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Title: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 05:02 AM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

Im going to stay on the ice all weekend.  Bringing a cot and cold weather bag.  Just curious whos done it and how it went!

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: VTMatt on Jan 18, 2016, 06:08 AM
Good thread here. I would be concerned about proper ventilation and heating if it's very cold.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bigstorm on Jan 18, 2016, 07:37 AM
I've stayed in a sleeper house on LOTW before, that was good time. Stayed plenty warm and didn't really work about ventilation much since those are super air tight
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: fish/hunt4ever on Jan 18, 2016, 07:44 AM
Some stay in their shanties all the time but the time I and the wife tried to stay in the shanty one night we did not have enough ventilation and the heating buddy would turn off with the low oxygen sensor.  Then we moved the shanty over on dry land and got a little ventilation going and it kept the heater going and then could sleep for a time.  Had my flip over to fish in this was the hub style we were sleeping in.  Just have a good floor or tarp below your bed to keep the warmth under you as well, I think this would have helped instead of the cold ice cooling everything off when the heater went out. Good luck I will stick to the camper on shore to stay warm and sleep in and the shanty to fish out of.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: RedShantyMi on Jan 18, 2016, 07:47 AM
Camped on the ice many times. We used a tent. Put down straw and covered it with a plastic tarp. We used comforted on the floor. Add a propane heater and u are all set. We found sleeping on the floor was warmer than cots
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 08:09 AM
I will be going this weekend to Champlain to do this.  Will be on the ice Saturday-Sunday.  Low of 9 is forecasted.  Bringing a cot and 0 degree mummy bag.  I have half inch thick interlocking foam mat for the floor.  Also bringing the otter to fish with.

Was wondering about the heat and ventilation.  I have a buddy heater but my friends have said sleep in the bag no heat.  I see some merit to doing that.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: vtbuckrulrss on Jan 18, 2016, 08:30 AM
Last I knew, there was a guy that rented shanty's equipped for spending the night on the ice in the Alburgh/Swanton area.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 08:42 AM
Last I knew, there was a guy that rented shanty's equipped for spending the night on the ice in the Alburgh/Swanton area.

Yes I know, however for funs sake we are not going that route.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: northernnyice on Jan 18, 2016, 08:44 AM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

Im going to stay on the ice all weekend.  Bringing a cot and cold weather bag.  Just curious whos done it and how it went!

Thanks guys.


We do it every year. We just did it this last weekend in fact, Jan 15-17... 8x8 insulated hub shelter. Cot would be great for 1 guy. Not so much for more, unless you had a bigger shelter. We use comfortable camp style fold out chairs to relax/catch some z's in... I never get good rest when we stay on the ice anyway.. 4 hrs on and off.. We keep the heat rolling on low with the vents cracked. Still alive after doing this a bunch of times. Bring extra socks, extra gloves, extra hat, anything that could get wet easily. The socks are big for me. Feet sweat, switch socks, nice and dry. The interlock mats arnt a bad idea, you will prob still end up with a wet sloppy mess if you run heat, it is almost inevitable..
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: SnoHam13 on Jan 18, 2016, 09:11 AM
vented heater is the only way Id go
might not wake up in the Am. other wise.
kinda like playing roulette [only have to be wrong once]

the old pop up was designed for over nighting
bunk on each side with a spearing hole in the middle
up off the ice with a insert to seal the spearing hole to the pop up
vented heater kept us warm all night/day,it was salvaged out of a apachie trailer

SnoHam13
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Yooperhoy on Jan 18, 2016, 09:24 AM
A buddy and I did this a few years back. The heater did turn off due to ventilation. You could see it by using a lighter, the lighter would stay lit until you brought it down to about 10 inches above the ice and then the flame would die.  As much as I didn't want the big side of the shanty against the wind it probably would have beneficial to have that much more air moving through.  We were using the clam 10 man shanty. I ended up using the fan on my hanging light on the back door of the shanty to see if I could pull some air through.  If you can put a small wood stove you would be better off. Also a piece of carpet under your cot will help keep the cold from coming in the bottom of the sleeping bag. Also keep hydrated we both got bad leg cramps, we had too much beer not enough water lol. Another quick trick we did was buy some space blankets and hung them up in our sleeping area to help hold the heat in and cold out. It seemed to help.
Hope this helped. Have fun, stay warm
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 09:31 AM
Great responses guys I appreciate it.  I am pretty sure I am going to sleep in the bag without heat.  If I sleep at all! The area we are fishing has eyes so I may jig all night.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: kevinmaine3 on Jan 18, 2016, 09:36 AM
I think I would sleep alot better with just a good bag than having the propane heater going.. I've slept in my shack alot, but it also has a woodstove.
Have fun!!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: staggerin on Jan 18, 2016, 09:42 AM
I've slept in my otter lodge. I used my big buddy on low setting, with the bottom of the door open and both vents. Plenty of o2 for me and the fire.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: DR.SPECKLER on Jan 18, 2016, 09:43 AM
maybe not this year but I plan on trying camping on ice now that I got a polarbird hub shanty that's fully insulated and has a floor.i don't sleep good anyway might as well be out on the ice for a full day  and night.im thinking cot, buddy heater with 20 lb tank with ventilation of course and a good sleeping bag.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 09:49 AM
Im bringing my xt650 but sadly its too small to sleep in!  I am going to rely on a cabelas 6x8 to sleep in.  Only time I had trouble keeping it warm in there was in -10 degrees.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lynng on Jan 18, 2016, 10:02 AM
You should read these two threads and buy a good CO detector.

http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=286299.msg2978608#msg2978608 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=286299.msg2978608#msg2978608)

http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=301624.msg3166862#msg3166862 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=301624.msg3166862#msg3166862)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Whopper Stopper on Jan 18, 2016, 11:08 AM
Excellent post lynng :thumbsup:

Thanks for sharing your findings. I hope everyone takes the time to read the links. Even if not for this trip, for anyone contemplating another outing utilizing a heater.

               WS
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 12:08 PM
You should read these two threads and buy a good CO detector.

http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=286299.msg2978608#msg2978608 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=286299.msg2978608#msg2978608)

http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=301624.msg3166862#msg3166862 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=301624.msg3166862#msg3166862)

Good reads but I am aware and decided that I wont be using heat while I sleep just a good ole cold weather bag for the reasons listed in those threads.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nightbird on Jan 18, 2016, 01:20 PM
A piece of Reflectix, or even a space blanket, under your bag makes a huge difference in warmth.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Jan 18, 2016, 01:57 PM
Yep, no heat. I'm an old mounteering guy and have bivouacked at -17F on top of a mountain. We carried everything in a backpack and no heat. Easy things to help you and this is from a NOLS course I took (National Outdoor Leadership School):

1: A closed cell air mattress like a Thermorest is lifesaving. Way better than a cot. We just slept on the snow using a quality closed cell foam air matress. Not a Coleman mattress- closed cell foam core.

2. Have a complete separate set of long underwear to sleep in. In my NOLS course they taught me to sleep in nothing more than long underwear, no matter how cold it is, and they are right. People make the mistake of putting on a bunch of clothes inside the bag and they either wake up drenched in sweat or the clothes take up all the air space in the bag and you can't heat it up. Insulation is all based on the same principle- trapped air. If you pack your sleeping bag with too much clothes you reduce the effectiveness of the insulation in your bag.

3. Change into EVERYTHING new right before bed. No matter how dry you think your clothes are, they aren't. Do everything strenuous you need to do for the night then change everything including socks. Again, sleep in nothing more than good, ploy/synthetic long underwear (I know, people don't understand this until you do it). Wear a warm hat to bed.

4. If you need to pee while in your sleeping bag, just get up and do it. Do not sit there resisting the need to get up. Having a bladder full of liquid reduces your core temp drastically and can actually make you sweat due to physical stress. Get it over with and get back to sleep.

5. Don't let anyone tell you to sleep with a big jug of hot water in your sleeping bag. I'm not even going to tear this one apart, JUST DON'T DO THAT. EVER.

I could go on, but I won't, those are the basics! Have fun!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 02:03 PM
Thanks Doctor Gee, one of my fishing buddys Ctown has done the NOLS course...your post is most appreciated!  (I will updaye this thread with the good bad and ugly from our trip)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Jan 18, 2016, 02:08 PM
Looking forward to the good the bad and the ugly!  I want to do an overnight later in the season.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: adkRoy on Jan 18, 2016, 02:12 PM
One thing you are definitely going to want to do that I have not seen mentioned is set up a bunch of reflectors or some lanterns outside the shanty so you don't get run over by snowmobilers.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Jan 18, 2016, 02:20 PM
Does anyone know the legality of sleeping in a portable shanty overnight? It's legal in NH, right?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 02:37 PM
One thing you are definitely going to want to do that I have not seen mentioned is set up a bunch of reflectors or some lanterns outside the shanty so you don't get run over by snowmobilers.

The spot we are fishing if they hit us they are going to die either going though the alburg channel (ice may still be thin) and or hit the bridge!  However thats a good point and I will mark our site effectively.

As far as the legality goes I do not care...if it were illegal I would still do it...don't need the big man holding me down in that regard.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 18, 2016, 04:08 PM
I say if'n yer gonna camp on the ice................... .................go big or go home!!!!  ;D
Our camp on this trip was 100 miles from town by snowmobile on the East arm of Great Slave Lake.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/DRIFTER_016/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3270012.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DRIFTER_016/media/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3270012.jpg.html)

The pop up was the washroom. :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/DRIFTER_016/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3280017.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DRIFTER_016/media/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3280017.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/DRIFTER_016/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3280021.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DRIFTER_016/media/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3280021.jpg.html)

All the comforts of home including the wood stove.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/DRIFTER_016/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3280022.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DRIFTER_016/media/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3280022.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/DRIFTER_016/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3290035.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DRIFTER_016/media/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3290035.jpg.html)

Fishin' was OK too!!!  @)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/DRIFTER_016/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3300046.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DRIFTER_016/media/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3300046.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/DRIFTER_016/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3310065.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/DRIFTER_016/media/Ice%20Fishing/East%20Arm%202010/P3310065.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 04:26 PM
Man!  I need to camp with you guys!  Well done!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jammer icecube on Jan 18, 2016, 04:29 PM
Drifter you win!!!! Jon have fun and be safe......get on fish.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 05:40 PM
Drifter you win!!!! Jon have fun and be safe......get on fish.

Thanks man, I am going to try on both fronts.  I look forward to sharing both the mistakes and successes!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: sra61 on Jan 18, 2016, 06:01 PM
I have a 6x12 wheelhouse and put a CO detector in and left the big buddy on medium for a couple of hours to see if the detector would go off, and it never did. I have a lot better feeling about it this year with the detector in there.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 18, 2016, 07:36 PM
Based off everyones valuable advice we've procured the CO detectors anyways.  I still don't plan on using heat but there are days where I do all day so at least now I'll be safe. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Whopper Stopper on Jan 18, 2016, 08:08 PM
Based off everyones valuable advice we've procured the CO detectors anyways.  I still don't plan on using heat but there are days where I do all day so at least now I'll be safe.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Glad to hear it.

      WS
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Dean Nelson on Jan 18, 2016, 09:26 PM
Well if we needed a reminder on this subject here you go!

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/2016/01/18/fisherman-dead-suspected-carbon-monoxide-poisoning/78970314/  (http://www.kare11.com/story/news/2016/01/18/fisherman-dead-suspected-carbon-monoxide-poisoning/78970314/)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: burck17 on Jan 18, 2016, 09:38 PM
These topics come up a lot and I always recommend taking the time to shovel a large snow wall up wind to serve as a wind block... It will help you significantly. However if you don't have snow it won't help obviously
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: sra61 on Jan 18, 2016, 10:01 PM
Based off everyones valuable advice we've procured the CO detectors anyways.  I still don't plan on using heat but there are days where I do all day so at least now I'll be safe.
I think I paid $15 for mine at Home Depot! Pretty cheap insurance I think.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 19, 2016, 09:15 AM
I think I paid $15 for mine at Home Depot! Pretty cheap insurance I think.

Ya it is...I spend enough time in the shanty to want to bring one all the time.   I am going to use velcro to mount ine to my otter, the other will sit in a pocket of the hub shanty.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: panfishman13 on Jan 19, 2016, 11:17 AM
i've slept out in a hub shanty a couple of times, it's really quite easy and comfortable when you treat it like sleeping in a snow shelter.

1. you're gonna want a tarp or flooring of some sort to put your stuff on so it doesn't get soaked.

2. for sleeping gear, you're going to want a cot, a sub-zero sleeping bag and at least one blanket, and a thick foam camping pad. the cot gets you up off the ice, which will keep you much warmer, the heavy pad insulates your body from the cold air underneath the cot, and the sub-zero bag and blanket should be self-explanatory. bring extra blankets if you think you'll need them.

3. a heater and a lantern. in most decent hub shanties, a lantern is more than enough to keep you warm while fishing. but if you want to stay warm all night, you're going to want the heater. just have the lantern on the entire time you're awake (be sure to properly ventilate, open windows a little bit, etc.) but turn on the heater any time you get cold, as well as for about a half hour before you go to sleep. don't try and leave the heater running while you're sleeping, it's just asking for trouble. (trust me, you'll stay warm enough with section 2)

4. milk crates or 5 gallon buckets. this is all about organization. it's no fun to sleep on the ice if your stuff is scattered all over the floor of the shelter and you can't find it. put the lantern on an upturned bucket, and the heater on the floor next to it. use the milk crate as a bedside table that you can shift under the cot if need be. keep your flashlight, pliers, lighter, and anything else you might make use of there.

5. if you intend to fish in your shelter before you sleep (i don't know why anyone wouldn't) you're going to want a board or two to cover the holes in the ice while you sleep. in the morning, this will also provide you with a nice surface to set a small campstove on to cook breakfast.

6. get set up long before dark. setting up camp in the dark is nothing less than tedious work, even more so when it's cold.

7. disposable hand warmers. put a couple of the jumbo ones in the foot of your sleeping bag, you won't get cold feet.

8. a hand towel. staying dry is key to staying warm, a towel to dry your hands on on is absolutely indispensible.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ethoma1 on Jan 19, 2016, 11:22 AM
I just did what you're talking about, but only 1 night.  Used my kid's foam floor mats (interlocking) instead of the cot.  I also had a Clam Bigfoot 4000, so I could lay along one wall.  I was on Red Lake in northern MN, heavy winds and deep cold.  But, the shelter and a buddy heater kept me comfortable the whole time!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 19, 2016, 12:16 PM
Thanks for the continued input guys, I am sure many are getting some valuable insight from this thread!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 19, 2016, 02:28 PM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

I'm going to stay on the ice all weekend.  Bringing a cot and cold weather bag.  Just curious who's done it and how it went!

Thanks guys.

We did our first-ever overnight on Dec 28-29, at Henry's Lake in Island Park, ID.  I went with IS member ammondude, who is my adult son.

We arrived at about 1:00 p.m. and after checking out two areas, we headed to our selected area to set up camp.  Upon arrival, the temp was about 6 degrees F with winds light and variable.

For our first attempt, we chose a location was a quick snowmobile ride to a restroom and/or the SUV.  After the initial unload, it took four more shuttle runs with the Jet Sled Jr. to get all our equipment onto the ice.

We planned to sleep and fish in our Eskimo QF6.  Here's our camp:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL15A.jpg)

In spite of the decent snow load on the ice (and thus potential for overflow), we drilled three holes in a corner of the shelter, two for jigging and one for the camera.

For sleeping, we were trying out a brand new set of Cam-O-Cot bunk beds, size L.  Yes, that's a bunk bed cot, purchased for this very purpose.

(http://new3.discobed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/3001BO-3-300x194.jpg)

On my level of the cot was a Thermarest Camp Rest mattress, a three-inch urethane foam pad, a zero-degree cotton duck bag, and a zero-degree mummy bag.  Ammondude had the same setup, but his Thermarest was an original, his mummy was 20-degree, and he added a fleece liner.  I used a full-size pillow and he used a camping pillow.

With camp set up, our attention turned to fishing and dinner.  Smoked beef brisket and sauce reheated in a freezer bag, in a pot of water over the Sterno stove, was placed on some onion rolls for a substantial main course that worked out very well.  Then some Tang mixed into the hot water for a beverage.

Had some fun jigging and at about 9:30 p.m. the ammondude ices this 3 lb. 15 oz. cutt:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL15F.jpg)

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL15C.jpg)

A four pound fish flopping around in tight quarters makes for some excellent pandemonium!  In the pic above you can see the bunk beds in the background waiting for us.

As the sun had gone down a breeze had kicked up to about 10 mph.  With the eventual temp that night about -10F, that is a -30F windchill.   Our heat source was a Mr. Heater portable buddy.  In the pic with the cutt you can see a small patch of defrosted shelter above the heater.  Until the next afternoon, that was as much of the shelter as got defrosted.  The rest just continually built up a solid layer of frost. 

At one point that evening we each took a turn to warm up our toes at the heater.  It was a real life saver.  Should have put some Toasti-Toes on to begin with.  We managed our body temp well, but agreed that a little more heat would have been nice, especially in case of emergency.

At bedtime, we each made sure that our stomach was full and our bladder was empty.  We changed into completely new clothing to go to bed: Underwear, jammies, sweats, socks, beanie, scarf.  Even though we had a CO detector, etc. we decided to use the heater only if needed.  We turned it off and went to bed.  It never came back on all night.

We had left two in-shelter rigs in the water at bedtime.  At 3:30 a.m. a fish hit one of our rigs and the ammondude woke me up but it was gone and we never figured out which one it had bitten.  Other than that interruption, I slept very well for about 8 hours.  I can't stay up all night like some of you guys and still drive home safely.

The alarm went off about 7:00.  There we are at a trophy trout fishery, on the ice, with the auger only feet away, and I was so warm it still took me 15 minutes to get out of bed.  At -10F, getting dressed in front of the heater was a real pleasure.  And we didn't burn any clothing.

Most of the food was in an Igloo Island Breeze cooler with a 2 liter bottle of water.  Cold breakfast included boiled eggs, grilled ham, Fruision drinks, etc.   Nothing was frozen that had been in the cooler.  Everything was frozen that didn't fit into the cooler.

A slow fishing day produced a four pound brookie:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL15E.jpg)

and another nice cutt:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL15D.jpg)

It's like 3 degrees F but the ammondude peels off layers to get a good Rapala pic.   ;D

Lunch was stew from the Sterno and hearty bread.

When the shelter warmed up in the afternoon, it was quite the indoor rainstorm.  The fishing towels were a little outsized by the rain.  This would have been problematic if we were staying a second night.

After running the heater about 8 hours total, the max reading on the CO detector was still ZERO PPM.  Amazing.

By 4:00 p.m. we had made four more shuttle runs, were packed up and ready to head home, at 6 deg F:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL15G.jpg)

Now to your questions.

Did Right:

Sleeping system was A+.  Down to -10F and no need for the heater.  We both got a little extra warm by morning.
Snowmobile was a must.
Food was great.
Cooler with 2L water in it kept stuff from freezing.
Good old Thermos brand thermos kept water unfrozen the whole time.
Harbor freight cheap interlocking floor panels were AWESOME.  Especially for changing clothes.
Glad we had the CO detector.
We love our Cabela's Ice Angler and Guidewear Extreme clothing.

To do Better Next Time

Take two snow machines.  More gear per trip and a backup plan in an emergency.  We'll be further from the road next time.
More cargo space.  The selected solution is Jet Sled XL with cover and HD hitch, x2.  Watching end-of-season sales.
More cooler space.  A second Igloo has been purchased.
More heat capability.  Big Buddy heater and 11-lb cylinder are on the way.
Bunk bed extensions already purchased (more space between the bunks).  The ammondude couldn't even roll over in the night without bumping the old man on top.  They should be standard equipment on those beds.  Don't buy a set without them.
Bigger wipe-the-wall towels.  Not engaging in the insulated vs. not discussion here.  Suffice it to say that we choose 2 lbs. of towel over 15 lbs of insulation.
Still discussing at-the-camp restroom options.  Not engaging in that discussion here, either.

Our camp was not mobile.  I know Prospector and others have excellent mobile overnight setups, but this is a good method for us.

YMMV.  Ammondude might have additional input.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bowski76 on Jan 19, 2016, 02:43 PM
Wow! Looks like a lot of fun AND a lot of work!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jon ny on Jan 19, 2016, 04:45 PM
Wish I saw this earlier from you.  Did a weekend on Carmi.  It was probably the most fun trip I ever did.  Made up for the slow fishing.  The one thing I did wrong was I didn't have a heater at the time.  It sure was cold climbing from sleeping bag into the ice suit.  Oh, and I used one of those fold in half clam shelters.  I forget the model.  But it was about 6" short for my legs and the rubber seam from where it folded in half was in my back all night.

I'll send pics if I can find them.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: prospector on Jan 19, 2016, 05:09 PM
Best post ever!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Crane Man on Jan 19, 2016, 05:48 PM
Great story new to the sport sounds like something I would like
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Loso015 on Jan 19, 2016, 06:11 PM
Awesome. Probably have me going no heat at night now. And I was questioning a cooler...but not anymore!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: perch bait on Jan 19, 2016, 06:51 PM
Awesome!! I never would've thought of sleeping in a Pop-Up!! Awesome story.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 19, 2016, 07:18 PM
Guys again much appreciation for the input...soaking it all in.

FG Steve outstanding post, it takes time to put a post together like that, thank you!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: curt69 on Jan 19, 2016, 07:36 PM
Great report , thanks for sharing . There is a good video on youtube . Henry's Lake 2015 December 26 .
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ItWasThiiiiisBig on Jan 19, 2016, 07:39 PM
I have never been out on the ice overnight. I bet it would be fun tho
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 20, 2016, 07:10 AM
Great report , thanks for sharing . There is a good video on youtube . Henry's Lake 2015 December 26 .

Will check it out, thanks.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FlamDragger on Jan 20, 2016, 02:54 PM
Excellent report!  I think that was one of the better posts I've read here.  I learned alot! Thanks!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: waltman on Jan 20, 2016, 03:02 PM
great post your guys rock
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: wyogator on Jan 20, 2016, 07:20 PM
I tried this in a Quickfish 6 during a tournament last year.  I slept on a cot with a 0 degree bag and a Thermarest pad.  I had a portable buddy heater with good ventilation.  The heater never did get that hub warm enough,  although it was okay once I was in my bag.  I woke up in the middle of the night with a massive headache.  The heater was out and everything was covered in frost.  I grabbed my bag and pillow, hiked 300 yards to the SUV and slept in it while turning the engine on and off all night for heat.  The next morning the headache was worse and I was throwing up.  I just left everything on the lake, drove home and went to bed.  I slept all day, drove back to the lake that night to pull my tipups and retrieve my gear.  It had snowed that day and I could barely pull the Otter sled off of the ice, not to mention that I was still sick, weak and tired.  needless to say, I had a few walleye on the tipups, but didn't win anything.  I will never do that again, unless it is warmer and I don't need a heater, or I have a set up with a vented heater.  Stay safe!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 20, 2016, 07:34 PM
Man that sounds awefully like the symptoms of CO poisoning to a T.  Glad you are ok. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: wyogator on Jan 20, 2016, 07:58 PM
I am pretty sure it was co poisoning, Iowa.  At first I thought it may have been the flu.  Thank God for the low oxygen shut off.  I just don't understand how I got sick before it shut off.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ammondude on Jan 20, 2016, 11:04 PM
YMMV.  Ammondude might have additional input.

I can confirm fgsteve's post. That was like the best trip ever... period.

Can't wait to sleep on the ice again.
I really appreicated the aqua vu on this trip.  Jigging into the night on the IR display was so much fun. It was totally amazing to see big fish go for the jig, in black and white.
It was kind of hard to sleep after that late night bite though. Sure got my attention! :P
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 21, 2016, 04:13 AM
I am pretty sure it was co poisoning, Iowa.  At first I thought it may have been the flu.  Thank God for the low oxygen shut off.  I just don't understand how I got sick before it shut off.

Because it is a low 02 shut of not a CO shut of.  2 different things as the fine folks pointed out in the first pages of this thread.  I hadn't thought about that myself, but thankfully have not had the experience you did. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Loso015 on Jan 22, 2016, 08:51 AM
With the cooler..I am assuming you put no ice in..just room temp water and the cold items?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: BaitBucket on Jan 22, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jon. i did an overnight on the ice last season. We had a small heater going all night as well. I had the vents open and left one of the side doors partially unzipped. Everything went fine, but i wont lie, i had that thought in the back of my mind the whole time. Which doesnt make sleeping any easier.

Another thing to consider, could having a few guys sleeping in a small pop up huffing O2 all night pose a similar problem? Even with vents?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 22, 2016, 10:37 AM
With the cooler..I am assuming you put no ice in..just room temp water and the cold items?

Correct.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 22, 2016, 10:41 AM
With the cooler..I am assuming you put no ice in..just room temp water and the cold items?

Correct.

x2
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: 800stealth on Jan 22, 2016, 11:02 AM
I will be going this weekend to Champlain to do this.  Will be on the ice Saturday-Sunday.  Low of 9 is forecasted.  Bringing a cot and 0 degree mummy bag.  I have half inch thick interlocking foam mat for the floor.  Also bringing the otter to fish with.

Was wondering about the heat and ventilation.  I have a buddy heater but my friends have said sleep in the bag no heat.  I see some merit to doing that.

I've camped a few times using a cot and good sleeping bag in my DLX 4000... I'm leaning towards what your buddy recommended... What I do is get it hot in the shack then kill the heat right before you turn in, a good bag will keep you warm. If you wake up cold, fire the heater and jig for 10 minutes until its warm then kill the heat and back to sleep. If you want to burn the heater all night get a good co detector and do a test run letting the heat run all day in your yard or something to see if 6-7 hours of heat going without opening the doors will set off the detector. Or get a dog... I stuff my beagle down to the foot of my sleeping bag and she puts off enough heat to keep both of us warm lol. Good luck up there, be safe.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: 800stealth on Jan 22, 2016, 11:08 AM
Does anyone know the legality of sleeping in a portable shanty overnight? It's legal in NH, right?

If it isn't the CO that checked to see if I was still alive at 5:00 in the morning on Hubbard didn't say anything about it...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 22, 2016, 11:20 AM
Another thing to consider, could having a few guys sleeping in a small pop up huffing O2 all night pose a similar problem? Even with vents?

Using the calculations here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-long-can-one-live-in-a-sealed-room.685796/ (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-long-can-one-live-in-a-sealed-room.685796/)

I figure two guys in a space roughly the size of my QF6 could last .6 days if it were completely sealed, which it is not.  At that point, I determined that it is not significant concern for me.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 22, 2016, 11:22 AM
And this comment is overdue.

Drifter, you guys ROCK.  I would love to be on one of your trips.  Amazing.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: BaitBucket on Jan 22, 2016, 12:22 PM
Using the calculations here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-long-can-one-live-in-a-sealed-room.685796/ (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-long-can-one-live-in-a-sealed-room.685796/)

I figure two guys in a space roughly the size of my QF6 could last .6 days if it were completely sealed, which it is not.  At that point, I determined that it is not significant concern for me.

This is based of the entire area filling with carbon dioxide. Since carbon dioxide is heavier than oxygen you would be more susceptible to it when laying on a cot or ground in a sleeping bag. As you wouldn't need a full hub of carbon dioxide, just the first couple feet to be lethal.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 22, 2016, 12:48 PM
This is based of the entire area filling with carbon dioxide.

I didn't read it that way, "Let's take 30,000 ppm (3% of room air) as our death point, although obviously that's arbitrary...."

Although that would mean filling the entire space up to 3%.  I still think two dudes with the vents open and heater off won't use up all the O2.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 22, 2016, 01:27 PM
Well gents I am half a grand lighter in the pocket but I grabbed all the items I need.

0 degree bag, cot, closed cell foam sleeping mat, base layer to sleep in with zero cotton, ect ect ect.

Again, I will not be running heat while I sleep, -2 for a low so there would be way too much condensation if I run the heater all night.

We have 2 CO detectors per shanty, one for sleeping level and one for the ceiling should heat be absolutely nessecary.  (if it is with the cost of cold weather crap I bought I will be pissed)

All my stuff is ready to get packed up...I probably wont sleep Saturday night as we are going to pull the traps and jig for eyes in the otter away from camp. 

Oh and although 2 of us are fishing we are staying in 2 different hub shelters....I will snore louder than the ice settling!

Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 22, 2016, 01:55 PM
lowaccord, good luck!  We will eagerly await your report and see just how much YMMV.  Safe travels, warm and safe sleep, and tight lines!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Jan 22, 2016, 02:10 PM
Yes, update please! BRING A CAMERA!!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 22, 2016, 02:16 PM
I will have my S5 with me and have service most of the time (sometimes it will data roam because of the proximity to Canada) Stay tuned. Also please accept sincere thank you to all who took a minute to respond, I appreciate the effort to help me ensure this doesnt suck!

Also re reading the posts I noticed in a weeks time the low forecast went from 9 above to -2.  Light winds though!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: BaitBucket on Jan 22, 2016, 08:05 PM
Good luck man, be safe.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: wyogator on Jan 22, 2016, 08:27 PM
Iowa, this may be too late, since it is Fri. night and you are probably on your way to the lake, but if you can exchange that 0 degree bag for a -20, you will be a lot warmer.  I used a 0 last year with a heater.  I totally agree with you in not using heat though.  I may buy a warmer bag and try it without heat.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 23, 2016, 12:18 AM
Thanks for the heads up but the 0 degree will be fine I dont like being to warm when I sleep.  We leave shortly.  It took a few hours to get the jeep packed!!!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: beeverfishing on Jan 23, 2016, 05:45 PM
Looking forward to hearing about your trip.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 23, 2016, 07:38 PM
So far so good guys...im jigging in the shanty now, heat on low running a fan amd using co detector.  I havent slept since friday am so its almost time to retire for the night.  The pike are being fickel...maybe tomorrow will be better.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: beerduck on Jan 25, 2016, 06:18 PM
ive been ice camping for 15 years we use an eskimo 9416 2 big buddys hooked to a 40 lb tank never an issue with a little ventilation used co detector not a problem sleep with heat everytime  im still here the key is fresh air let it in
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: MT-Ed on Jan 25, 2016, 11:23 PM
So much concern over CO and CO2.......but I'd be more concerned with the methane production during the night.......if you get my jest?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 26, 2016, 09:38 AM
So much concern over CO and CO2.......but I'd be more concerned with the methane production during the night.......if you get my jest?

That's easy to fix!!!
Leave the PBR and pickled eggs @ home!!!!!!    :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Lavman on Jan 26, 2016, 11:41 AM
That's easy to fix!!!
Leave the PBR and pickled eggs @ home!!!!!!    :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

What fun is THAT!? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Lavman on Jan 26, 2016, 11:42 AM
Iowa: how did it go? You still kickin'?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ICEHOLE on Jan 26, 2016, 03:12 PM
and is it Iowaccord or is it Low Accord? Low Accord makes more since....was confused on this thread for a bit trying to figure out who Iowa is
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 26, 2016, 03:48 PM
and is it Iowaccord or is it Low Accord? Low Accord makes more since....was confused on this thread for a bit trying to figure out who Iowa is

I had the same confusion.  Pasting the username into a word processor and changing fonts convinced me that it starts with an "L."

And the question remains how things worked out for lowaccord.  We're eager to hear!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: MT-Ed on Jan 26, 2016, 04:38 PM
Methane..............R .I.P.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 26, 2016, 05:02 PM
Methane..............R.I.P.

OK you made me laugh.

Actually, when training Scouters and Boy Scouts for Winter camping, we promote the consumption of "greasy, gassy food" for dinner.  Best way to stoke the furnace!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 26, 2016, 07:07 PM
Hey guys!  Yes I made it, yes it is Low Accord.  I will update with pics after I fix my wasted photobucket account.

Meantime I made a big mistake...a zero degree bad doesnt work so well if you dont sinch it up around you tight (I have a square bag not a mummy)  It got down to -6 but I was passed out from 930 to 330am before I woke up so not bad at all.

Second mistake...in my being anal I picked a bare spot on the ice so my foam floor would be level and nice....well no snow on he shanty skirt and a breeze of 5-10 at -6 made things a bit cold.  I went through 4lbs or so of propane that night!  Getting ready in the morning sucked! 

More details to come! 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: adkRoy on Jan 26, 2016, 07:11 PM
you live and learn. Make a list of things to remember so next time you will be better prepared.  ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: BLUJBURD on Jan 26, 2016, 07:51 PM
If winter camping is your thing do yourself a favor just like good boots a great sleeping bag is necessary.  Friends and I have done some late winter, early spring steelhead camping trips (tents). Buying a -20° mummy sleeping bag and a decent sleeping pad to place on the cot have made a huge difference in sleep quality.  Don't really like the tight confines of a mummy, but I dislike the cold seeping down into any opening of a rectangular bag. No heater used except in the morning to knock the chill out to change. I know the mats should help. I just know I have always had reservation using a heater while I sleep. But that's just me.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: prosty41 on Jan 26, 2016, 09:31 PM
We are talking about an overnight trip this year but without the camping. My tentative plan is to get on the ice about 3pm... Haul out and find the spot then set up camp and get everything locked down for the evening. Once that's done we plan to stay up all night and fish till about 10am the next morning. We take two 20lb propane bottles and two heaters for the six sided Eskimo Fatfish hut, plenty of light, the grill, and were even talking about hauling out a deep fat frier.  Either way we will grill up some rib eyes on the ice.

My logic for those involved was: we stay up all night and work regularly .. Certainly we can stay up all night and fish.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 26, 2016, 10:02 PM
Prosty41, one of the reasons it was easy to sleep is that I hadn't gotten any from Friday morning until 9:30 Saturday night.  Between work, loading the gear and a desire to get bait at 6am there was no time for sleep Friday night.  We left at 130 and took the 4.5 hr drive up.  I drank 8 gallons of redbull...

Pics soon, photobucket app sucks...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: prosty41 on Jan 26, 2016, 10:10 PM
No no I get it. I just mean our trip will be without sleep on purpose. One thing I wonder.. Why is everyone concerned about proper ventilation at night while running a propane heater but not during the day? I always keep my shanty cents open anyway
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 26, 2016, 10:42 PM
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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: mr.clean on Jan 27, 2016, 02:31 AM
Lowaccord66 glad you had a safe trip thank you for posting the photos. I have a question for you what is the purpose of using a car type battery wired to a power inverter and the inverter wired to the flasher. Due you get a longer run time on the flasher using this system then you would using the battery that comes with your flasher.
  Here is a link to a web site for people who winter camp. Most of the people on this site use the hot tent method with a small wood burning stove in the tent. You may find some useful information on this web site. Also congratulations on catching the yellow perch and pike.
Steve               
                       www.wintertrekking.com (http://www.wintertrekking.com)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 27, 2016, 04:54 AM
We used the battery to charge multiple electrical items.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: pyro261 on Jan 27, 2016, 09:22 AM
I've been wanting to camp out on the ice for a couple years now. 

Anyone have any suggestions as to how I might be able to hang a hammock on the ice? ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 27, 2016, 01:23 PM
Anyone have any suggestions as to how I might be able to hang a hammock on the ice? ;D

Dude, lots of hammock stands out there, both commercial and DIY.  Many of them would fit in a larger hut...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: IFF on Jan 27, 2016, 01:34 PM
I've been wanting to camp out on the ice for a couple years now. 

Anyone have any suggestions as to how I might be able to hang a hammock on the ice? ;D

Might be a good stand alone thread ?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: POLARCAP on Jan 27, 2016, 03:29 PM
For those that put a floor down overnight: is there a problem with the floor freezing to the ice? or is the insulation sufficient despite splashing water and condensation. Thanks.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 27, 2016, 06:27 PM
For those that put a floor down overnight: is there a problem with the floor freezing to the ice? or is the insulation sufficient despite splashing water and condensation. Thanks.

We didn't cover the entire floor, only a section in front of the bunks where we changed clothes or warmed toes.  No freezing problems for us.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: POLARCAP on Jan 27, 2016, 07:59 PM
We didn't cover the entire floor, only a section in front of the bunks where we changed clothes or warmed toes.  No freezing problems for us.

Thanks. When we had a rubber mat and a little overflow it froze solid.  It took forever to liberate with the blade of a snow shovel. I'd like to try the foam pad.  :tipup:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Jan 28, 2016, 01:42 AM
I highly recommend the Polar Bird shelters for this.  We bought two this year and plan on using them in place of our old double hub.  These have a floor and seem to bridge the gap for us.  We camp on the ice in hub shelters to save money on lodging.  Its extremely effective when done safely.  The Polar Bird shelters have a small port hole near the bottom for venting all the bad gases, plus you can run your generator cord and propane hose through it.  They are a sponsor on this site and seem to be very responsive.  I would check them out. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 28, 2016, 09:27 AM
Got to saw, the interlocking foam mats worked great in conjunction with my cabelas popup...I personally have no need to investigate another shelter!

(We are going to do this trip again)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: river_scum on Jan 28, 2016, 10:05 PM
we used to winter camp.  didnt mess with heaters in the tents though.  just get in your bag and remove cloths.  put cloths on before you get out of the bag in morning. its not really that bad till it gets in the teens. i wouldnt do it these days though. lol a lot wimpier now than i was in my 20s.  fun times fun times

your best buddy at night is an empty 2 liter with a cap. ;D  amazing how warm a bottle of used beer is in a sleeping bag.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Jan 28, 2016, 11:07 PM
we used to winter camp.  didnt mess with heaters in the tents though.  just get in your bag and remove cloths.  put cloths on before you get out of the bag in morning. its not really that bad till it gets in the teens. i wouldnt do it these days though. lol a lot wimpier now than i was in my 20s.  fun times fun times

your best buddy at night is an empty 2 liter with a cap. ;D  amazing how warm a bottle of used beer is in a sleeping bag.

hahaha, just dont spill any.   ::)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: BLUJBURD on Jan 29, 2016, 06:17 PM
we used to winter camp.  didnt mess with heaters in the tents though.  just get in your bag and remove cloths.  put cloths on before you get out of the bag in morning. its not really that bad till it gets in the teens. i wouldnt do it these days though. lol a lot wimpier now than i was in my 20s.  fun times fun times

your best buddy at night is an empty 2 liter with a cap. ;D  amazing how warm a bottle of used beer is in a sleeping bag.

So ducking true however Gatorade bottles have a little more room to dispense in.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Feb 02, 2016, 04:04 AM
+1, what he said.  ;)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ZachariahB on Feb 02, 2016, 05:41 PM
I got a polar bird 3 T with an insulated floor.  It makes camping on ice totally comfortable.  It also has vents so heater stays on.  Add an air mattress and a zero degree bag, and I was totally comfortable.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Feb 02, 2016, 07:04 PM
I got a polar bird 3 T with an insulated floor.  It makes camping on ice totally comfortable.  It also has vents so heater stays on.  Add an air mattress and a zero degree bag, and I was totally comfortable.

My cleats would destroy that floor in a few steps...the interlocking garage mats are a life saver...and I didnt have to buy a new shanty either!  Pull up one or two to jig and then back in place when done
...works perfect!

Ill be camping on ice again in 2 weeks or so...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Raquettedacker on Feb 02, 2016, 08:19 PM
Go buy a CO2 detector and put it in your sleeping quarters...   ;)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Feb 04, 2016, 03:19 AM
I got a polar bird 3 T with an insulated floor.  It makes camping on ice totally comfortable.  It also has vents so heater stays on.  Add an air mattress and a zero degree bag, and I was totally comfortable.

I have the 3T and now the 4T and typically camp on the ice when i can to save $ on lodging when traveling the state for ice.  I love all the features of the polar birds and i dont have to haul heavy mats in my sled anymore.  I use a zero gravity cot and a military ECWS sleeping bag.  i run my quiet honda generator for charging things and led lights then a big buddy heater for warmth with extension cord and propane lines running through the little port in the bottom of the tent so i dont have to leave the door/zipper open and then i vent the windows at the top.  Its perfect!  when sleeping i run two tip ups with alarms inside the shelter so i can keep fishing.  ;)  Works great for me, but im sure each person has their own preference of products and what not. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Feb 04, 2016, 03:22 AM
My cleats would destroy that floor in a few steps...the interlocking garage mats are a life saver...and I didnt have to buy a new shanty either!  Pull up one or two to jig and then back in place when done
...works perfect!

Ill be camping on ice again in 2 weeks or so...

I have not had an issue with the cleats i use, but im sure if people prefer the aggressive style cleats then that would most certainly damage the floor.  I have guys in and out of my shelter with various styles of cleats, but i dont stop them to look.  I have no tears or rips to date...  The mats worked great for me for many years, but i was ready for a new shelter and i liked the weight trade off with the direction i went. 

Its good to hear more guys are staying out on the ice, im typically the only one on the lakes i fish.  we should really have our own club.  :)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Ice Surveyor on Feb 10, 2016, 05:57 PM
I just got back from an overnight stay out on the ice.  I was in my new Polar Bird 4T hub style shanty.  2 guys fishing, plan was to stay up all night and give 'er heck.  Well, I couldn't take it any more, and crashed around 2am.  I used a thermarest pad, my so-so sleeping bag, some base layers from Cabelas, and a pillow.  We had a Mr. Heater in the shack with us, kept it on low.  The wind was blowing a good 15-20 mph the whole time we were there, and the temps started at 20° and ended at 7° when the sun came up.   The Polar Bird did an amazing job of keeping us warm and out of the wind.  The only problem we had was bringing new snow into the tent after checking the tip ups.  Next time I will bring a beach towel to keep the floor dry.  These were about as bad of conditions I ever want to be in, but it worked out well.  I did buy a CO detector as well, and it never went off.  Picture of the morning sun.

(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa429/trophygametags/Polar%20bird%20in%20action_zpsdwnr6w05.jpg) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/trophygametags/media/Polar%20bird%20in%20action_zpsdwnr6w05.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Feb 10, 2016, 07:20 PM
I stayed on Champlain last weekend as well.  Saturday night into Sunday.  I made adjustments...and I slept hard!  I had trouble getting up Sunday to get more bait.  Low of 27 was much easier to handle than -6.  So I used no heat which worked fine.  I can't wait to get a multi night trip in during last ice.  That should be awesome.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Feb 10, 2016, 11:42 PM
I just got back from an overnight stay out on the ice.  I was in my new Polar Bird 4T hub style shanty.  2 guys fishing, plan was to stay up all night and give 'er heck.  Well, I couldn't take it any more, and crashed around 2am.  I used a thermarest pad, my so-so sleeping bag, some base layers from Cabelas, and a pillow.  We had a Mr. Heater in the shack with us, kept it on low.  The wind was blowing a good 15-20 mph the whole time we were there, and the temps started at 20° and ended at 7° when the sun came up.   The Polar Bird did an amazing job of keeping us warm and out of the wind.  The only problem we had was bringing new snow into the tent after checking the tip ups.  Next time I will bring a beach towel to keep the floor dry.  These were about as bad of conditions I ever want to be in, but it worked out well.  I did buy a CO detector as well, and it never went off.  Picture of the morning sun.

(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa429/trophygametags/Polar%20bird%20in%20action_zpsdwnr6w05.jpg) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/trophygametags/media/Polar%20bird%20in%20action_zpsdwnr6w05.jpg.html)

Just use a cot if you can spare the extra weight.  Keeps you off the floor.  The floor can get wet, naturally, but it beats the ice any day!  I will be staying on the ice this weekend.  Cant wait! 

I stayed on Champlain last weekend as well.  Saturday night into Sunday.  I made adjustments...and I slept hard!  I had trouble getting up Sunday to get more bait.  Low of 27 was much easier to handle than -6.  So I used no heat which worked fine.  I can't wait to get a multi night trip in during last ice.  That should be awesome.

I too want a multiple night trip before ice out.  I seem to sleep better out there.  lol
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: PolarBird on Nov 17, 2016, 11:52 PM
I just got back from an overnight stay out on the ice.  I was in my new Polar Bird 4T hub style shanty.  2 guys fishing, plan was to stay up all night and give 'er heck.  Well, I couldn't take it any more, and crashed around 2am.  I used a thermarest pad, my so-so sleeping bag, some base layers from Cabelas, and a pillow.  We had a Mr. Heater in the shack with us, kept it on low.  The wind was blowing a good 15-20 mph the whole time we were there, and the temps started at 20° and ended at 7° when the sun came up.   The Polar Bird did an amazing job of keeping us warm and out of the wind.  The only problem we had was bringing new snow into the tent after checking the tip ups.  Next time I will bring a beach towel to keep the floor dry.  These were about as bad of conditions I ever want to be in, but it worked out well.  I did buy a CO detector as well, and it never went off.  Picture of the morning sun.

(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa429/trophygametags/Polar%20bird%20in%20action_zpsdwnr6w05.jpg) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/trophygametags/media/Polar%20bird%20in%20action_zpsdwnr6w05.jpg.html)

Wow, Great post and cool story.  Thank you for sharing and for the pics.  :)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: MT_mulies on Nov 21, 2016, 11:46 AM
I have a buddy that does this every year in January at the derby we go to. He Has a wall tent that doesn't have a floor. He just uses ice screws to anchor it down. Then he whips out the wood stove and lights a fire in it. His wall tent is super warm and by the end of the night he has a nice little stream running out of his tent haha. The ice is about 3-4 feet deep. He gets the cots out and then wraps his fishing line around his finger so if a fish bites he doesn't miss it.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: PolarBird on Nov 23, 2016, 06:47 PM
I have a buddy that does this every year in January at the derby we go to. He Has a wall tent that doesn't have a floor. He just uses ice screws to anchor it down. Then he whips out the wood stove and lights a fire in it. His wall tent is super warm and by the end of the night he has a nice little stream running out of his tent haha. The ice is about 3-4 feet deep. He gets the cots out and then wraps his fishing line around his finger so if a fish bites he doesn't miss it.

Its always great to hear about people camping on the ice. Especially when the memories and stories come with it! 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Nov 23, 2016, 06:50 PM
Its always great to hear about people camping on the ice. Especially when the memories and stories come with it!

ditto.  what he said 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: esox_xtm on Nov 23, 2016, 07:13 PM
Tell ya what.

In northern WI I feel a lot more comfortable into the dark or overnight with an "insurance policy" in my pocket. Been eyeballed by wolves more than once.

Just sayin'...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: missoulafish on Nov 23, 2016, 07:23 PM
Wolves are sneaky, they are the reason I started carrying a side arn durring bow season. Blackbears and lions are easy to scare off, wolves want to eat you and dont scare.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: esox_xtm on Nov 23, 2016, 07:26 PM
Yep. Black bears are just stupid curious. We don't have much by big cats around these parts. Probably only a matter of time. Wolves are like me in the woods with a rifle in my hands...... Just bad intent.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: missoulafish on Nov 23, 2016, 07:28 PM
True story Essox.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Nov 24, 2016, 08:44 AM
That sure adds a whole new level to ice camping.  We only have pesky coyotes here where i live in MI.  Never thought of the other predators scavenging the ice at night up where you guys live.  Very interesting. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ran7ger on Nov 24, 2016, 09:21 PM
wolves all over the place up here, never had an issue.  must not like canadian meat.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: PolarBird on Nov 25, 2016, 12:56 PM
anyone have to worry about any other unusual creatures while ice camping?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Idahogator on Nov 25, 2016, 01:06 PM
Best cover the holes ~ muskrats and otter are common in some areas.    :woot:

Being startled awake can cause wicked antics, depending on alcohol consumption.      :roflmao: :roflmao:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Nov 25, 2016, 01:09 PM
I almost shot a wolf on mon.  Just got a new rifle and needless to say I don't like the bdc reticle.  I always carry while on the ice.  There is always the possibility of a winter bear.  They scare me more than any wolf or wolverine mainly because if they're up in the winter they are starving and not afraid of anything.  Heard enough horror stories to know you don't want to mess with a winter bear.  The other thing I'm worried about is big earthquakes during early ice.  Over 15 inches isn't much of a problem but less and there is the possibility of the lake breaking up. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: esox_xtm on Nov 25, 2016, 05:14 PM
Best cover the holes ~ muskrats and otter are common in some areas.


I've had muskrats come up the holes a few times. It's a little startling but certainly not dangerous. Had a pair of fox run off with a bag of dead bait once. Bold little pukes. They made several tries at it until they realized my yelling and whistling wasn't gonna hurt 'em. Haven't had an encounter but if you leave anything edible unsecured the 'coons will probably find it and claim it as theirs. Leave a mess to boot.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Fish Boy35 on Nov 26, 2016, 12:26 AM
Lots of great info on here!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: masoneddie on Nov 26, 2016, 06:24 AM
Lots of great info on here!

Agreed...it's very interesting reading for sure! Wolves, bears, wolverines...my local lakes don't have any of the good stuff, maybe a fox, perhaps a coyote, and local dogs who mark their territory on your hub or tip ups....and most of them only have two legs!    ;D

Keep them coming...really good read!    :clap:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: PolarBird on Nov 28, 2016, 10:10 PM
The only critter we had besides coyotes on the ice was the rare muskrat through the hole one time.  lol, cannot imagine running into a wolf or bear on the ice like that.  And i agree with the rest, keep the info coming, it is awesome.  Maybe we can get some pics too.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: robbiej on Nov 28, 2016, 10:40 PM
wolves all over the place up here, never had an issue.  must not like canadian meat.


Do you go in the Montreal Lake derby? If so, how has it been

Cheers
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Wind Flag on Nov 29, 2016, 05:49 PM
anyone have to worry about any other unusual creatures while ice camping?
I invite unusual creatures out on the ice with me all the time. Some of them drink too much, but they're not too much of a problem.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: PolarBird on Nov 29, 2016, 10:42 PM
I invite unusual creatures out on the ice with me all the time. Some of them drink too much, but they're not too much of a problem.

Hahaha, best quote so far!   :clap:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Nov 30, 2016, 05:26 AM
anyone have to worry about any other unusual creatures while ice camping?

Yes.  People...Alburg VT had it's share of interesting creatures when we were camping up there.  Coyotes too.  They were around in numbers on the ice but never got close.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AndyJ on Nov 30, 2016, 07:18 AM
wolves all over the place up here, never had an issue.  must not like canadian meat.

 I've heard two aggressive wolf stories from northern natives since the big fires of 2015. The reasoning goes that food is scarce over large areas and they are hungry and roaming out of their previous ranges in search of food. One was about wolves harrassing fishermen pulling nets, the other about wolves wrecking a tent camp during moose hunting season. That one was told by a heavy set pair of brothers who with typical Cree humour mentioned the wolves thought they were going to get a big lunch that day.

  The chances of animal problems is less in the bush than in the city but it's a good idea out there to have Plan B. Personally, I've not seen evidence of or heard wolves since the fires around Nemeiben Lake.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: AlphaPlex20 on Nov 30, 2016, 10:40 PM
I've heard two aggressive wolf stories from northern natives since the big fires of 2015. The reasoning goes that food is scarce over large areas and they are hungry and roaming out of their previous ranges in search of food. One was about wolves harrassing fishermen pulling nets, the other about wolves wrecking a tent camp during moose hunting season. That one was told by a heavy set pair of brothers who with typical Cree humour mentioned the wolves thought they were going to get a big lunch that day.

  The chances of animal problems is less in the bush than in the city but it's a good idea out there to have Plan B. Personally, I've not seen evidence of or heard wolves since the fires around Nemeiben Lake.

That is interesting. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Dec 27, 2016, 01:09 PM
Ammondude and I did our second (annual?) overnight at Henry’s Lake in Island Park, ID, on Dec 19-20, 2016.

Preparation began shortly after last year’s trip (see the original post here: http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566)).  I had new wiring for the snowmobile trailer all year, but the week before the trip there I was on a creeper underneath the trailer rewiring it at 6 degrees F.  Most of the other prep comprised buying new stuff.  The hardest part was the second snowmobile.  I thought I had my older sled running, but just before the trip it died and I didn’t have the time to get it going again.  Long story short, I bought another snowmobile!  The “new” one is a ’97 Polaris Indy Trail 500 with an X-Tra 10 and longer track with 2-inch paddles.  I normally like 2-ups for ice fishing, but I was determined that nothing was going to mess up our trip.

If I was going to tow an extra sled (cargo sled behind my ice fishing sled, behind my snowmobile), my ice fishing sled needed a rear hitch.   I found one with a large flat plate that attached nicely to the bottom of the sled:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL16A.jpg) (http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL16B.jpg) (http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL16C.jpg)

After leaving a little later than planned, we arrived at our parking spot around 2:00 p.m.  It was about 11 degrees F.  Before long, the snowmobiles were unloaded and the sleds were packed up.  I towed my fishing sled, with a covered Jet Sled XL behind it, and the Ammondude just a covered Jet Sled XL.

With our desired access road snowed in, we attempted to try a new route to get on the lake, based on advice from a friend.  The road was way too plowed and we ended up pulling our new Jet Sleds over some nasty gravel.  Yikes!  And then we discovered we had made a wrong turn and we ended up on a private neighborhood road.  With daylight waning, we gently trespassed onto the Lake.  My apologies and thanks to the nice folks of that little subdivision.  We pulled up to our exact, intended destination at about 3:00 p.m.

It was great to load up once, drive to camp, and set up—no shuttle runs.  The Jet Sled XL cargo sleds with covers and HD hitches were terrific!  Shappell says the covers can fit over a five gallon bucket, but they would not fit over a bunch of them.  Even though the sides of the cover didn’t quite reach the sled when stretched over the load, they worked very, very well.   The hitch I had installed on the back of my fishing sled also worked perfectly.  The ice fishing sled can be a little tippy, but no problems.

After passing three fishermen on the way to camp, we saw and heard no-one the rest of the trip.  Here is a look at our camp:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL16D.jpg)

And a glance or two inside:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL16H.jpg) (http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL16I.jpg)

Camp was setup with about 30 minutes of light to spare.  Quickfish 6, bunkbed cots, Big Buddy heater, etc.  Time to fish!  I almost instantly caught a smaller rainbow/cutthroat hybrid.  Cool!  I quickly released it to replace it with something bigger that never came.  Darkness quickly set in and the fishing turned off.

We shortly plugged in our experiment for the trip, a Quarrow 90-LED submersible light, and jumped into the QuickFish 6 for some evening fishing.  On the camera you could see the zooplankton migrating into the light.  We saw a few fish but got no bites.  With the light on, we could see our jigs without resorting to IR mode on the camera.

Did the light make a difference?  We don’t know.  For sure, it drew a cloud of zooplankton, but we’re not sure the rest of the food chain noticed.

For light inside the shelter, we tried out two Etekcity LED lanterns.  At only 30 lumens I had my doubts, but the price was very good at Amazon, and the reviews were positive.   They are great little units that reportedly go 10-12 hours on a set of 3 AA batteries.  In the end, we agreed that two more of them, or something brighter, would be in order.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51BHEnUBD1L._AC_US174_.jpg)

Time to warm up a bit and make supper.  We cranked up the Big Buddy heater to high and turned on the fan and WOW!  Where the Portable Buddy would take the edge off the cold, the Big Buddy made it simply warm in there.  We’re talking strip off layers warm.  As the ceiling defrosted, we wiped it with one of our beach towels, and with the heater fan on, the moving air kept the ceiling dry.  Nice.  The towel-the-ceiling thing turns out to be a once-per-warming-session deal.  The beach towels were a good move.  I went to put up the CO detector only to discover it was still in the bag with the other heater, at home.  D’oh!

Instead of the Sterno stove we used a tiny propane/butane job that did amazingly well.  Our traditional dinner of smoked brisket sandwiches on onion rolls was very nice.  Once again we heated the brisket in a bag, in a pan of water, then used the hot water to make Tang.  Aaaah.

After fishing a while longer, we stepped outside to brush our teeth, etc.  It was clear and the stars were AMAZING.  You could see the milky way so clearly.

We liked the floor panels so much last year that we took 12.  But we only used 6.  Four under the cot to keep it dry from below, and two on which to stand and change clothing.

With the heater on, we changed into clean dry everything, turned off the propane, and jumped into bed.  When we had set up the bunkbeds we discovered that the new extensions to increase the space between them had never been added to the cot bags and had been left at home.  D’oh!  We used the exact same sleeping system as last year, and it is a lock for use in the future.  So warm and comfy.  Once again we found no need for the heater overnight.

I was awoken at 4:45 a.m. by a bell and turned on a light to see a pole bouncing slightly.  When I got to it I had to break 1/4 inch of ice in the hole.  By the time I freed the line well enough the fish was gone.  It had taken the mealworm off my jig.  I rebaited and went back to sleep.  A single bite overnight seems to be our established pattern.

With no alarm set, I awoke again about 15 minutes before sunrise.  Getting dressed with the heater on is still amazingly comfortable.  Ammondude was so comfy that he slept another hour while I got setup and fishing.

The day was slow but produced a couple of cutts for me between 2 and 3 lbs. 

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL16G.jpg)

The Ammondude got a 3.5 lb. cut and a 4.25 lb. hybrid.  Very pretty.

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL16E.jpg)

Here is a video from the Ammondude of camp and our bed setup:

https://youtu.be/kSm9qjJrNgI (https://youtu.be/kSm9qjJrNgI)

For at-camp restroom, we had opted for the Luggable Loo.  It is not the most stable thing in the world when sitting on ice and snow, and the opening is uncomfortably small.  But using it was better than a 4-mile round trip to the nearest outhouse.  I used it once and I’m glad we had it.  I’m also glad that nobody was around because I just used it outside!  The Double Doodie bags you can buy for it work very well.  It comes with some blue crystals in a small packet.  Don’t put that packet in your pocket unless you want a blue pocket.  Just sayin’.

The hole outside for the submersible light had been covered with a Cabela’s (ThermaSeat) ice hole cover.  As we packed up we found that the hole was still not frozen.

Packed up and ready to head out at about 3:00 p.m., we elected not to head back through the little subdivision.  I knew of a public access about a mile on the other side.  It is not used nor plowed in the winter, but we were on snowmobiles, after all.

We found it, got up the bank OK to the parking area, and surveyed the route.  It turned out to be a one-lane dirt road up the hillside.  But hey, we were on snowmobiles.  So off we go.  Partway up the road I realize that the road has drifted in and I am climbing up the hill in about 3 feet of powder pulling two heavy sleds behind.  The machine slows.  I gun it and hang on for the wild ride.  About 150  yards from the top, the snowmobile slows and stops.  Stuck!  Turning around I discover that the ice fishing sled has tipped over and is making a great anchor.

We got out of there, but it went something like this:  Unhitch the sleds and break trail to the top.  Turn around (take the snowmobile back down), unload the extra gear off the ice fishing sled and tow it to the top.  Go back and tow the Jet Sled to the top.  Go back and get the extra gear and carry that to the top.  Go back and make sure the Ammondude makes it up the hill.  Hook everything back up and continue the trip out.  After managing my layers carefully for two days, I was by that time sweating up a storm.  That new sled with the extra track and paddles had saved the day.

Here is a look at the caravan as we returned to the truck:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL16F.jpg)

In all, a grand adventure and pinnacle experience for us.

Identified improvements from last year:

Two snow machines: A must and the new sled saved our bacon.
More cargo space:  Jet Sled XLs with covers and HD hitches are two thumbs up.
More cooler space: The second Igloo cooler was perfect.
More heat: We love the Big Buddy heater and the cute 11-lb cylinder to go with it.  Total propane usage was only .75 gallons.
Bunk bed extensions: Well, they’re packed with the cots now.
Bigger wipe-the-wall towels: Two beach towels were great.
Two full-size action packers: This was just right for storing all layers but bibs and coats, overnight.
At-the-camp restroom option: The Luggable Loo did the job and it weighs nothing.

To do Better Next Time

Get the blasted extensions into the cot bags (done).
Get the CO detector into the right case (done).
Pack some paper towels in the kitchen bag.
Leave the spare propane tank at home.
Take fewer floor panels (like 6).
Cover the inside holes overnight.
More light (see above).
Get an earlier start to enable afternoon fishing on day 1.
If we return to Henry’s, use the easy access up the shore and ride the shoreline to our spot, rather than fight the more difficult (or private) access that is closer.
I still have my eye on an Eskimo Fatfish 9416i.

Our camp is still not mobile, but I think that is the best setup for us if we’re overnighting.  And we’re still junior dudes compared to Drifter.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: 800stealth on Dec 27, 2016, 01:30 PM
Wow, great read Steve. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: walpy on Dec 27, 2016, 06:14 PM
Awesome post, great stuff! Looks like a blast!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Dec 27, 2016, 06:24 PM
FG Steve great trip and awesome addition the thread.  I suggest you update this yearly.  I haven't camped yet but I am going to as soon as possible.  I will certainly post then...Thanks again for the post...thats a lot of work to write that up.  Benefits many, nice job!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GCD on Dec 27, 2016, 08:41 PM
This is so frickin' kewl!!! I'd love to camp on the ice for a weekend, or even a week! (just as long as I had a warm place to shower!)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: hounds on Dec 27, 2016, 08:47 PM
Steve great adventure, I'm considering doing something similar in the future, but we need a winter like 2012 to even consider sleeping overnight here in Northern Indiana.  Thanks for sharing it will help me for when I get ready to try it.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jerryfishing on Dec 27, 2016, 09:07 PM
Thanks for sharing your experience F G Steve!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: crappieslayer37 on Dec 27, 2016, 09:07 PM
but we need a winter like 2012 to even consider sleeping overnight here in Northern Indiana. 
::) I could camp tonight if I didn't have to work till friday ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: potatoe on Dec 27, 2016, 09:17 PM
cool outing, I just want to try fishing at night for the first time
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Dec 27, 2016, 11:10 PM
This is so frickin' kewl!!! I'd love to camp on the ice for a weekend, or even a week! (just as long as I had a warm place to shower!)
Check out the zodi hot water showers, when I'm out for a week or two it's real nice to be able to take a shower every few days.  There's always the baby wipe shower if your only out for like 5 days.  Anything less than that it's called maning up and living with the stink.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Dec 28, 2016, 08:06 AM
FG Steve,

Thanks for the post on this years trip.  I appreciate the detail an effort you put into the posts.

I received a 9416I for Christmas and cant wait to spend a night or two in it this year.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bowski76 on Dec 28, 2016, 08:29 AM
Wow, what an adventure. A lot of thought and effort went into your trip; I can only imagine what I would forget to bring.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: missoulafish on Dec 28, 2016, 08:40 AM
Still going strong, just a great thread. Great info Steve:) some awesome adventures :icefish:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: LarryClutch on Dec 28, 2016, 09:22 AM
Loved reading these.  Had to post in here so I can see the replies to my post to save the thread easier!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Dec 28, 2016, 09:28 AM
FG Steve,

Thanks for the post on this years trip.  I appreciate the detail an effort you put into the posts.

I received a 9416I for Christmas and cant wait to spend a night or two in it this year.

If you want company I'd take a ride up.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Dec 28, 2016, 09:35 AM
If you want company I'd take a ride up.

That sounds good.  I will send you a PM.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: curt69 on Dec 29, 2016, 08:33 AM
Thanks Steve great report .
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 04, 2017, 10:56 AM
Wow, what an adventure. A lot of thought and effort went into your trip; I can only imagine what I would forget to bring.

I would forget tons of things if I didn't use a checklist.  I have one for each of certain activities, including ice fishing, boat fishing, backpacking, etc.  It also helps calm my nerves on the drive to the lake, reducing the "did we bring..." questions.  As you might imagine, I am also developing a checklist specific to our overnight ice fishing excursions, so next year we will be using version 3.  On a trip like this, safety is a big deal and a checklist helps ensure the right stuff gets there.  You can guess from my report some of the checklist updates for next year.

Thanks to all for the encouragement and kind comments.  I look forward to lowaccord's post.  Lowaccord, are you going out soon?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jul 29, 2018, 08:43 PM
Howdy, all.

Our 2017/2018 overnight trip was cancelled because Ammondude's wife got in a very bad accident in December and was hospitalized.  She is doing better now, and we are gearing up for this year's trip, in late December.

Nosaj reports that he still hasn't spent a night in his 9416i.  Thanks for the PM pics, though.  It looks like I'm going to need Deal Ninja to find one for me this season.

Lowaccord, did you get in an overnight trip last season?  If so, I'd love to hear about it.

Our fantastic Spring fishing season is over.  It really was terrific, with lots of large trout and even an overnighter in the boat (first time I've ever caught a limit by 3:30 a.m.).   The overnight boat trip was the best, including a grilled steak dinner, a John Wayne movie, the bunkbed cots, and a 5 pound trout at 2:00 a.m.

I know it's July, but I'm already starting to look forward to this year's overnight ice adventure.  The date is set and preparation is underway!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: walpy on Aug 10, 2018, 01:49 PM
Glad to hear Ammondude's wife is doing well!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ActiveTrapChecker on Aug 19, 2018, 03:06 PM
Love this thread. Jon, nice work getting it started years ago.

Going to make a maiden overnight voyage this season, will certainly draw from the past experiences of others. And will definitely post thevplanning aspects of it all.

Quick question - how do daily limits work with spending multiple days on the ice? That’s one of the questions I will ask ECon as the hardwater season approaches.

But before then, I have some venison to procure for meals for the trip...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Aug 19, 2018, 03:59 PM
Love this thread. Jon, nice work getting it started years ago.

x2!   Looking forward to your contribution.

But before then, I have some venison to procure

x2!

Quick question - how do daily limits work with spending multiple days on the ice? That’s one of the questions I will ask ECon as the hardwater season approaches.

That depends on local rules about bag and possession limits.  For example, in our state they changed the rules recently and the possession limit allows you to have three days' limit with you while in the field.  That means we would be allowed to keep one limit before midnight and one after.  If that sounds greedy, consider that we may be on a lake with trophy regs where the limit is a whopping 2 fish. 

What state are you in?  Gotta be NY.  Might be a question that would get a quick and accurate response in a local thread.  (Might be answered here before I hit the Post button.)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ActiveTrapChecker on Aug 19, 2018, 04:29 PM

What state are you in?  Gotta be NY.  Might be a question that would get a quick and accurate response in a local thread.  (Might be answered here before I hit the Post button.)
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You are correct, NY. I know some local ECon pretty well, will likely see them during archery season and will ask the question then. They seem to be a good source of information on such topics.

Not that I intend to catch 3 days limits, but more than one day would be nice!

Also want to learn more about carcass disposal while I am talking to them. Fresh fish and venison would be a great surf and turf on the ice!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Agronomist_at_IA on Aug 19, 2018, 05:49 PM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

Im going to stay on the ice all weekend.  Bringing a cot and cold weather bag.  Just curious whos done it and how it went!

Thanks guys.

I'm kinda suprised by the number of people that do this and chance possible issues with heaters and stuff. Maybe it's different around here.......but we tend to have more then enough guides with nice ice castle or ice castle type wheel houses that a guy can rent for about $50 a night per person. I would think that at those prices a person can't really justify screwing around with the other way when it comes to safety, comfort, and expense.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: RStock521 on Aug 19, 2018, 07:16 PM
I'm kinda suprised by the number of people that do this and chance possible issues with heaters and stuff. Maybe it's different around here.......but we tend to have more then enough guides with nice ice castle or ice castle type wheel houses that a guy can rent for about $50 a night per person. I would think that at those prices a person can't really justify screwing around with the other way when it comes to safety, comfort, and expense.
Wow, $50 a night would be a steal!  Nothing like that here in Ohio.  When the conditions allow on Erie next, I'd love to camp out there and this thread will be invaluable in the preparation for the trip.  Thanks everyone for sharing the info, keep it coming! 

It's August, and I'm looking at Thermarest sleeping pads to keep the cold off.    The Thermarest Mondoking 3D has an R-value of 11.4.  I was looking at using an air mattress, but in my research, I've learned that air mattresses suck the heat right out of you, whereas the sleeping pads have insulation to keep the cold off.  I'm thinking cot, then sleeping pad on top.  It's kind of bulky, but so is everything else we haul out... ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Aug 19, 2018, 11:08 PM
I'm kinda suprised by the number of people that do this and chance possible issues with heaters and stuff. Maybe it's different around here.......but we tend to have more then enough guides with nice ice castle or ice castle type wheel houses that a guy can rent for about $50 a night per person. I would think that at those prices a person can't really justify screwing around with the other way when it comes to safety, comfort, and expense.

Yup, it's different.

$50/night would be terrific.  Nothing like that around here.  Moreover, local ice isn't something on which I would drive a car/truck/SUV.  Ever.  Gotta tow that thing out and back.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Agronomist_at_IA on Aug 20, 2018, 12:20 AM
Yup, it's different.

$50/night would be terrific.  Nothing like that around here.  Moreover, local ice isn't something on which I would drive a car/truck/SUV.  Ever.  Gotta tow that thing out and back.

Yeah....It does get a little scary when you drive out 1 1/2 miles on 16in of ice with a 1500 pickup and an ice castle in tow.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Aug 20, 2018, 01:51 AM
I was looking at using an air mattress, but in my research, I've learned that air mattresses suck the heat right out of you, whereas the sleeping pads have insulation to keep the cold off.

Very, very true.  Old-fashioned air mattresses don't insulate worth beans.

The Thermarest Mondoking 3D has an R-value of 11.4.  ...  I'm thinking cot, then sleeping pad on top.  It's kind of bulky, but so is everything else we haul out... ;D

I think my combination of ThermaRest Camprest and urethane pad adds to about 11.9 R value.  Tested on a cot with no heater down to -10 F, with two zero-degree bags on top of it (more R-value added by the bags).

That Mondoking is a beast!  At 30x80" I think it is optimally sized.  I took a hard look at it and decided to stick with the current system, part of which is oblivious to puncture/leaking disaster.  If you get it please report back about it.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 13, 2019, 05:26 PM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

I suggest you update this yearly

Ammondude and I completed our third overnight, at Henry’s Lake in Island Park, Idaho, December 27-28, 2018.

Here is the post from trip 1 in 2015: http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566
 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566)
And the post from trip 2 in 2016: https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3587572#msg3587572
 (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3587572#msg3587572)
As usual, preparations began just after our last overnight trip.  Primary acquisitions:
-Eskimo Fatfish 9416i
-Two Goal Zero Light-A-Life 350 lights
-Some additional Thermaseat hole covers. 

We made all the adjustments from last year’s list, plus the following:
-Our urethane foam cot pads were retired and replaced with Cabela’s cot pads, which are just fabric-covered urethane foam.
-My Goal Zero Yeti 150 was brought along to power the lights and other stuff.  It has about a 12.5Ah SLA battery.  The Goal Zero solar panel we use in the boat was left at home.  We had tested a single Goal Zero light on our boat overnighter in May and were so impressed that I purchased a second one. 
-New 10-ply cooper AT3 tires on the Yukon XL

We had set up the new FF9416i in the yard before the trip to ensure it was all there.  Eskimo ships their hubs with enough straps to tie down half of the wall panels, so I obtained three more and an extra anchor pouch.  With 12 anchors and 6 straps we can tie down all sides.

Here is an image of the Light-A-Life 350:

(http://www.stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/GZ350.jpg)

Ammondude’s goal was to catch brook trout.  I thought it would be nice to catch a monster hybrid, but they have been sparse this year up there.  My other trips so far this year were successful enough that I wasn’t too uptight about it.

I was eager to meet up with prospector, who planned to join us this year.  I wanted to see him slaying fish with his homemade plastics and I wanted ammondude to see his awesome sleeper setup.

A successful earlier start enabled our arrival at the State Park entrance just before Noon.  The road had not been plowed, but it was evidently still being used, so in we went.  After towing the snowmobile trailer through some rutted 2-3 foot snow drifts we found ourselves at the parking lot.

When we were just about loaded for our trek across the ice, prospector showed up with a friend in tow, but no snowmobile(s).  Dude!  Where’s your sled?  It turns out I don’t communicate well enough and he thought we would be camping near the truck.  With camp over a mile away this was going to be a problem.  We determined that their stuff wasn’t configured for towing, so we parted company and ammondude and I headed out across the lake.  Yes, prospector caught a hog on the day after we left, on the other side of the lake.  :)

With winds blowing at least 15 mph, it was something of a mild ground blizzard.  Even though we have done this before, it still gives me pause to travel on the ice, over a mile from the truck, with a temperature in the teens and an expected low below zero, in a ground blizzard.

At this point it may be good to understand that I have little patience for folks who haphazardly attach items to motor vehicles.  My buddy lost a boat off the roof of his SUV once and I just rolled my eyes and figured it was a bad attachment job.  How can you not attach something successfully to a vehicle?

An additional point that may help is that when we switched over to Jet Sled XLs for the 2016 trip, they didn’t quite hold everything.  We ended up strapping a few things on here and there, and this year was no different.  In fact, it was probably a little worse, because of the new Cabela’s cot pads don’t compress as easily as the old worn-out ones did, and we had a few additions, like the Yeti 150 and lights.

As we crossed the ice in the ground blizzard, I occasionally slowed down to turn around and check Ammondude and get a thumbs-up.  About half way across I turned and he was not there.  After stopping and looking directly behind, I saw him a few hundred yards back, off his snowmobile, picking something up off the ice.  Turns out it was my food cooler.  It had become detached from his rig and scattered all its contents.

By the time I got back there, he had kindly reloaded the cooler, which I then strapped onto my ice fishing sled with a tie down strap and cinched it down hard.  How can you not attach something successfully to a vehicle?

Upon arrival at our chosen site, we found that the wind was somewhat moderated even though it was coming at us from across the ice.  It seems that the steep rise on the shore sheltered us a bit even though the wind was blowing at it from across the lake.  So, despite the wind, we had a fairly easy time setting up the hub shelter.  The trees atop the ridge gave an audible reminder that it was howling up there.  From 00:00:19 to 00:00:36 in this video from prospector, you can see what it was like on the rest of the lake at that time:



By 3:00 p.m., camp was all set up.  Here is a look at the site, taken the next day:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL18A.jpg)

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL18B.jpg)

We had a great time catching and releasing small brook trout and rainbow/cutthroat hybrids.  Ammondude was psyched to be catching brookies, even though they were small.   He was also having a total blast using the MarCum lx-6s.  “Hey there’s a fish down at the bottom.  I’ll drop to entice him.  Oh!  Fish on!”

As it got dark I became amazed at the awesome lighting in the shelter.  Ammondude came in and was impressed.  Then I explained that the lights were on low and bumped them up to high.  Wow!  Completely lit the shelter with just two lights.  They have integrated clips and daisy chain together.  Totally, totally sold.  They burn 1W on low and 5W on high.  One more item for which the experimentation, trial, and error are over.

The evening bite continued both inside and outside of the shelter, and we had more fun running for bells outside and jigging inside.

Dinner at about 7:00 p.m. was our traditional brisket sandwich on an onion roll, with the Ziploc-packed brisket reheated in hot water.  Only this time, Ammondude had two sandwiches.  The leftover Christmas brisket was SO GOOD, but I was amazed that anyone could eat two of those.  Time to put Tang in the hot water, and we found the tang was still at home on the table.  D’oh!  Cold Powerade was fine, but I missed my annual hot Tang.  As the evening progressed, Ammondude regretted his second sandwich but his stomach calmed by sleep time.

We had even more fun catching and releasing a few more small hybrids and brookies, using the MarCum and the Aqua-Vu, in the green glow of the Quarrow submersible light.  Soon it was time to call it a day and hit the sack.  By 10:00 p.m. the heater was off and we were cozy.  The temperature was dropping with an expected low of -3 deg F.   We covered the in-shelter holes to help them freeze up less, and as I drifted off to warm sleep, I wondered about the drifted road as the wind continued to make the trees sing.  Not interested in a stuck-truck adventure on the way out.

At 11:11 p.m. I was awoken to the happy sound of a bell ringing on a bouncing rod.  Ding, ding, ding.  I turned on the light from my position in the top bunk, to find that it was my pole.   So I jumped out of bed to catch a 3 lb. cutthroat.

So I’m sitting on a floor pad in my jammies with wet, cold hands and I figure I should at least get a picture of the fish.  Not my best work: 

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL18C.jpg)

Just as I finished, Ammondude, without stirring in the bed asked if he should take a pic.  Nah.

I untangled the two lines, re-baited, and went back to bed.

At about 5:20 a.m. ding, ding, ding.  I jump out again to catch and release a small hybrid.  Re-bait, jump back in bed, and as my head hits the pillow, ding, ding, ding.  You gotta be kidding me.  This basically repeats over and over, and before you know it the heater is on and I’m up until about 7:00, catching and releasing small fish and thawing out the worm box that I had left open at 11:00 (yikes).

I gotta get another hour of sleep.  Just as I settle in at 7:00 a.m., ding, ding, ding.  Ammondude, please catch that fish on my pole I’m going to get a little more rest.

I slept in until 8:00 and awoke to a bright and calmer day.  We caught lots of fish and had lots of fun fishing on camera, or “video game fishing” as one of my buddies calls it.  Nothing larger than my 3 lb. cutt, but Ammondude got a 2 lb. cut:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL18D.jpg)

… and we kept some brookies that would be between 1 and 2 pounds.  Prospector reported similar results but would stay another night to catch a pig on the third day.

The brook trout were very pretty.

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL18E.jpg)

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL18F.jpg)

Yes, most of them went back:



Traditional cold breakfast was delayed from fishing action but it still hit the spot.  Boiled eggs, pre-grilled ham slice, Frusion drink, and granola bar stuff.

I was a bit surprised that the larger volume of the FF9416i (vs. the QF6) took more effort to heat.  I had thought that the insulated cover would offset the larger volume. The Big Buddy with fan on, at High, with closed doors and windows (except ventilation), can make it very comfortable in there, and would defrost the ceiling and most of the walls, but we ran the heater much more than with other trips.  I’ve seen other folks talk about two Big Buddies in a 9416 and I understand it now, but I think we are OK with just the one for now, though we agreed that having a heater was imperative.  We will consider backup or secondary options.  Total propane use: about 2.35 gallons.  Update: Worthington web site says the capacity of that 11 lb tank is 2.6 gallons, so we used something like 90% of our primary propane supply.  My most accurate vendor was closed for repairs, so the used amount is somewhat approximate.

As before, the heater was not run while we were both sleeping, and was not needed for that.  I slept a little too warm at times, and a little cool at others, but was able to adjust in both cases to remain comfortable.

Between the insulated walls and the Big Buddy fan, we had zero ceiling drips for the whole trip.  That was nice.  Maybe we can back off the large towels a bit.  Neither was used this trip.  In fact we only used one of two fishing towels.

After running lights from late afternoon into the night, and intermittently after that, and after charging my phone once, the Yeti 150 still showed 40% capacity available as we put it away.

When we were packing up, the CO detector said the peak reading was 28 PPM, which surprised me as we normally get zero.  However, it alarmed as we unloaded the running SUV at home.  I realized that we had also unloaded the running SUV as we arrived at the lake.  I guess we got some CO exposure but it probably came at the truck and not in the shelter!

Once again I was happy to have the Luggable Loo with us, and the “Double Doodie” bags.  Enough said about that.

Stew and hearty bread for lunch also hit the spot.

Fishing action was so regular that it was a good thing I finally kept a couple of fish, so I could turn some attention to packing.  Ammondude cleaned all the fish.  Thanks, dude!  We were packed up by 3:00 p.m., and it was time to head back to the truck.

By the way, those Cabela’s cot pads are a pain to roll up.  However, we found a great method.  Just put four hands on it instead of two and zip-zip it becomes almost easy.

Up to this point, we had seen only one fisherman, on the second day, about a half mile away.  Jet airplanes overhead at cruising altitude sounded loud.  We had a full 24 hours of peaceful solitude in gorgeous surroundings.  Totally amazing.

This time, we started with my cooler strapped tightly onto the shelter, on top of the box sled.   As before, I checked for a thumbs-up once in a while.  And as before, about half way across Ammondude wasn’t there.  Looking behind I saw him again picking stuff up a few hundred yards back.  It was my cooler, which had bounced off and again exploded its contents onto the ice and snow!  How do you (I) not attach something successfully to a vehicle?

Finally back at the truck, we found a few SUVs in the parking lot and knew the trail out was at least broken.  Indeed, the drive out was uneventful, and we stopped for a picture on the way:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL18G.jpg)

Having stripped off all our layers for the 2.5-hr ride home, we were both amazed at how cold it was when we stopped for a Big Mac in Idaho Falls.

Although we slept fine, we were kinda tired and it took about 36 hours to fully recover.  I guess sometimes survival alone takes energy.

We both have a feeling of accomplishment and satisfaction, and we both have another trip on which to reflect throughout the coming year.  And we are already anticipating doing it again, though it is a big deal and an annual cadence is probably best for us.  It is a challenge, and it’s hard work, and it is a total blast.

Identified Improvements from Last Year:


-Get the blasted extensions into the cot bags: Permanently stored there.  Don’t use one of these cots without the optional extensions.
-Get the CO detector into the right case: Check.  And it’s good to know the thing works.
-Pack some paper towels in the kitchen bag: Permanent checklist addition.  Check.
-Leave the spare propane tank at home: Total propane usage: ~2.35 gal.
-Take fewer floor panels (like 6): We took 8 and it was the perfect amount for us.
-Cover the inside holes overnight: Much better!  Permanent addition.
-More light: Goal Zero Light-A-Life 350 x 2 is perfect for us, and we will use them on our boat overnighters, too.
-Get an earlier start to enable afternoon fishing on day 1: Much better!  The evening bite was so fun.
-If we return to Henry’s, use the easy access up the shore and ride the shoreline to our spot, rather than fight the more difficult (or private) access that is closer: Check.  No undesired trespassing or stuck-snowmobile adventures.
-Eskimo Fatfish 9416i: We have agreed that this is now our overnight shelter, but that will likely be its only role.  I love the way they integrated the anchor grommets in the skirt.  Much of the frost was on the seams only.  It is shorter inside than the QF6.  It is a heavy beast but quite sturdy.  It is not as easy to pack as the QF6, but we agreed that the original bag will work just fine for us.  The new-style cam straps are very nice and there is a little pocket under each hub to store them.

Do Better or Different Next Time:


-Limit Ammondude to one brisket sandwich :P
-Remember the Tang!  I guess that means re-check the food checklist.
-Add another Jet Sled XL, Shappell HD hitch, cover, and an Otter hitch receiver, to eliminate the remaining strapped-on equipment load.  Ammondude will pull a dual-trailer setup as I already do.  I already purchased the sled and ordered a cover and the hitch receiver.   Watching for sales on the hitch.
-Convert the box sled to use a Shappell HD hitch
-Consider a backup/secondary heat source
-Take a folding stool for the old man sleeping on the top bunk
-Take more and better trip documentation pics
-Record some Aqua-Vu video
-Get a more accurate measurement of propane usage
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: prospector on Jan 13, 2019, 06:05 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed the read! Thanks for sharing and taking the time to make us feel a part of the trip. Next year, I will have the extra brisket sandwich so that no one gets sick. I had to laugh about the fish keeping you up in the morning. They are definitely in a feeding mood that time of day. Camping on the ice is definitely a treat if one is prepared. Loved the visualizations of exploding coolers! We are blessed to have things like that to keep us humble and remind us of our humanity. I will call you at the end of February on my way to Cascade. Maybe we can do lunch!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: RStock521 on Jan 13, 2019, 07:07 PM
Great read, and thank you for sharing your experience.  One of these days, I'm going to overnight and your threads on here about your past experiences are going to help me immensely.  The learning process of gearing up and mastering the experience is half the fun, IMO.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ammondude on Jan 13, 2019, 07:09 PM
I can confirm that a good time was had with FG Steve.

It was nice to meet you prospector. I still gotta see your setup one of these days  ;D

Here are a few more photos to supplement FG Steve's post:

(https://i.postimg.cc/vchSGWNX/FGSteve-Lil-Brookie.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vchSGWNX)
Another small brookie.

(https://i.postimg.cc/gnmT9MNn/Shelter-Jiggin-Setup.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gnmT9MNn)
The camera/flasher setup in the shelter. During the wee hours of the night some guy on the top bunk kept jumping on and off, catching fish the whole night.

(https://i.postimg.cc/pyD66NQw/Small-Hybrid.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pyD66NQw)
Another small hybrid.

Tight lines!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Hutbomber on Jan 13, 2019, 08:43 PM
Great read! Thank you for taking us along. Sounds like you 2 had a great time and made some great memories. It's fun to hear all the things that add up to great trip.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: missoulafish on Jan 14, 2019, 06:11 AM
Great read Steve, thanks for taking the time to share it :)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Jan 16, 2019, 11:37 AM
FG Steve,

Thanks for sharing this years trip, it looked like a great time!  Hawkeye and I have still not made the overnight however we plan on it later in the season.  Hawkeye just fractured/chipped his elbow so that may push our trip even later.  I really like the 9416I and use it unless I am by myself,  it is a little more difficult to stuff in the bag and the stitching on the bag handles has failed.  I am going to have them sewed back on with heavy codura backing on the inside of the bag to help support the stitching.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 16, 2019, 11:51 AM
Prayers and best wishes to Hawkeye.  That elbow stuff can be especially difficult, as my wife can attest.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Jan 16, 2019, 07:07 PM
Prayers and best wishes to Hawkeye.  That elbow stuff can be especially difficult, as my wife can attest.

Steve thank you for your prayers and wishes!

We will know more tomorrow, the good news is that  he is feeling much better today.  I think he is going to be fine in time.  I look forward to our up date later In the season.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: nadamamasboy on Jan 19, 2019, 03:07 PM
Probably been mentioned but having a good 5 gallon bucket John cannot be overemphasized. Some 5 gallon construction bag liners, and a privacy curtain are nice. If it’s in the budget, you can grab a small pop up for a ‘rest area’
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: slipperybob on Jan 19, 2019, 06:55 PM
LOL did that trout just came back out of the hole!  ;D

Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 19, 2019, 10:04 PM
Probably been mentioned but having a good 5 gallon bucket John cannot be overemphasized. Some 5 gallon construction bag liners, and a privacy curtain are nice. If it’s in the budget, you can grab a small pop up for a ‘rest area’

This is what we used on our week long trip.
I had also built a seat with Styrofoam top so yer butt stays toasty. ;)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: timr35 on Jan 20, 2019, 09:34 AM
My shack has a wood stove so no worries of CO , spent a few over nighters in it .
As long as you have food and drinks you can come up with the entertainment !
(https://i.postimg.cc/yD3RxgSL/20181208-165106.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yD3RxgSL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sBV38by5/9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sBV38by5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GB79jbY4/20190119-160509.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GB79jbY4)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mcvW4qWd/2016-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcvW4qWd)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 20, 2019, 09:45 AM
I'm kinda suprised by the number of people that do this and chance possible issues with heaters and stuff. Maybe it's different around here.......but we tend to have more then enough guides with nice ice castle or ice castle type wheel houses that a guy can rent for about $50 a night per person. I would think that at those prices a person can't really justify screwing around with the other way when it comes to safety, comfort, and expense.

I can see we have a bit of a different perspective on this so I'll try to explain.  First on the safety front we used CO detectors so no issues there.

The second part is just a matter of principle...we wanted to do it.  I could own a ice castle and would enjoy that experience as well but it isn't the same.  Done right, you can have a good time out there doing it the way we did it.  I can totally see how it wouldn't be for some people.

I havent gone yet this season.  Soon.

Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: tbern on Jan 20, 2019, 10:52 AM
My shack has a wood stove so no worries of CO , spent a few over nighters in it .
As long as you have food and drinks you can come up with the entertainment !
(https://i.postimg.cc/yD3RxgSL/20181208-165106.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yD3RxgSL).    To be safe you should have a CO detector as wood stoves give off carbon monoxide which could enter into your shack if the venting isn't good or possibly a small leak in the stove itself.
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/sBV38by5/9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sBV38by5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GB79jbY4/20190119-160509.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GB79jbY4)

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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 20, 2019, 03:41 PM
I haven't gone yet this season.  Soon.

Lowaccord!  Good to hear from you.  It will be fun to read the report of your 2019 trip when it comes.  Thanks for starting this thread!

I can totally see how it wouldn't be for some people.

Yeah, it's not for everyone, but we totally enjoy it, as you can hopefully tell.  ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Sylvanboat on Jan 23, 2019, 06:01 PM
My wife thinks you are all nuts.  But she won't even go fishing with me - so what does she know.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 23, 2019, 11:35 PM
Lowaccord!  Good to hear from you.  It will be fun to read the report of your 2019 trip when it comes.  Thanks for starting this thread!

Yeah, it's not for everyone, but we totally enjoy it, as you can hopefully tell.  ;D

Likewise Steve.  When you can do it right and you know you are beating the elements it gives you a feeling that is hard to describe.  When you do it wrong its painfully cold. 

Last year was the warmest lows I ever camped in.  25-27.  Relative humidity 100.  Snow.  Froze my you know what's off.  Dry -6 was much more comfortable. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Kevin23 on Jan 23, 2019, 11:42 PM
Sounds like fun, but I'm not sure I could call it camping.. I'd just be fishing the whole time. Kind of like renting a "sleeper shack" on the ice... I'd just be fishing the entire time, I can sleep when I go home!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Jan 24, 2019, 07:56 AM
Awesome thread! Been reading it for a while now. I think I'll finally be giving this a shot this year, at least twice! The test run will be for a night in front of my friends camp in NH for the Derby. The second trip will be for a long weekend on Champlain!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Jan 24, 2019, 09:11 AM
I haven't really seen this covered yet reading the whole thread, at least not in depth. But what are some of the things you guys pack and prep for food? Easy and quick, minimal clean up, easy to pack, don't take a lot of room etc. I think we're just going to bring a tiny portable grill. we'll only be out for a weekend
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 24, 2019, 10:22 AM
I haven't really seen this covered yet reading the whole thread, at least not in depth. But what are some of the things you guys pack and prep for food? Easy and quick, minimal clean up, easy to pack, don't take a lot of room etc. I think we're just going to bring a tiny portable grill. we'll only be out for a weekend

Our usual on-the-ice, overnight menu covers 3 meals:

All meals have Powerade Zero and Water available.  Hydration is a key to staying warm.

Dinner: Something greasy-gassy to stoke the furnace


-Brisket sandwiches: Brisket vacuum sealed and frozen well in advance, heated in water (still in the sealed vacuum bag), served on onion rolls.  We actually wore nitrile gloves to eat these this year.
-Hot Tang: Made from the water in which the brisket bags were warmed.
-Veggies: Baby carrots and sugar snap peas.

Cold Breakfast: Gotta be quick 'cause this is fishing time.

-Eggs boiled at home, salt, pepper
-Ham slices grilled and vacuum packed at home.  I make a pile of this each season and throw them in the freezer.
-Nature valley granola cups
-Frusion yogurt drinks

Lunch: Important calories for packing out


-Dinty Moore stew
-Dave's Killer bread, "good seed"
-Fruit cups

Extras

-Jerky
-CLIF bars
-Other granola bar items

Most if not all food items stored in a cooler with 2L bottle of water, never freezes.

Current stove is a tiny propane/butane burner that mounts on a disposable canister.

The stew takes the most prep and even that is pretty easy.  A few paper towels to wipe out the pan and cleanup is good enough until home. 

Paper plates, bowls.  Disposable utensils.

I'm eager to hear other menus and get ideas.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Feb 11, 2019, 10:39 AM
As planned, we slept on the ice Thursday Night before the Derby. The plan was to jig for cusk and set cusk traps. We were fishing a super steep drop off on a rocky point in Meredith Bay. I set up by myself before AlMAcdougal could meet me there. I got there around 4:30, set up the insulated Clam 6 man Hub. Only needed 4 tie downs. I put down a tarp, foam floor, then threw in our 2 cots. we had zero degree sleeping bags, warm thermal clothes. It didn't start raining until AFTER I got set up, so that was great!

The Fishing: I probably started fishing around 7:00 by the time I set up, drilled my holes, got bait and put in traps. Al met up with me around 8-8:30. Well the jigging and cusk traps didn't go so well..... we fished water from 25-46 feet. we fished off the point, off the drop off, and even in a 46 foot bowl. Al caught a cusk around 9-10 on a cusk trap in 40ish fow. I caught one first thing in the morning on one of my traps in 40 feet of water on the drop off. the fishing wasn't great, but a fun experience. Unfortunately being dark and raining we didn't take as many pictures as we would have liked. but I've got some here. we jigged until about 11PM with very limited success, chummed and all just couldn't find them. The foam floor and tarp were HUGE for keeping us warm and most importantly, dry! we ran the heater right before bed to change into new clothes and then shut if off before going to bed. That fishing rod with that cusk..... came up with that cusk! I thought I had a giant on. It's funny around 10PM when I made my rounds to check bait on the cusk traps I pulled up a rubber shad lure and thought that was interesting, then out of that same hole I caught a fishing rod!




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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: hounds on Feb 11, 2019, 11:06 AM
Would love to give something like that a try.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: badger132 on Feb 11, 2019, 11:27 AM
I have an icebox, which helps to easily make an igloo using snow you pack in a form. Always wanted to try spending a night on the ice, I might get may chance this week, supposed to get 2 feet on the ice. Not good for fishing, but should make a nice shelter.

https://grandshelters.com/icebox-igloo-tools/
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ammondude on Feb 11, 2019, 11:46 AM
I have an icebox, which helps to easily make an igloo using snow you pack in a form. Always wanted to try spending a night on the ice, I might get may chance this week, supposed to get 2 feet on the ice. Not good for fishing, but should make a nice shelter.

https://grandshelters.com/icebox-igloo-tools/

That sounds like a blast! Having slept in snow caves and other show shelters before, I'd imagine that takes a good while to set up the full igloo. Having enough time to get setup before nightfall would be my main concern, but I bet it would be warm.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FlamDragger on Feb 11, 2019, 11:50 AM
I have an icebox, which helps to easily make an igloo using snow you pack in a form. Always wanted to try spending a night on the ice, I might get may chance this week, supposed to get 2 feet on the ice. Not good for fishing, but should make a nice shelter.

https://grandshelters.com/icebox-igloo-tools/
As a kid, we used to build these every winter! We always used a cardboard box to do the building. Great memories!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Stickhick86 on Feb 11, 2019, 11:53 AM
I have an icebox, which helps to easily make an igloo using snow you pack in a form. Always wanted to try spending a night on the ice, I might get may chance this week, supposed to get 2 feet on the ice. Not good for fishing, but should make a nice shelter.

https://grandshelters.com/icebox-igloo-tools/

Do you use a heat source on the inside or just rely on the igloo insulating your body heat?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: badger132 on Feb 11, 2019, 03:14 PM
Do you use a heat source on the inside or just rely on the igloo insulating your body heat?

We would go snow camping with Boy Scouts every Presidents day weekend. Even if it is 20 below, when you are inside a snow shelter, it is around freezing. With your body heat, it usually ends up close to 30- if you light a candle, the inside starts to melt. We would use a decent 3 season bag, and a closed cell foam pad, all in a bivy sack. A snow shelter is a lot more insulated than even an insulated tent.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Stickhick86 on Feb 12, 2019, 05:27 AM
That is awesome. I was watching videos last night about that tool for making igloos. Looked pretty fun but man is it expensive.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Albertan on Feb 22, 2019, 08:10 PM
Great read!  Thanks for all the info and and stories.  I hope to do this with my son as well, and was referred to this thread by another member. :)

Can I confirm that you guys are laying a tarp on the ice (after clearing a spot for your 9416i), and then putting the foam floor tiles down on top of that?  I think it was asked before, but you've had no significant issue with the tarp freezing in?  Thanks again for the info.  I may not get to doing the overnighter until next season.  But it gives me a head start on the checklist. ;)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Feb 23, 2019, 08:43 AM
Can I confirm that you guys are laying a tarp on the ice (after clearing a spot for your 9416i), and then putting the foam floor tiles down on top of that?  I think it was asked before, but you've had no significant issue with the tarp freezing in? 

In our case, we have some floor covered by tarp, some by foam floor tiles, and some bare.  Haven't had any issues with tarp or pads getting stuck.

We've found that the pads we use provide traction even if the area near the heater melts and ices over.  Tarps can get slick--we use them to put gear on, but not for walking/standing.

Looking forward to hearing about your trip!   Warm sleeping and tight lines.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: IceAddict87 on Oct 29, 2019, 11:21 AM
I’m glad FG Steve directed me here! I am planning to camp out at least one night when I am fishing in South Dakota this year! I’m big on lists especially when it comes to trips like this, I am starting it now so I can be ready. Looks like I will be adding foam interlocking mats to the list. I generally use my otter lodge flip over as my primary fishing set up but I also have a 6120i Eskimo hub that will be what I setup for camping on the ice. As of right now looks like this is going to be a solo adventure so I want to be prepared! I plan to keep the meals pretty simple. Started using a food jar a couple years ago for stuff like chili and a few different soups, I typically have a cooking kit that contains everything needed to fry some fish up on the spot and with my new cordless electric bubba knife it should make it a breeze to fillet fish up on the ice. I’m usually a bit over the top when it comes to prep so I will most likely set my shack up and do a dry run in the yard this fall sometime. Still trying to find the right cot to use and also gathering up the odds and ends, ordered a couple milk crates from amazon to store 20lbs propane cylinders in and also flip them over for bedside tables. Definitely planning on using another sleeping bag as a pad for the cot And my 0 degree sleeping bag to slip into when I’m not reeling in Walleyes during the night! Looks like it’s been a bit since this thread has been added to but I hope this sparks some renewed interest. I plan to give a full play by play after I get back from my trip with a similar format to FG Steve. I wish it was ice season!!!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: BeenPerchin315 on Oct 29, 2019, 05:16 PM
I used to use indoor outdoor carpet when I stayed on the ice. Man that fake grass has a lot of uses
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Oct 30, 2019, 09:47 AM
I have carpet inside my sled for the flip and just stand in the sled to take off my boots and get into bed.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Dec 18, 2019, 02:36 PM
Our overnight is coming up after Christmas.  Been looking forward to it all year.

Who else is planning an overnight trip this season?  It would be great to get some new trip reports.

Nosaj?
doctorgee?
lowaccord?
bassin?
ActiveTrapChecker?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Dec 18, 2019, 02:53 PM
I'll be doing a couple for sure. Buddy of mine bought a wall tent for hunting and said he wanted to spend a whole weekend on the ice in it. And I'll probably spend the night before sturgeon spearing opener in my 949i in physical and mental preparation for staring down a hole for 6 hours.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: DR.SPECKLER on Dec 18, 2019, 05:45 PM
I still havent done it..ive got the polarbird hub and heat.need a cot.i dont know why i dont have the balls to do it.sometimes im out till almost 2am.might as well stay there..
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: IceAddict87 on Dec 18, 2019, 05:54 PM
I’m about a month away from my first trip. I have been putting most of my time into deer hunting the past month but now I’m done with it and ready to hit the ice, but.... it looks like it might be awhile yet for central Iowa, what else is new? But my overnight is in South Dakota so no worries on ice! I will be posting my gear list soon for some of you more experienced folks to look over, I welcome any input!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Iceassin on Dec 18, 2019, 05:56 PM
I still havent done it..ive got the polarbird hub and heat.need a cot.i dont know why i dont have the balls to do it.sometimes im out till almost 2am.might as well stay there..

And why not me? Cause even though I spend almost all day on the ice, there is nothing better for these old bones than a nice comfy bed at the end of the day.  ;)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: RStock521 on Dec 18, 2019, 10:02 PM
I'm definitely planning to try it this season. I've learned a lot from this thread and I'll post about my trip on here for others to learn from.  I have an Otter XTH Resort and for the trip I've added foam flooring for half the shanty, upgraded to Big Buddy Heater, a cot, an Exped Megamat 10, and a 0 degree sleeping bag.  The cot/sleeping pad fit way better than I was expecting when I set it up this weekend in the driveway to check it out. I could definitely fit two cots in there. I'm looking forward to it!

I actually think I accidentally started a group camp out here in Ohio. I posted on another local fishing forum looking for tips/tricks and it turned into a bunch of people saying they would love to do a big outing. We'll see...


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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: SLAYERFISH on Dec 18, 2019, 10:14 PM
I stayed out till midnight once at 11-mile in colorado at 8700 ft. 30-35F below  ****censored word****ing crazy. I fell asleep in my hut with the coleman lantern going woke up barely alive the ice hole was frozen solid the hut was frozen solid the truck was frozen solid at 11am the next day. Amazing anyone made it out alive!

Nah f that baloney! ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Chuck Enwinde on Dec 19, 2019, 03:54 AM
I'm definitely planning to try it this season. I've learned a lot from this thread and I'll post about my trip on here for others to learn from.  I have an Otter XTH Resort and for the trip I've added foam flooring for half the shanty, upgraded to Big Buddy Heater, a cot, an Exped Megamat 10, and a 0 degree sleeping bag.  The cot/sleeping pad fit way better than I was expecting when I set it up this weekend in the driveway to check it out. I could definitely fit two cots in there. I'm looking forward to it!

I actually think I accidentally started a group camp out here in Ohio. I posted on another local fishing forum looking for tips/tricks and it turned into a bunch of people saying they would love to do a big outing. We'll see...


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I use a very similar system but I add a blue foam camp mat under my air mattress (Neoair).  Idea being that by insulating your air mattress from underneath, it has a better chance of retaining your body heat.  May not be necessary with the exped, but might be worth considering. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: RStock521 on Dec 19, 2019, 09:50 AM
I use a very similar system but I add a blue foam camp mat under my air mattress (Neoair).  Idea being that by insulating your air mattress from underneath, it has a better chance of retaining your body heat.  May not be necessary with the exped, but might be worth considering.
  Yeah, I'm hoping the foam flooring that I'm going to have on the ice will help keep cold from coming through.  The Megamat 10 also has an R-value of 9.5, so I'm hoping that helps significantly.  I also have an extra 0 degree sleeping bag that I may bring.

That cot is 80x32 for size reference and is on sale for $43 on Amazon right now.  Search "Coleman Camping Cot with Side Table"
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: fatty crusher on Dec 19, 2019, 10:31 AM
I have been out camping 3 nights so far this year from 27 to 7 degrees f. I have the fatfish 9416i paired with 2 buddy heaters, doubled up 0 degree sleeping bags and a cot. Comfortably fits and fishs 2. We usually bring totes to store food, sleeping equipment and other necessary items that cannot get wet. They also double as table for drinks and electronics. The foam floor sounds great but fishing in pa there are no motor vehicles allowed on ice so ya kind of choose what is worth hauling out. Cot makes good rod holders. Bring plenty of propane and antifreeze, headlamp a must, dont get wet, catch a bunch of fish, and cook some good meals. Doesn't get much better.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Dec 20, 2019, 08:11 AM
Our overnight is coming up after Christmas.  Been looking forward to it all year.

Who else is planning an overnight trip this season?  It would be great to get some new trip reports.

Nosaj?
doctorgee?
lowaccord?
bassin?
ActiveTrapChecker?



I don't have an official trip planned yet, but have to make repairs to my Clam Hub Shelter. I fished in some very crazy winds and the poles ended up poking through the canvas and straps broke from the ice anchors. So after making the repairs I'll be good to go!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Dec 20, 2019, 12:38 PM
Our overnight is coming up after Christmas.  Been looking forward to it all year.

Who else is planning an overnight trip this season?  It would be great to get some new trip reports.

Nosaj?
doctorgee?
lowaccord?
bassin?
ActiveTrapChecker?

Oh I am going to be camping dozens of nights this season! Actually as soon as there is ice I will be pulling my trailer with me to work every Friday and when I get out at 4pm it will be game on! Every. Single. Weekend! Stay tuned, I will be posting reports.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ActiveTrapChecker on Dec 20, 2019, 03:37 PM
Our overnight is coming up after Christmas.  Been looking forward to it all year.

Who else is planning an overnight trip this season?  It would be great to get some new trip reports.

Nosaj?
doctorgee?
lowaccord?
bassin?
ActiveTrapChecker?

It's on the list of things to do. Got to put the hunting gear away then it's off to the next season.
Lake has yet to be determined but the planning is already pages long in my head...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 08, 2020, 09:08 PM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

I suggest you update this yearly

BEST.  TRIP.  EVER.

Long post warning.  I may find a different format for future reports.  The IS proxy and my web server have a funny relationship sometimes.  If images don’t display, just reload the page.

The ammondude and I took overnight trip #4 on December 30-31, 2019.  High temp on day one: 10 deg F.  Low temp overnight: About 0 deg F.  High on day two: About 21 deg F.

Here are links to the previous trips:

2015: http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566
2016: https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3587572#msg3587572
2018: https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3921461#msg3921461

And for the first time, here are links to my two prep checklists, in one document.  I only claim that they are right for us.  YMMV, and I hope they help someone.

(checklist link) (http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/ice_fishing_overnight_checklist.pdf)

In addition to our normal preparation and most of the identified adjustments from last year, we added two new things:

- A Strikemaster Lithium 40V 8-inch auger
- An Aqua-Vu Revolution 5.0 Pro.

Among the adjustments from last year: Add a (third) Jet Sled XL and cover.  Here are pics of the Otter hitch install on the new Jet Sled XL (Shappell HD hitch also attached).  I’m very pleased with it:

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Ammondude’s primary goal was to catch a nice rainbow/cutthroat hybrid.  As usual, I thought it would be nice to catch a giant one, but would be happy to take home and eat trout > 2 pounds.

Based on local ice conditions, we opted to return to Henry’s Lake, Idaho, where the ice was > 12 inches and fishing reports had been good.  I figure it’s OK to mention the location as this place gets lots of press already and won’t hot-spot due to my report.  I was disappointed that prospector couldn’t join us, nor could some other friends from home.  Once again, it was just the two of us.  But that’s OK, we’re good company!

Folks had been getting trucks stuck at our usual parking area, so we passed on that and formulated a plan with three, prioritized, alternate parking spots.  The trip across the ice from alternate site 1 would be a little longer to our intended camping spot, probably about 2.5 miles, but we figured that shouldn’t be a problem.  There were videos online of folks buzzing around on snowmobiles.

A reasonable, mid-morning departure had us parking at alternate site 1 about 1:40 p.m., nearly 2 hours later than last year.  By 2:30 or so, we were loaded and ready for our trek across the lake before an expected sunset at 5:00.

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Zoom!  Sunny and calm day, about 8 degrees F, cruising across the ice with our train of cargo, life was good.  Nothing falling off sleds, no problems, just peachy, blissful progress.

Then it happened.  The snowmobile slowed and sank—SLUSH!  Aaargh!  Like 10 inches deep! I almost got stuck, and the ammondude almost got stuck behind me, and after some tense moments crawling along at full throttle, we got back onto solid ice.  What to do?  Let’s stick closer to shore.  OK.  But before we could get closer to shore – SLUSH AGAIN!  AARGH!  An even bigger patch.  This time I made it out and ammondude didn’t. A stuck snowmobile on the flat, on our beautiful day!!  I post holed back through the slush and snow, we unhooked his cargo sleds, and I mounted his snowmobile.  Two or three sessions of him pulling on a ski and me rocking the snowmobile while throttling up, and we got the beast back to some solid frozen water.  Then we had to go back and manually pull the cargo sleds to solid “ground,” one each.  Those things are work to pull when the surface is not solid!  Here is Ammondude pulling the second cargo sled.  You can see his coat back at the stuck spot, my tracks on the right, and his stuck/unstuck tracks in the middle.

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Now it’s after 3:00 p.m.  We need to get shelter set up, preferably before dark.  And please, no more slush today.  In the meantime, gotta strip off layers and evaporate some sweat.  Hey, I will call prospector.  He was here like last week.  Were there any slush pockets when you were here?  Yes, but they were no problem as I was not towing large amounts of cargo.  Ergh.

Then came the good decision that saved the day:  No summit fever.  Our favorite spot would be reserved for another day.  Let’s find some reasonable ice surface with at least 10 FOW and make do.  Make camp, get fishing.  Deal.  We stopped at a group fishing nearby to ask about slush.  “Slush?  What slush?”  They had seen none.  OK, let’s backtrack a bit, which we did, then we paused to find a good path to deeper water.

My snowmobile has a longer track with longer paddles (better slush escaping capability), so we unhooked my fishing sled and cargo sled, and I went exploring.  Found one slush pocket, then a path around it, and then made some circles farther out in to the lake until I figured the water would be as deep as we wanted.  Went back, hooked up, and we took the whole train out to the chosen spot.   Drilled a hole.  Hey!  13 FOW!  We have a home for the night!  And about 90 minutes of light.

After clearing some snow and setting up the shelter, we agreed that a shovel would sure be handy even if only for that task.  Hmmm.  More cargo… 

Hey ammondude, I’ll work on camp and you work on fishing.  OK!  Spoiler alert: From the moment he started fishing, until we left, there was not more than 15 minutes between bites.  For like 24 hours.  Best ice fishing action we ever, ever had.  Before you know it, he is icing and releasing some nice hybrids in the 16-18 inch range.  Hey, this will do!  After the beds were made, I put in a dead stick on my AK Salmonbear and also caught a nice hybrid.  They seemed to be about 2 lbs. and sooo beautiful.

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Even with the steady bite we managed to get camp set up by dark.  Here’s a look at this year’s camp site:

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With the steady action it was hard to pause for dinner, but somehow I got ammondude to heat up the brisket.  Check out his hot brisket sandwich on an onion bun.

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL19H.jpg)

Item to do better this year: Remember the Tang!  Check!  Oh man, that hot Tang hits the spot.  Totally recommendable.

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Fishing near the submersible light, watching the Aqua-Vu and the lx6-s is always so fun.  Before we knew it, it was like 10:00 p.m. and time for bed.  For about 90 minutes, ammondude would put a dead stick down the hole and turn to get ready for bed, only to get interrupted with fish on the screen(s) and/or biting.  Finally, he announced that he was not going to leave a line in the water overnight.  He pulled up, and got dressed for bed.   

How can you not put a line in the water overnight?  I rigged up a dead stick and turned to change my clothes.  Ding, ding, ding.  OK.  I iced a 2 lb. cut and gave in.  I kept it, declared I was also done fishing, and went to bed at nearly midnight.

Our sleeping system is solid.  The bunkbed cots, with extensions and foot pads, two sleeping pads and two zero degree bags on each level, are so comfy.  Between that and changing into clean, dry everything, it can’t be beat.  I got too warm a few times, then a little cool once, adjusting layers each time.  Ammondude was steady-comfortable all night.  We were so cozy that we slept until 8:30 a.m.!  As always, no heater needed overnight.

Finally, I climbed out of bed, turned on the heater, and then just got back in.  Ammondude got up and going, and got into fish.  Boom.  Like the night bite never ended.

Time to get going.  I got out of bed and got a pole in the water and the camera going, and got to changing clothes, eating breakfast, and fishing.  I got breakfast in me and my lower half dressed, then took off my night-time top layers and started getting my top half dressed, when a BIG fish caught my eye on the camera.  “Big fish!  Big fish!”  I grabbed the rod and jigged a little and the big brute went right for it, and I set the hook. “It’s really big!”  Ammondude rushed in to help but was called outside by a ringing bell on one of his poles.  Four one-handed tries later, I pulled out a rainbow/cutt hybrid 2 oz short of my PB, at 8 lb 2 oz.  Threw my bib suspenders over my shoulder and popped outside for a picture.

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL19J.jpg)

Got some more clothing on and took a few more.  Gotta get that Ice Shanty logo in the shot.

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL19K.jpg)

Here is what the average fish interaction looked like for most of the trip:



And here is a large one that didn’t bite.  These get the heart pounding:



We went on to catch others, but when I iced a 3 pounder, I declared success and was done.  Gotta love it when the three pounder looks small.

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL19L.jpg)

Finally ammondude got a 4 lb 3 oz hybrid.  Beautiful.

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL19M.jpg)

Eventually he kept a second fish and was also done.

It snowed most of the time we were there, and from lunchtime, on, and as we packed up, with temps rising to the 20’s, the the FF9416i got saturated with moisture, and the pole ends in the center of the shelter started a terrible drip, like real bad!  If that had happened during the night it would have been untenable.  The shelter is a little short, and my back was a little sore by the time we were done, from not standing straight inside.   And the zippers got a little stubborn, frozen I think.  Despite all that, I still like it for overnight, but I gotta figure out how to prep for those drips if they ever happen overnight. Maybe they won’t, as we don’t run the heater in the night and the top should just be frozen.

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL19N.jpg)

Time to pack up and get going.  I hope we don’t find new slush on the way to the car.  We got everything packed, and went to fold up the shelter, and it was so saturated and frozen that it collapsed this much only:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL19O.jpg)

Holy crud!  That won’t fit anywhere, let alone fitting in the bag!!  We finally experienced "can’t get the Eskimo shelter in the bag."  No way to attach it anywhere for transport.  We just need to leave it here and make an extra run to come get it.  Good thing we’re not 2 miles from the truck this year!

Started the snowmobiles to make sure they weren’t frozen in place.  Mine was a little bit, but broke free easily enough.  Ammondude’s would spin the track but wouldn’t go anywhere.  Turns out that in addition to the four inches of ice on top of the skis, there was 2-3 in inches of ice on the bottom of the skis, all left over from our wet fun the day before.  We used my ice chisel to clear the ski bottoms and it was fine.  We got back to the truck without incident (whew).  Here’s the whole train minus the shelter:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL19P.jpg)

A quick and uneventful return trip for the shelter, and before you know it, we’re packed up for the road.  Time to head home as the sun sets, about 5:00 p.m.

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL19Q.jpg)

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL19R.jpg)

A customary Big Mac on the drive home, and a big fillet party two days later.

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL19S.jpg)

Simply amazing.

OK, last year’s identified improvements:

-Limit Ammondude to one brisket sandwich: Check!
-Remember the Tang: Check!
-Add another Jet Sled XL, Shappell HD hitch, cover, and an Otter hitch receiver: Check!  Great add.
-Convert the box sled to use a Shappell HD hitch: Didn’t get this done, but got the hardware built for the conversion.
-Consider a backup/secondary heat source: Took the portable buddy heater and extra fuel, and didn’t touch them, but we’re glad we took them.  We’re likely to have a backup heat source with us in the future.
-Take a folding stool for the old man sleeping on the top bunk: Check!  A good add.
-Take more and better trip documentation pics: Check!
-Record some Aqua-Vu video: Check, but we still missed some great footage.
-Get a more accurate measurement of propane usage: The Big Buddy used 1.1 gallons (~4.62 lb), less than half of the 11 lb cylinder capacity.  I was surprised, as we had the heater on for probably > 6 hours, much of that time on high.

Did right:

-Ditched the original destination and found a different place to camp.
-Waterproof boots saved us, big time.  Good footwear is such an imperative.
-Extra clothing made ammondude’s time a lot better.  He had some saturated layers after the slush fun.
-Covers on the cargo sleds saved bedding and heaters in the slush party.

What to do better next time:

-Consider adding a small shovel, like my avalanche shovel or some such, to clear snow for the shelter.
-Get back to an earlier start with pre-Noon arrival.  Much better.
-Pack some extra straps to carry a frozen shelter on one of the loaded sleds if needed.
-Ammondude tuck in yer pants in case of slush.
-Find more non-cotton clothing.
-Figure out a slush hand signal to have the guy in back stop even though the guy in front is gunning it through the slush.
-Record even more underwater video, by leaving the unit in record mode instead of waiting for fish to appear before hitting the Rec button.

Lingering concerns:

-Newer snowmobiles would not get slush-stuck as easily… Ergh.
-What do do about the 9416i drips?

Future:

Some day I may customize a flip-over for solo runs.  Maybe a clam X300, sleeper-style like the Utah guys and prospector build.

Whew.  Long read.   But shorter than watching prospector’s most recent video…  ;)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: missoulafish on Jan 08, 2020, 09:22 PM
That was FANTASTIC Steve !!!😊😊😊😊
Thanks for sharing!!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: vancouvercanuck on Jan 08, 2020, 09:35 PM
Great read and great fishing!!!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: IceAddict87 on Jan 08, 2020, 10:04 PM
Looked like fun! This time next week I will be on a lake in my Eskimo reading ice shanty posts while jigging for walleye or anything that will bite. I hope the bite is as good for me as it was for you guys! I will give a full report after the trip is complete. I’m going solo since nobody else was willing to try it!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: prospector on Jan 09, 2020, 12:17 AM
I am so happy for you Steve!. Congratulations on a great trip. I couldn’t believe how big your smile was holding that fish. Couldn’t of happened to a nicer guy! I am off to flaming Gorge for the next six or seven days and will be camping on the ice as well. I have 20 movies downloaded on my RT nine fishfinder. 😂 I will try and put a video together and share a link on this great  thread. Thanks for taking the time as always and putting such a great post together.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: RickWakeman on Jan 09, 2020, 09:26 AM
Looks like an awesome trip. I hope to be able to do something like that one day. :tipup:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 09, 2020, 10:41 AM
Anyone want to join me for a little camping tonight?  :whistle:


(https://i.postimg.cc/kBbDvF7z/Capture1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kBbDvF7z)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: IceAddict87 on Jan 09, 2020, 11:46 AM
I’m all about adventure but a guy has to have limits. The weather for me next week looks like negative highs but like -13 for low and 0 or so for highs......
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Philip on Jan 09, 2020, 12:02 PM
Anyone want to join me for a little camping tonight?  :whistle:


(https://i.postimg.cc/kBbDvF7z/Capture1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kBbDvF7z)

We fished in -23 last year with feels-like at -50 last year when Chicago got hit with a cold front, the fishing was nonstop and we managed to stay pretty toasty. The walk back to the car was cold but bearable. Would def like to try that out!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FrozenJig on Jan 09, 2020, 12:06 PM
Wow, great fish & great read, very captivating! Thanks for taking the time to share
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: 800stealth on Jan 09, 2020, 12:36 PM
Great story Steve, was a pleasure to read. I'm guessing this post and its pics could easily be turned into a magazine article and sold to cover the costs of the next adventure...
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Luckydog on Jan 09, 2020, 12:53 PM
Outstanding story.  Sounds like a great adventure. I especially like the "after action" portion of your post. Learning something new from each trip is what it's all about.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 09, 2020, 01:45 PM
Hey Steve!  Great post brother!  Happy to see the thread come back around...maybe next year Ill fly or drive out to join!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: mr.clean on Jan 09, 2020, 06:26 PM
FG Steve, Thank for sharing the photos from and story of this year trip with Ammondude. Good to read you were able to free your snow mobiles from the slush.  The details you share and post trip comments a helpful to everyone planing or thinking of doing such a trip.Congratulations to the two of you on your catch. :clap: :clap: :thumbsup:




Drifter_016 I'm not enough of a ice fishing Diehard to attempt a over night trip in that temperature range. How much fire wood do think would be burned to keep the outfitter tent near twenty degrees C /70 F . Also if needed who would I cuddle with You or your canine buddy Shatu. ::) :whistle:

Steve
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 09, 2020, 11:36 PM
I’ve spent several week long trips camping out in a popup at 40 below.  With the proper gear it’s very doable and very comfortable and the fishing can be phenomenal.  The temps up at the lake right now are sitting around -39 and they are forecasted to drop down around -50 tomorrow and sat.  I kind of want to go up for those temps but I broke a bunch of stuff on the last trip when it was only -32. It sucks when gear gets old.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: curtrein on Jan 10, 2020, 06:15 AM
Awesome thread guys! The holy grail for most ice fisherman!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 11, 2020, 12:07 PM
I have the fatfish 9416i paired with 2 buddy heaters, doubled up 0 degree sleeping bags and a cot. Comfortably fits and fishs 2. We usually bring totes to store food, sleeping equipment and other necessary items that cannot get wet. ...Cot makes good rod holders....

FC, are you using two Portable Buddy heaters?  I assume it's not two Big Buddy heaters.  Where do you place them?  As we also use a 9416i, I'm interested in how you use the floor space.  Here is our basic layout, built onto the diagram from geteskimo.com:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/ff9416_diagram.jpg)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: fatty crusher on Jan 11, 2020, 12:30 PM
FC, are you using two Portable Buddy heaters?  I assume it's not two Big Buddy heaters.  Where do you place them?  As we also use a 9416i, I'm interested in how you use the floor space.  Here is our basic layout, built onto the diagram from geteskimo.com:

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/ff9416_diagram.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/YLNFzgQV/2020-01-11-13-21-06.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YLNFzgQV)
 A quick cartoon... there isn't nearly that much extra space. We keep food, sleeping bags and anything we can't afford to get wet in totes. Haven't had a chance to actually drive on a lake so we haul everything with man power. I inherited a decent sized truck bed box maybe 3 by 3 by 2.5 feet, we will see if it can hold everything we need for a couple night trip. The totes actually come in handy as tables and holding electronics. I like their design if only we had bunks but I see that getting unstable on melting snow/ice. We bring 2 buddy heaters just in case one fails or whatever. I believe it mainly depends on how good your sleeping bags are on how much heat you need the buddy's pumping out. They were little buddy heaters but I purchased the big buddy and am waiting to use. Will be trying out after the brainerd jaycees, there hasn't been great ice here in pa so I am waiting to go back north. Were thinking lake of the woods or the bwca area so the temps should be great. I'm sure there is much room for improvements but for the most part we just head out to have a good time and catch some fish.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 11, 2020, 02:37 PM
A quick cartoon... there isn't nearly that much extra space. We keep food, sleeping bags and anything we can't afford to get wet in totes. The totes actually come in handy as tables and holding electronics.

Thanks for the reply and the map!  Yes the space is nice for fishing, cooking, eating, changing, etc.  I should probably add the food coolers and clothing bags to the floor plan map, though the bags usually sit on the Action Packers.  If we emulated your setup, we could sleep four, but I think it would be too crowded when not sleeping.

What are your totes?  We really like and use Rubbermaid Action Packers, but some of our stay-dry stuff is not in them--sometimes we bag that stuff, and after our slush fun this year we'll probably do more of that.

Quote
I like their design if only we had bunks but I see that getting unstable on melting snow/ice.

Our cots are Disc-O-Bed size L, with extensions and foot pads.

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL16H.jpg)

http://www.discobed.com/cots/disc-o-bed-l-with-organizers/ (http://www.discobed.com/cots/disc-o-bed-l-with-organizers/)

Size L is more narrow at 28" but we find that to be plenty of sleeping room.

To be clear, these are unquestionably inconvenient to set up and take down.  But once assembled, they are totally solid.  We have never had any inkling of instability at all.  I think the foot pads make a big difference there.  We are totally sold on the cots despite the inconvenient set up and take down.

Quote
We bring 2 buddy heaters just in case one fails or whatever. I believe it mainly depends on how good your sleeping bags are on how much heat you need the buddy's pumping out. They were little buddy heaters but I purchased the big buddy and am waiting to use.

Sorry to be a pain--this is the Portable Buddy:

(https://www.mrheater.com/media/catalog/product/cache/bf43c64bf3e5e791ff08ae0a046d7cb7/p/o/portable-buddy-100x704.jpg)

And this is the Little Buddy:

(https://www.mrheater.com/media/catalog/product/cache/bf43c64bf3e5e791ff08ae0a046d7cb7/m/h/mh4b-web-images-700x700.jpg)

(see https://www.mrheater.com/product/heaters/buddy-series.html (https://www.mrheater.com/product/heaters/buddy-series.html))

Are you using two Portable Buddy or two Little Buddy heaters?  I am trying to compare BTU/output.  Two Portables on high = one Big on high.

I hope your Big Buddy is the older model with the fan.  I really like the fan.

We have never done any overnight sleeping with the heater running, so far.

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for the most part we just head out to have a good time and catch some fish.

I totally agree.  And I love sleeping comfortably in the cold.

Have you ever run into the water dripping problem in your FF9416i on a snowy day, like we did this time?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: danger1337 on Jan 11, 2020, 05:19 PM
Great stuff, very jealous
Had thoughts about early ice over nighting as the weather wasn't too bad.
Last couple nights have been -25C

Been on the look out for a smaller wood stove and maybe rigging up one of my single tents to use with it.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 12, 2020, 04:01 PM
I’ve spent several week long trips camping out in a popup at 40 below.

AKH, that is amazing.  It would be great to hear as much detail about your setup as you are willing to share.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 12, 2020, 08:28 PM
AKH, that is amazing.  It would be great to hear as much detail about your setup as you are willing to share.

Years ago I wrote a big list in a thread over in the ice shack tips section, I bumped it to the top so you guys can read it.  Before I built my hardside 5 years ago I spent mostly week long trips and a few 2 week long trips staying in a portable fishing in some pretty remote country.  A trip might start with good weather but it can change a lot in a weeks time so you have to be prepared for any temp.  The biggest piece of advice I can give for a weekend warrior would be to keep it simple and don’t overthink it.  Camping on the ice is really no different than camping on land except that your floor will melt and it’s cold out.  The more comfortable you want it the more crap you have to drag around so keep that in mind. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: IceAddict87 on Jan 12, 2020, 08:54 PM
I’m leaving for South Dakota Wednesday morning and hope to be on the lake by late morning. Hoping for good weather on the drive up there. I already have most of my gear packed, going to use my Eskimo 6120i hub shack as a base camp/sleeping quarters and then my otter lodge as my mobile setup. Did a trial setup in the garage last week and although it was not exactly as I imagined it in my head, it will work. I got a slumberjack big cot which is enormous! Will be using one sleeping bag as a pad and my 0 degree to sleep in. The cot did not fit to one wall like I had imagined but It did create a great storage space for my totes. Still leaves plenty of room for a chair, two ice holes and an area to setup my camp stove. I also have foam floor mats under the cot as well as for the heater and one for my feet in the morning, cooler will fit under the cot and a tent light/fan will help circulate the air, also planning to use some 12v led lights I got off amazon to light the shack, extremely bright! Supper will hopefully be perch otherwise I plan to bring some chili and heat it on the camp stove. Breakfast will be a jimmy dean breakfast sandwich warmed in foil on the buddy heater, lunch will be a deli meat sandwich both Wednesday and Thursday. The goal is to stay on the lake from late morning Wednesday until late Thursday afternoon, if the fish aren’t biting I may move on to another lake closer to where I’m meeting the group of guys I am fishing with Friday and Saturday. This is the first time I’ve done anything like this, four days of nothing but ice fishing. I will have a full report when I get back, I doubt it will be as good as FG Steve’s but I bet I will have just as much fun!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 12, 2020, 09:16 PM
Years ago I wrote a big list in a thread over in the ice shack tips section, I bumped it to the top so you guys can read it.  Before I built my hardside 5 years ago I spent mostly week long trips and a few 2 week long trips staying in a portable fishing in some pretty remote country.  A trip might start with good weather but it can change a lot in a weeks time so you have to be prepared for any temp.  The biggest piece of advice I can give for a weekend warrior would be to keep it simple and don’t overthink it.  Camping on the ice is really no different than camping on land except that your floor will melt and it’s cold out.  The more comfortable you want it the more crap you have to drag around so keep that in mind.

 @)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QVZb30cD/P3280017.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QVZb30cD)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 12, 2020, 09:30 PM
Case in point, as comfortable as possible. 👍
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 12, 2020, 10:22 PM
Years ago I wrote a big list in a thread over in the ice shack tips section, I bumped it to the top so you guys can read it.

Thanks!  If I understand correctly, this is the post to which you are referring:

https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=209782.msg2081929#msg2081929 (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=209782.msg2081929#msg2081929)

Thanks for hightlighting that older thread.  I had not discovered it before.

Good tips!  I'll second a few of them specifically:
-heater on a crate
-guy lines all the sides as a rule
-propane heat gives off a lot of moisture [I put a tarp over my sleeping bag until bedtime]
-spare stuff

Drifter is still the king in my book:

https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3437870#msg3437870 (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3437870#msg3437870)

100 miles out via snowmobile at biting NWT temps!! Dave, Did the images originally on that post get lost in the Photobucket mess?

I will have a full report when I get back

Totally looking forward to that!  Good luck and safe travels!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 13, 2020, 04:51 PM
ave, Did the images originally on that post get lost in the Photobucket mess?


Yup, you can thank PB for that Steve.

You can see them all here though:


Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: beachwoods 16 on Jan 14, 2020, 06:34 AM
I have a small shanty and have overnighted till about 15 degrees. You can buy air activated body warmers (like the hand warmers only bigger) You can get a ten pack at walmart for 6 bucks or so. I put one just above the elastic on the legs my thermals. And a couple on my body.  If the shelter is small, A lantern turned way down will raise the temp of the shelter without burning tons of o2. Drinking water is  important.   
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: fatty crusher on Jan 14, 2020, 09:44 AM
Thanks for the reply and the map!  Yes the space is nice for fishing, cooking, eating, changing, etc.  I should probably add the food coolers and clothing bags to the floor plan map, though the bags usually sit on the Action Packers.  If we emulated your setup, we could sleep four, but I think it would be too crowded when not sleeping.

What are your totes?  We really like and use Rubbermaid Action Packers, but some of our stay-dry stuff is not in them--sometimes we bag that stuff, and after our slush fun this year we'll probably do more of that.

Our cots are Disc-O-Bed size L, with extensions and foot pads.

(http://stevelarsen.com/ice_shanty/HL16H.jpg)

http://www.discobed.com/cots/disc-o-bed-l-with-organizers/ (http://www.discobed.com/cots/disc-o-bed-l-with-organizers/)

Size L is more narrow at 28" but we find that to be plenty of sleeping room.

To be clear, these are unquestionably inconvenient to set up and take down.  But once assembled, they are totally solid.  We have never had any inkling of instability at all.  I think the foot pads make a big difference there.  We are totally sold on the cots despite the inconvenient set up and take down.

Sorry to be a pain--this is the Portable Buddy:

(https://www.mrheater.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/h/mh9bx-clipped-700x700-2019.jpg)

And this is the Little Buddy:

(https://www.mrheater.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/h/mh4b-web-images-700x700.jpg)

(see https://www.mrheater.com/product/heaters/buddy-series.html (https://www.mrheater.com/product/heaters/buddy-series.html))

Are you using two Portable Buddy or two Little Buddy heaters?  I am trying to compare BTU/output.  Two Portables on high = one Big on high.

I hope your Big Buddy is the older model with the fan.  I really like the fan.

We have never done any overnight sleeping with the heater running, so far.

I totally agree.  And I love sleeping comfortably in the cold.

Have you ever run into the water dripping problem in your FF9416i on a snowy day, like we did this time?
Yes we had the portable buddies. Thank you for the clarity. As for dripping we didn't have any. I dont know if it was just to cold and we had a frozen shell or what.  I dont really see the pop ups as being water proof, it is more of a cloth material. I'm not sure why. I know when camping in a tent if you touch the ceiling and it is really moist, the water will penetrate the material and keep on dripping.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: BeenPerchin315 on Jan 14, 2020, 03:17 PM
Yes we had the portable buddies. Thank you for the clarity. As for dripping we didn't have any. I dont know if it was just to cold and we had a frozen shell or what.  I dont really see the pop ups as being water proof, it is more of a cloth material. I'm not sure why. I know when camping in a tent if you touch the ceiling and it is really moist, the water will penetrate the material and keep on dripping.
When I used to camp on ice often I took a tarp out to go over all but the door on my hub and that took away the moisture/frost on everything but the door area
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ActiveTrapChecker on Jan 14, 2020, 04:02 PM
When I used to camp on ice often I took a tarp out to go over all but the door on my hub and that took away the moisture/frost on everything but the door area

Was your hub insulated? Wondering if that would make a difference
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Gunflint on Jan 14, 2020, 04:08 PM
Was your hub insulated? Wondering if that would make a difference

Insulated makes a big difference, but also how much wind and the actual temps make a difference as well.

For real winter camping in harsh conditions, the best tent is unwaxed canvas. The condensation actually hits the wall/roof and is wicked to the outside where it evaporates or sublimates. They don't drip as long as you keep them warm with a stove.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Jan 15, 2020, 12:34 PM
Was your hub insulated? Wondering if that would make a difference

Both my Clam hub and my flip are that real heavy, super insulated fabric and they don't drip much at all.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 15, 2020, 01:41 PM
Both my Clam hub and my flip are that real heavy, super insulated fabric and they don't drip much at all.

My uninsulated QF6 will get frozen condensation inside, then that condensation will melt and drip inside if you warm up the hut.

My insulated FF9416i normally does not drip at all, but on the recent trip, around mid-day, we had a combination of warm tent, steady snowfall, lots of propane heat hours inside, and somewhat warm outside temps (20s) that teamed up to soak the insulated fabric clear through.  Then, the water flowed downhill to drip from the pockets that hold the rod ends, in the ceiling.  There was also a little dripping from the seam, but that was very minor in comparison.

I'll figure out how to deal with these problems for now, rather than graduate to a canvas wall tent for one-night trips.  However, wall tent or alaknak, and wood stove, seem to be the best for extended trips, a la Drifter.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Philip on Jan 15, 2020, 02:04 PM
My uninsulated QF6 will get frozen condensation inside, then that condensation will melt and drip inside if you warm up the hut.

My insulated FF9416i normally does not drip at all, but on the recent trip, around mid-day, we had a combination of warm tent, steady snowfall, lots of propane heat hours inside, and somewhat warm outside temps (20s) that teamed up to soak the insulated fabric clear through.  Then, the water flowed downhill to drip from the pockets that hold the rod ends, in the ceiling.  There was also a little dripping from the seam, but that was very minor in comparison.

I'll figure out how to deal with these problems for now, rather than graduate to a canvas wall tent for one-night trips.  However, wall tent or alkanak, and wood stove, seem to be the best for extended trips, a la Drifter.

Do you find that youre 9416 frosts up on the inside? When the temp gets around 10 or below lots of the shanty will frost over on the inside walls. They dont drip but they do get frosty, starting on the insulation stitching
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Jan 15, 2020, 02:38 PM
My uninsulated QF6 will get frozen condensation inside, then that condensation will melt and drip inside if you warm up the hut.

My insulated FF9416i normally does not drip at all, but on the recent trip, around mid-day, we had a combination of warm tent, steady snowfall, lots of propane heat hours inside, and somewhat warm outside temps (20s) that teamed up to soak the insulated fabric clear through.  Then, the water flowed downhill to drip from the pockets that hold the rod ends, in the ceiling.  There was also a little dripping from the seam, but that was very minor in comparison.

I'll figure out how to deal with these problems for now, rather than graduate to a canvas wall tent for one-night trips.  However, wall tent or alkanak, and wood stove, seem to be the best for extended trips, a la Drifter.

Oh yeah, I can see that being an issue in the perfect combination of events. So far I am super impressed by the way the Clam insulates but I know there will be that time!

Steve, any suggestions on a boot dryer or method to dry boots? It's probably my biggest issue. I sweat like crazy, I can't seem to do anything about my feet getting wet. They are NEVER cold, so it's just dealing with putting on damp boots in the morning, then once I take 10 steps they are at sweat level again... At home I use a boot dryer, it's like my favorite thing. Even my work shoes go on it when I come home.

I take out my boot liners and put them in the attic mesh storage to hopefully dry every night but the boots themselves are damp.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Jan 15, 2020, 03:14 PM
Oh yeah, I can see that being an issue in the perfect combination of events. So far I am super impressed by the way the Clam insulates but I know there will be that time!

Steve, any suggestions on a boot dryer or method to dry boots? It's probably my biggest issue. I sweat like crazy, I can't seem to do anything about my feet getting wet. They are NEVER cold, so it's just dealing with putting on damp boots in the morning, then once I take 10 steps they are at sweat level again... At home I use a boot dryer, it's like my favorite thing. Even my work shoes go on it when I come home.

I take out my boot liners and put them in the attic mesh storage to hopefully dry every night but the boots themselves are damp.

A little off topic from boot dryers but, my feet sweat a lot and the best thing I have found is Baffin Titans.  I will wear them all day and the liners stay dry on the inside however if you pull them out or put you hand between the rubber boot and the out side surface of the liner it will be soaking wet.  The liner does an incredible job wicking the moisture away from your feet.  The only down side is that they are little like wearing a slipper ice fishing in that they do not have a lot of support.   
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 15, 2020, 07:07 PM
To stop the drips in the noninsulated and insulated shacks you need to do the tarp over the top of the shack.  All my shacks have tarps prefastened to the shack for easy setup in the field.  Make sure not to cover vents and windows to allow for ventilation.  The tarp is also handy to have already on top the shack for summer camping as well.  For you guys with wet feet I wear a wicking booty called a Bama sock over my socks.  It wicks the moisture away from your foot and holds it in the Bama sock so it keeps your socks and boots dry.  The Bama sock dries really fast once you take them off, just don’t wash them because it degrades the wicking capability of the sock.  For 20 bucks a pair I just buy new ones every year.  When it comes to camping in the pop ups I’ve pretty much seen and done everything so if you guys have any questions at all please feel free to ask and I will try to answer them as best I can.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Jan 16, 2020, 07:51 AM
A little off topic from boot dryers but, my feet sweat a lot and the best thing I have found is Baffin Titans.  I will wear them all day and the liners stay dry on the inside however if you pull them out or put you hand between the rubber boot and the out side surface of the liner it will be soaking wet.  The liner does an incredible job wicking the moisture away from your feet.  The only down side is that they are little like wearing a slipper ice fishing in that they do not have a lot of support.

I wear a pair of Baffin Boots, the Wolf. They do wick well but I may have to see about getting new liners because it's gotten thin. I use them for snowmobiling to so they boots get a lot of wear. My Wolfs don't have a ton of support either but man are they light.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 16, 2020, 01:47 PM
Steve, any suggestions on a boot dryer or method to dry boots? It's probably my biggest issue.

I don't have any magic bullets for you on that one.  And I'm fortunate enough not to share your situation entirely.  My boots are OK for a one-night trip and could probably last for more.

Lotsa extra socks?
Spare boots?
Spare liners?

The only 12V boot dryer I know of is the DryGuy Travel Dry DX (https://dryguy.implus.com/product/dryguy-travel-dry-dx).

Reviews are mixed but mostly positive, and REI says it draws 13 watts.  If that's true and my math and application of Ohm's law are right, then you need 8.66 Ah to use it for 8 hrs, so a cold 12+ Ah SLA might do it.  My Goal Zero Yeti 150 is about 150 Wh capacity and has been terrific.  Hmmm.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 16, 2020, 09:30 PM
My bunnys just need a wipe to dry them out.
Wear a poly liner sock with merino wool over and change them out daily.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: IceAddict87 on Jan 28, 2020, 09:35 PM
Ok I said I would give a report when I got back from my fishing/ice camping trip so here it is. This is mostly due to FG steve’s Pm promoting me to tell my story.

First thought that comes to mind is epic failure. I left iowa on a Wednesday morning at about 3 AM. The plan was to be to my destination in South Dakota by 10:30, fishing by 11:30. About jackknifed the pickup and trailer just getting onto the highway within 1 mile of my house! After 3hrs of driving on ice covered roads I made it to the Minnesota border, by then it was cold enough that the precipitation was all snow, it was 23 degrees and freezing rain...... good times. Stopped for fuel and a quick browse around fleet farm to loosen up and clear my head, bought some more jigs I really didn’t need and hit the road. 20 minutes later it started snowing and I was again driving on crappy snow covered roads for the next 2.5hrs. After a quick bathroom break and stretch I grabbed the sandwich I made the night before out of the cooler and got back on the road. Pulled into the local bait shop 45 minutes later, it was now 12:30, 2hrs behind schedule. After buying bait and a few more things I didn’t need the guy at the bait shop gave me a map and circled some areas to try, said I would catch fish at any of them.

After having to turn around yet again (forgot the beer) I was on my way to the lake. Once I arrived at the boat ramp I unloaded my otter and my atv and headed out to the lake, the wind was a brisk north sustained wind at 20+ mph with an actual temp of -4. I setup quick and immediately caught a perch. Within five minutes I had caught my personal best perch. With it being close to 3 by I decided I better set up camp. After 3 loads using my otter with the jet sled behind it I had all my gear out to the spot. After digging and clearing snow to setup my eskimo 6120i i got my trusty 11 year old makita drill and put in all six ice anchors, after the last one the battery died..... mostly from the cold but also I think the batteries could be getting a little tired. The wind did not let up whatsoever in this whole time. I started popping the hubs and was able to get it all popped out and set, with the help of a couple of the hubs being supported by the guy lines. I immediately drilled my fish hole and got the heater going. After setting up my cot and getting my bed situated I hunkered down.

The Time was 545 pm and it was now dark, this is when I started questioning my decision to try this. The actual temp outside was -10 and even with the big buddy heater on high it was still very cold in my shack. All of the things that could go wrong started to run through my head, besides the fact that I was cold and felt totally under prepared even though I had been prepping for over a month. I ate my canned soup I heated up on my butane stove and pondered my situation I have 3 kids at home who depend on me and I want to make sure I am there for them. I gave in and called the econo lodge to see about a room. I started packing my stuff and making trips to the pickup.

What do I think I did wrong?
#1 My cot was way too big! Took too much space and did not fit the 6120 very well, I thing the double long shack would also be a better choice.
#2 the conditions were terrible, I should have given in and gotten a hotel room earlier in the day.
#3 find someone who would be interested in going along so I wasn’t alone.
#4 setup camp first then fish.

The trip was not a total failure, the next day I was on the lake by 7 and fished all day long catching a great limit of perch! I met up with my friends that night At the rental house we had rented, And fished another lake all day Friday. I don’t know if I will try it again but it was definitely an experience. I will continue to watch this thread to learn everything I can!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Jan 28, 2020, 10:01 PM
Did you happen to take any pics of how you had the inside of your 1620i laid out? I just bought one to upgrade from my 949i (the 6120i has 20 sq ft more space) and I had no trouble fitting a cot in my 949i. But maybe the 6-hub configuration is a little more awkward than the 4-hub.

I'm not thrilled to hear the big buddy wasnt enough to heat the bigger shack. That's something I hadn't thought about when buying a larger shack. Plus I got have the portable buddy heater. May need to upgrade to a wood stove for longer trips or when I can drive my truck to my spot.

Thanks for the report! I'll be spending 3 nights in my 6120i next weekend during the opening weekend of our sturgeon spearing season. I'll make sure to post my own report when I'm back.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: IceAddict87 on Jan 28, 2020, 10:44 PM
 My cot is a slumberjack big cot which is huge! I’m 6’5” so I wanted a big comfy cot. It’s just a little to big. When it was up against the wall it created some dead space, I put my totes in that space but it was very inconvenient to grab stuff from them. It was extremely cold and windy that night. The next day i fished out of my otter lodge and ran the heater on low or medium most of the day and fished in a sweat shirt, outside temp was -18 with a high of -8 but there wasn’t any wind that day.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Jan 28, 2020, 10:53 PM
Makes sense, you mentioned your cot was big and I missed that part. Mine is a more standard size cot since I'm only 6', and it fit nicely along one side of my 949i. I'm hoping the 6120i has similar sized sides (just 2 more for added room) and the cot still fits well against one wall.

I'm curious, did your 6120i come with a clip on license holder for displaying owner information? I got one with my 949i and will need it for when I leave my shack unattended. If the 6120i comes with one, too, I can give the other one to the person who buys the 949i, otherwise I'll keep it.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: hlabrada on Jan 29, 2020, 08:57 AM
Consider getting some cheap foam yoga squares from walmart.  Keeps the floor warm and dry.
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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Jan 29, 2020, 09:23 AM
Yeah, I've got the interlocking fatigue mats from Harbor Freight, and will likely top thos with a rubber bottom rug. Problem is a lot of lakes around here and further north have slush and water on top of the ice. Next week looks cold enough to solidify all that crud on top of the ice before my trip though, fingers crossed!


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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: hlabrada on Jan 29, 2020, 09:44 AM
You are right GBguy, the mats suck if there is slush on the lake.  I only bring them out when we have a nice clean surface.  Aside from that, like not have to walk around puddles of water because of the heater.   I have the Clam XL6000T, which is full thermal....good that it really traps the heat, but the floor becomes a small lake!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Jan 29, 2020, 10:36 AM
I do not use any floor, the bottom of the tub of my flip over has marine carpet in it, so I just take my boots off and step in the sled. I tired the interlocking mats but they really don't do anything for warmth (ice is actually a fantastic insulator) and I got really angry when they froze to the ice. Really can not understand the appeal of a floor in a portable shanty, the best thing about portables is having no floor.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Jan 29, 2020, 10:51 AM
Ice is a great insulator, until it melts. Wanna have some fun, fill your sled with 2" of water and step into that first thing in the morning.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 29, 2020, 06:38 PM
Wanna have some fun, fill your sled with 2" of water and step into that first thing in the morning.

Wow!   If you are making 2" puddles then you are heating things up much more than we ever do.  Before we started using a crate we might get a wet spot in front of the heater, but not so much now.  Ice and snow melt a bit, but no puddles for sure.  And with no heater overnight, things are pretty solid in the morning.

Might get warm enough to take off the coat and hat, but that's it.  No sitting around in your socks or anything.  Besides if I'm in my socks I can't run outside when a bell rings!

Since we started putting the Harbor Freight floor pads under the cot, the cot doesn't end up wet like it used to.  And with no flip over tub to step into, the pads are nice for changing clothes.  And that's all we use them for.  Personal preference thing, I guess.

Interesting conversation.

Ok I said I would give a report when I got back from my fishing/ice camping trip so here it is.

IA87, thanks for the report and lessons learned!  Negative temps and high winds are nasty.  What do you normally wear out on the ice?  I'm curious as you said you were cold.  If you can't get warm, then something is wrong and you need to act.  Glad you acted and were safe.  I'm also curious if you ever set things up in advance.

Slumberjack Big Cot is a nice sleeping platform.  I'm 6'5" and have one of those, too.  I have winter camped on it comfortably but not on the ice so far.

I hope you can have a successful overnight sometime!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 29, 2020, 09:05 PM
When I would run my quick fish 6 I would always have 2 heaters going once it got down around 10 above at night.  I use a big buddy and a little buddy together down to around 20 below, any colder and I really need to run two big buddies.  I used to run two sunflowers on high once it got colder than 35 below, and once it gets past 45 below things start to get a little uncomfortable.  I also run plywood floors for my shacks and I block them up with 4x4’s so my heat needs are probably a lot less then a no floor setup.  I have camped out several times at 40 below with floors and without and having a dry surface to stand on makes a big difference when your camping for a week or more.  For you guys just doing single over nights I recommend an indoor out door rug.  It will freeze in a little but as long as you have your heaters blocked up it shouldn’t be to bad.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: wyogator on Jan 29, 2020, 10:39 PM
Steve, any suggestions on a boot dryer or method to dry boots? It's probably my biggest issue. I sweat like crazy, I can't seem to do anything about my feet getting wet. They are NEVER cold, so it's just dealing with putting on damp boots in the morning, then once I take 10 steps they are at sweat level again... At home I use a boot dryer, it's like my favorite thing. Even my work shoes go on it when I come home.

I take out my boot liners and put them in the attic mesh storage to hopefully dry every night but the boots themselves are damp.
Peet makes a propane boot dryer.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: badger132 on Jan 29, 2020, 10:47 PM
Use Muck boots and change socks. Take the moisture out with the socks.
You can also use antiperspirant on your feet to slow things down.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: IceAddict87 on Jan 29, 2020, 10:54 PM

IA87, thanks for the report and lessons learned!  Negative temps and high winds are nasty.  What do you normally wear out on the ice?  I'm curious as you said you were cold.  If you can't get warm, then something is wrong and you need to act.  Glad you acted and were safe.  I'm also curious if you ever set things up in advance.

Slumberjack Big Cot is a nice sleeping platform.  I'm 6'5" and have one of those, too.  I have winter camped on it comfortably but not on the ice so far.

I hope you can have a successful overnight sometime!
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I have a striker predator suit. I wasn’t necessarily cold, it was colder in the shack than I would like it to be. The cot is amazing but it might be a bit big for ice camping.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Jan 30, 2020, 07:25 AM
Peet makes a propane boot dryer.

Well what do you know, so they do!! Amazon, $99. I very well may have to try it. I have two 3 day trips planned this season.

Thanks!! I was focused on battery power.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 31, 2020, 07:15 PM
Peet makes a propane boot dryer.

Well what do you know, so they do!! Amazon, $99. I very well may have to try it. I have two 3 day trips planned this season.

Thanks!! I was focused on battery power.

That thing has to kick the electric option's butt.  It looks big, but hey if you need it.  Please tell us what you get and how it works!

Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Jan 31, 2020, 10:18 PM
Propane heat is inherently a "wet" heat, I wonder how they circumvent that.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Feb 01, 2020, 01:56 AM
My buddy has the propane boot dryer, we use it at moose camp.  It takes about a full 8 hours to dry your boots out but other than that it works pretty good. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: the force on Feb 01, 2020, 11:11 PM
 Thanks for all the tips, spent our first night out last weekend and it was awesome. It was warm, just below 0c though quite windy. Worked well in my 6 sided shelter (it’s a insulated HT 10.5’ diameter). Used 6 40” square by 3/4” takwando mats for the floor which worked great.  Ice to be able to take the muck boots off at night and not be sliding around on the ice.

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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Feb 04, 2020, 04:56 PM
What do you guys do for meals on the ice that can be cooked on your heater or small stove? I thought I'd pick up some dehydrated camping meals, but gawked at the $8-9 price tag for most.

I imagine a can of soup would heat up well, and theres always good ol' hot dogs. Any other ideas?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: prospector on Feb 04, 2020, 05:06 PM
Sausage and eggs in a frying pan. Breakfast burritos in foil. Cheddarwurst in foil. Cup o noodles. Cold cereal and milk. Doughnuts. Dominos pizza is good for the first few days. Canned soup is easy to warm up as well.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Feb 04, 2020, 06:56 PM
What do you guys do for meals on the ice that can be cooked on your heater or small stove? I thought I'd pick up some dehydrated camping meals, but gawked at the $8-9 price tag for most.

I imagine a can of soup would heat up well, and theres always good ol' hot dogs. Any other ideas?

Besides the lunch and dinner items I listed in a previous post (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3936994#msg3936994), I also like corned beef hash heated in a skillet.  Good, greasy, gassy, stoke-the-furnace food.

Thanks for all the tips, spent our first night out last weekend and it was awesome. It was warm, just below 0c though quite windy. Worked well in my 6 sided shelter (it’s a insulated HT 10.5’ diameter). Used 6 40” square by 3/4” takwando mats for the floor which worked great.  Ice to be able to take the muck boots off at night and not be sliding around on the ice.

Thanks for the report and pics.  Glad you had a good trip!  Any new tips or lessons learned?  Stuff you will do different next time?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: IceAddict87 on Feb 05, 2020, 08:57 AM
Most of the time I do deli meat sandwiches but once in awhile I’ll make breakfast burritos ahead of time, wrap them in foil and refrigerate. Throw it on top of the buddy heater to reheat and boom! Breakfast burritos on the ice! Also like using the buddy heater to make hot ham and cheese sandwiches.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Feb 05, 2020, 09:22 AM
Breakfast burritos are a good idea. Those can sit and warm up on the heater without much tending to while I stare down the sturgeon hole.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ActiveTrapChecker on Feb 05, 2020, 10:53 AM
I take my Coleman burner & grill combo when I will be out for the day. Can fry eggs for breakfast and grill venison for lunch. It would certainly make the trip if/when I camp overnight
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Feb 05, 2020, 12:09 PM
So I have been really wanting to give a camping report but we have had miserable ice here in NH this year. I can't get this beast out on the ice unless I can tow with my snowmobile, and it's been more of an "on foot" type of season. Even this upcoming weekend, supposed to be a big fishing derby and supposed to fish all weekend, well those plans are out the window since the lakes are all questionable.

As for the boot dryer, I'm not super keen on the thing taking all night. I may just have to continue what I do, take the liners out and put them in the gear net/attic for the night.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: prospector on Feb 13, 2020, 03:59 PM
https://youtu.be/BbHs_oPq5LA (https://youtu.be/BbHs_oPq5LA)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Sylvanboat on Feb 14, 2020, 06:58 AM
https://youtu.be/BbHs_oPq5LA (https://youtu.be/BbHs_oPq5LA)

Great video. Only part I did not like was the Yankees cap on the dashboard.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Sawmill man on Feb 14, 2020, 07:16 AM
The only thing I would add is make sure you have your shanty or shelter marked with reflective tape . Ya don’t want some one running into u in the middle of the night
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Feb 14, 2020, 07:24 AM
The only thing I would add is make sure you have your shanty or shelter marked with reflective tape . Ya don’t want some one running into u in the middle of the night

I made a bunch of 8"x8" card stock sheets with 3M Solas reflector tape all over them, then coated them with clear packing tape. They are the exact size of the windows in my Clam, I just close the window with the card stock sheet behind the window plastic. Works pretty well, I'll get some pictures soon. Really boggles the mind why these portables don't have crazy reflective stuff all over them, my X200 has a few little spots of reflectors that's it.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Feb 14, 2020, 05:09 PM
https://youtu.be/BbHs_oPq5LA (https://youtu.be/BbHs_oPq5LA)
Yo, Joe.  Nice demo of your camping setup!  My favorite was brushing your teeth with root beer!  :P :woot: :clap:

Four wheeler on four inches.  Scary stuff, don't find a weak spot!

The only thing I would add is make sure you have your shanty or shelter marked with reflective tape . Ya don’t want some one running into u in the middle of the night

I've been fairly impressed with the reflective area on the FF9416i.  Eskimo/Ardisam seems to be getting it.

Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: muskyon46 on Feb 14, 2020, 05:16 PM
https://youtu.be/BbHs_oPq5LA (https://youtu.be/BbHs_oPq5LA)


Great video Joe, I'll be waiting patiently for part 2. After cascade I should be joining the rest of you for overnighters on the gorge  :thumbsup: :woot: :woot:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Dec 07, 2020, 08:49 PM
Nice camping prep video from musky here:

https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=379148.msg4107040#msg4107040 (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=379148.msg4107040#msg4107040)

I hope we can get some good overnighter reports this year!  Anyone planning on it?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: muskyon46 on Dec 08, 2020, 07:19 AM
Thanks for posting that up here Steve, cant wait to get out of town Thursday or Friday. Henry's has been calling my name for awhile now and the ice camper is ready to go.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: RStock521 on Dec 08, 2020, 08:00 AM
I'm hoping to!  I'll be re-reviewing this thread when it comes time.  Sadly, with our weather, it probably won't be until late January/February until I get the chance.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: prospector on Dec 08, 2020, 08:03 PM


I hope we can get some good overnighter reports this year!  Anyone planning on it?

I will be rolling out in the morning from Wy. Planning on staying until Sunday or Monday.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Dec 08, 2020, 08:13 PM
I'll be planning on doing a couple overnight trips this year. Did 2 last year and it was a hoot. Hoping to have some company this year, I think that would make it more fun.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Dec 09, 2020, 12:44 PM

I hope we can get some good overnighter reports this year!  Anyone planning on it?

I will be rolling out in the morning from Wy. Planning on staying until Sunday or Monday.

Yup I'll be going this year.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Dec 09, 2020, 02:26 PM
Nice camping prep video from musky here:

https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=379148.msg4107040#msg4107040 (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=379148.msg4107040#msg4107040)

I hope we can get some good overnighter reports this year!  Anyone planning on it?

Without a doubt!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Dec 09, 2020, 03:11 PM
It’s so cool to finally see guys regularly camping on ice their popups.  I remember when popups first came out and the second time I ever took my Q6 out I camped in it for 4 nights.  My longest trip was a little over 2 weeks and the only time I came off the ice was to get more propane.  An average trip for me lasted usually around 10-14 days and I would normally do that 4-5 times a season.  Now that I work year round it’s tough to take off enough time to get my fix and I’m finding that a week long trip is just a tease.  Im currently planning a trip to the Northwest Territories for 2022 and I want to stay on the ice for at least a month which will hopefully be long enough but I doubt it.  If any of you guys have any questions on extended stays on ice please feel free to ask, I’m more than happy to share my knowledge so that others can have the experiences I’ve had.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Dec 10, 2020, 10:30 AM
My god, a month on the ice in the Northwest Territories. Why can't my life be as good.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Dec 10, 2020, 09:18 PM
I’m using the whole “mid life crisis” excuse to justify the expense but in reality I’ve been planning this trip for a long time.  My wife just never heard about it till now and she’s actually totally supportive.  Hopefully this will be one of many trips.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: muskyon46 on Dec 15, 2020, 08:24 AM
Added a shorter on ice part 2 to my ice camping in the X200. Enjoy.

Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Adironzach on Dec 15, 2020, 09:47 AM
I’m using the whole “mid life crisis” excuse to justify the expense but in reality I’ve been planning this trip for a long time.  My wife just never heard about it till now and she’s actually totally supportive.  Hopefully this will be one of many trips.

You are a very smart man. Glad your wifes on board, only makes the trip that much more relaxing for you. When you're out that long, are you targeting a mixed bag of species, going PB hunting, little bit of both depending on how you feel that morning? either way I cant wait to hear the report back from that epic trip
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Dec 16, 2020, 09:28 AM
I primarily target lake trout and burbot with more emphasis on trophy burbot, I’m still trying break the 20 pound mark.  This trip will be no different except I will have access to pike and hopefully sheefish.  I haven’t caught a laker over 30 pounds so obviously I’m going to have to try and do that.  Anyone know where I can get a 12” auger?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Adironzach on Dec 16, 2020, 09:52 AM
I primarily target lake trout and burbot with more emphasis on trophy burbot, I’m still trying break the 20 pound mark.  This trip will be no different except I will have access to pike and hopefully sheefish.  I haven’t caught a laker over 30 pounds so obviously I’m going to have to try and do that.  Anyone know where I can get a 12” auger?


Never have caught burbot before but its on the list. I need to try that poor man lobster, yuummm. Not really around me though so would have to plan an overnight trip somewhere if I wanted to target them. Would be a good time to put all this knowledge in the thread to use! As for the auger, I cant help you find a 12" but I find myself doubling or tripling hole up a lot whenever I go out. Not ideal, especially give the assumed thickness of the ice youll be on, but a mickey mouse style hole has never failed me.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Dec 16, 2020, 10:16 AM
Double the hole Zach.  I do double 8's a lot.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Dec 16, 2020, 10:35 AM
Yep, agreed... my favorite auger size now is my 6". Reason is it's so dang fast, I can punch a hole real quick, check depths, move around, hole hop... then if I want to set traps like for lakers or pike or anything really, I drill a triple. Turns out to be like a 14" hole, it's awesome. I also far prefer the 6" hole size inside the flip shanty. Takes up less floor space.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Dec 16, 2020, 03:26 PM
I have no problem drilling a Mickey Mouse hole, but when your running and gunning on 4-6 feet of ice it can be very tiring. I think a 12” screw on my Z71 power head would still be the way to go.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ActiveTrapChecker on Dec 20, 2020, 10:06 PM
 Camping on the ice once again on my “bucket” list for the tummies straight season. Fingers crossed that I make it happen this year.

General question - do you leave your tip up out overnight? I have a bag of those bell and neon lights to put on the tip ups. But would they be considered “unattended” in NY if you rest your eyes for a few hours in the shanty?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: muskyon46 on Dec 20, 2020, 10:25 PM
I put out a 2nd on ice set up for my x200



The weather was to cold to fish with an open door but if it had it would be like some of my other videos with the bubblers going on the jacker holes with the directional lights pointed right at the door. Sure make its nice not cleaning holes even if it was a dead stick with bells also
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Dec 21, 2020, 01:26 PM
Camping on the ice once again on my “bucket” list for the tummies straight season. Fingers crossed that I make it happen this year.

General question - do you leave your tip up out overnight? I have a bag of those bell and neon lights to put on the tip ups. But would they be considered “unattended” in NY if you rest your eyes for a few hours in the shanty?

Don't do it.  Trust me it's not worth it, especially if it's cold and the holes ice over decently..you'll have a crappy morning!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ActiveTrapChecker on Dec 21, 2020, 01:37 PM
Thanks, that’s what I was thinking after asking. Better off waking up before sunlight and starting fresh
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Dec 21, 2020, 02:13 PM
Could always set up the tip ups in your shanty if you don't have something like rattle reels.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: sparksNfishing on Jan 17, 2021, 11:35 AM
Just wondering if anyone has any experience using an insulated vs non-insulated sleeping pad on a cot? Are they worth the extra $$. My set up would include a cot, foam pads on the ice, -15 sleeping bag along with extra blankets, flex heater with a smaller kicker heater if needed. I would go with a heavier sleeping bag if it means one less items I need to take. Conditions wise, it can easily drop to -25C at night without wind.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 17, 2021, 11:54 AM
I'd use an insulated pad regardless of the bag choice, especially if it's going to be that cold.  I don't know that there'd be a noticeable difference in performance between the two.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Jan 17, 2021, 12:47 PM
You'll want something more than the cot between you and the ice. Whether that's foam mats on the ice below your cot, a sleeping pad (insulated or not) or even an extra blanket below your sleeping bag. Might even use a couple sheets of reflectix.

I dont think you'll notice much of a difference with insulated vs uninsulated pad in your setup.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 17, 2021, 01:47 PM
Unless I’m backpacking I only use insulated inflatable sleeping pads.  Even with a heater on full blast you will still have cold spots in your shack and the biggest one is always right under your cot.  If you have the space in your sled a foam bedroll is your best option.  It insulates better than any inflatable and in my opinion is way more comfortable.  One thing I’ve noticed over the years is that the taller the cot the warmer it is and the shorter the cot the cooler it is.  I prefer a shorter cot because I sleep warm anyway and a zero bag is more than sufficient.  Ive spent many a night at -40 in an uninsulated shack and have never had an issue as long as I have a good heater and complete floor coverage be it with the foam mats or a carpet. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: TRT on Jan 17, 2021, 02:57 PM
I slept out in a 6 by 6 hub Friday night. Soccer mom chair worked out just ok. Buddy heater failed to catch tried all three tanks two were partial tanks. Buddy worked first time I used it an couple hours later would not. Buddy would Prime but not catch. It works today.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Adkrs on Jan 17, 2021, 05:21 PM
Funny this thread popped up. My buddy and I were discussing doing this on Champlain this year looking for wally's and burbot. Need to invest in a cot, but have nearly everything else. Now we just need this cold weather to freeze champ good. There's safe ice to be had, but nothing I want to camp on overnight(and not in locations where I think I can find burbot).

Love seeing your guys stories! I've already learned a ton. Thank you for posting your successes and failures! I'll do the same
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: sparksNfishing on Jan 17, 2021, 06:15 PM
I slept out in a 6 by 6 hub Friday night. Soccer mom chair worked out just ok. Buddy heater failed to catch tried all three tanks two were partial tanks. Buddy worked first time I used it an couple hours later would not. Buddy would Prime but not catch. It works today.
So far I haven't had issues with the flex heater. I have had issue in the past with tank top ones with it being too cold to hold the valve open.

I'm going to be wiring up my own 12v fan to so that I can move some air around at night to limit the cold/ dead zones. I have two small 1.5" fans that push some pretty good air. Going to mount them to the spring clamps so that I can put them were ever they need to be. I may even try a small control cabinet thermostat that will operate the fans on either heat or cool calls. Are there foam flooring pads that are better then others?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Jan 17, 2021, 07:19 PM
I use the foam floor pads from Harbor Freight. $9 per pack. Last time I was there they were out of the interlocking mats but had the 6' rolled mats, so I picked up two of those. They're a little thinner than the interlocking mats I think, but should work similarly.

I picked up a small desk fan that will run off a USB power source, and I was thinking of hanging it from the ceiling. But now I'm considering keeping it at a lower level pointed up. Kinda the same idea as reversing your fans in the winter so you're pulling air up rather than pushing warm air down. Up on the ceiling its more out of the way, maybe turn it over so its blowing up towards the ceiling and circulating air that way? Anybody try reversing their fan to blow up instead of down?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Adkrs on Jan 18, 2021, 02:59 PM
What cots are you guys running? I'm 6'0 230lbs. Was looking at cots on amazon. Reviews are all over the place. I'm a buy once cry once kind of person
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: sparksNfishing on Jan 18, 2021, 03:27 PM
What cots are you guys running? I'm 6'0 230lbs. Was looking at cots on amazon. Reviews are all over the place. I'm a buy once cry once kind of person
I'm a bit taller at 6'2 but weigh the same and bought the simple one from Cabelas, Cabelas Camp Cot. Not sure on the weight limits but it seems sturdy enough and my feet don't hang over. I definitely prefer the buy once method too but thought I'd try the cheaper option first since it was only $60 on sale I think. Next year I may look at something better. Also having an extra cheaper one is not always the worst. Makes it easier for friends or family to tag along.

I use the foam floor pads from Harbor Freight. $9 per pack. Last time I was there they were out of the interlocking mats but had the 6' rolled mats, so I picked up two of those. They're a little thinner than the interlocking mats I think, but should work similarly.

I picked up a small desk fan that will run off a USB power source, and I was thinking of hanging it from the ceiling. But now I'm considering keeping it at a lower level pointed up. Kinda the same idea as reversing your fans in the winter so you're pulling air up rather than pushing warm air down. Up on the ceiling its more out of the way, maybe turn it over so its blowing up towards the ceiling and circulating air that way? Anybody try reversing their fan to blow up instead of down?
Hmm USB sounds like a better option. I have found some on newegg that come with a cord, switch and speed control for a 120mm fan. Yup, this is what im going with now. Thanks.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Redsoxfan on Jan 18, 2021, 03:36 PM
https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/cabelas-alaskan-guide-cot-with-lever-arm
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FLCFI68/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Cabelas Alaskan Guide cot (which is the size of a single bed)
Simmons Beautyrest 3" mattress.

Goodnight.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Adkrs on Jan 18, 2021, 05:41 PM
Those cabela's ones look well made. I might have to snag that mattress too. I camp in my 4runner in the warmer months. I have a cheap roll up yoga mat that I use as a sleep pad.  That mattress looks awesome
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: GBguy on Jan 18, 2021, 06:02 PM
I use the more inexpensive Cabelas Camp Cot. Zipper on the carry bag broke after my 2nd or 3rd use, but I couldn't return it because I bought it more than 3 months or 6 months earlier. Cot is fine, I'm 6'0" 175lbs.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Jan 18, 2021, 08:13 PM
I know it’s probably been asked and answered before but any recommendations on a good zero degree bag?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Redsoxfan on Jan 19, 2021, 11:14 AM
Those cabela's ones look well made. I might have to snag that mattress too. I camp in my 4runner in the warmer months. I have a cheap roll up yoga mat that I use as a sleep pad.  That mattress looks awesome

it is.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: manning1987 on Jan 19, 2021, 04:23 PM
Nick Lindner posted this video a couple weeks ago. Gives some good information.

Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jakediesel1 on Jan 19, 2021, 04:31 PM
ive camped twice on the ice overnight this season in a uninsulated hut, mr.buddy heater and a cot with no blanket. couldve used a blanket for more comfort but I managed. I fished all night with tip ups but would check flags every 1 to 2 hours so that I could clean holes. First time I went out I didnt clean holes and 3 inches of hard ice formed in just 6 hours and made it a pain. I use the Rio Gear smart cot xl and it fits perfectly at one end of my hut. Only thing i will do differently next time is keep my beer in the hut so it doesnt freeze and become undrinkable. haha
Around here you can leave tip ups unattended for 24 hours and marked with your AIS# and I see alot of guys bring their ice bar out to chip away for tip ups, but i think you miss alot of fish checking only once every 24 hours.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Sylvanboat on Jan 19, 2021, 06:10 PM
Check out www.wintercampingsympo sium.com for great info on winter camping.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Irving.L on Jan 19, 2021, 06:39 PM
Just joined this forum today and read this entire thread, I love camping on the ice we've used a permanent shanty and also pop ups. I've used the big buddy heater and am not a huge fan of them,  this my current heater and it does a great job of heating my 10 person clam
(https://i.postimg.cc/q6dwhKx1/Screenshot-20210119-193401-Opera.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/q6dwhKx1)
I drilled a hole in the plastic base and run a propane tree from a 20lb tank so it sits on top of the tank that way it uses the same footprint as the tank
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 19, 2021, 06:40 PM
Howdy, folks.  Nice to see some good traffic on my favorite thread!  We took our annual overnight at the end of December, but I haven't finished the write-up yet.  In the meantime, I wanted to pitch in on some of the questions.

Just wondering if anyone has any experience using an insulated vs non-insulated sleeping pad on a cot? Are they worth the extra $$. My set up would include a cot, foam pads on the ice, -15 sleeping bag along with extra blankets, flex heater with a smaller kicker heater if needed. I would go with a heavier sleeping bag if it means one less items I need to take. Conditions wise, it can easily drop to -25C at night without wind.

If you are running heat at night, and you never have any heater problems, it may not matter a lot.  On the other hand if you go overnight with no heat, on purpose like we do, or unexpectedly, then you want an insulated one for sure.  A straight air pad can be a super cold experience!

My net recommendation is with AKhardwater, all insulated, all the time.

What cots are you guys running? I'm 6'0 230lbs. Was looking at cots on amazon. Reviews are all over the place. I'm a buy once cry once kind of person

We use the Disc-O-Bed L bunk beds (http://"http://www.discobed.com/cots/disc-o-bed-l-with-organizers/"), with extensions and foot pads.  They are rated at 400 pounds capacity, per level.  We really, really like them.  It is so nice to have two beds but use up only one bed of floor space.  We sleep two guys 6'5" and they fit us fine.  I'm about 200 lbs and sleep up top with no concerns at all.

(https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnew3.discobed.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F11%2F3001BO-3-300x194.jpg&hash=c1cc710946ee68d58d02f0bb3c5e715f)

If I am in a situation where I don't need the bunk beds, then I use my Slumberjack cot.  I think it is the equivalent to the current model called Tough Cot.  It is a comfy tank that has lasted many years.

I know it’s probably been asked and answered before but any recommendations on a good zero degree bag?

Alas, our are too old to recommend (long since discontinued).  I use a Slumberjack Glacier 4 Long inside a Peak 1 flannel-lined cotton duck.  I've comfortably slept under the stars down to around zero in that combo.

As always, my .02, IMO, and YMMV.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 19, 2021, 07:59 PM
Good to hear from you Steve, I'm sure everyone appreciates the advise and is looking forward to the write up.  My best friend and I are discussing the details of where we might go this year.  I've upgraded to the otter resort which I am very interested in camping in.  It's proven to be extremely comfortable thus far.

Looking forward to your write up! 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 19, 2021, 08:03 PM
Yep, no heat. I'm an old mounteering guy and have bivouacked at -17F on top of a mountain. We carried everything in a backpack and no heat. Easy things to help you and this is from a NOLS course I took (National Outdoor Leadership School):

1: A closed cell air mattress like a Thermorest is lifesaving. Way better than a cot. We just slept on the snow using a quality closed cell foam air matress. Not a Coleman mattress- closed cell foam core.

2. Have a complete separate set of long underwear to sleep in. In my NOLS course they taught me to sleep in nothing more than long underwear, no matter how cold it is, and they are right. People make the mistake of putting on a bunch of clothes inside the bag and they either wake up drenched in sweat or the clothes take up all the air space in the bag and you can't heat it up. Insulation is all based on the same principle- trapped air. If you pack your sleeping bag with too much clothes you reduce the effectiveness of the insulation in your bag.

3. Change into EVERYTHING new right before bed. No matter how dry you think your clothes are, they aren't. Do everything strenuous you need to do for the night then change everything including socks. Again, sleep in nothing more than good, ploy/synthetic long underwear (I know, people don't understand this until you do it). Wear a warm hat to bed.

4. If you need to pee while in your sleeping bag, just get up and do it. Do not sit there resisting the need to get up. Having a bladder full of liquid reduces your core temp drastically and can actually make you sweat due to physical stress. Get it over with and get back to sleep.

5. Don't let anyone tell you to sleep with a big jug of hot water in your sleeping bag. I'm not even going to tear this one apart, JUST DON'T DO THAT. EVER.

I could go on, but I won't, those are the basics! Have fun!

Also bumping this as it helped me tremendously.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: sparksNfishing on Jan 19, 2021, 08:33 PM
Nice bump, those are great tips.

FG Steve what are these write ups you speak of?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 20, 2021, 09:37 AM
I don’t understand why some of you don’t keep your heater on all night.  I’ve read several posts now with guys saying they don’t run heat while they sleep and I’m just curious as to their reasoning. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 20, 2021, 09:53 AM
FG Steve what are these write ups you speak of?

This hearkens back to the original post on this thread, from lowaccord66:

Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

Im going to stay on the ice all weekend.  Bringing a cot and cold weather bag.  Just curious who's done it and how it went!

I did my first-ever overnight in 2015, and in the spirit of the original post, I did a write-up on the experience, and tried to answer the questions.

Then in 2016 we did it again, and lowaccord gave this response:

FG Steve great trip and awesome addition the thread.  I suggest you update this yearly.  I haven't camped yet but I am going to as soon as possible.  I will certainly post then...Thanks again for the post...that's a lot of work to write that up.  Benefits many, nice job!

Since then, I have made an attempt to do an overnighter each year, and then continue the write-up of lessons learned, etc.  We were unable to go in 2017 due to my partner's wife getting in a life-threatening accident, and as mentioned, I haven't written up our 2020 trip, which went well.  These are the reports of all of our trips so far, all found in this same thread:

2015: http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566)
2016: https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3587572#msg3587572 (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3587572#msg3587572)
2018: https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3921461#msg3921461 (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3921461#msg3921461)
2019: https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg4042423#msg4042423 (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg4042423#msg4042423)

I'm no expert.  Just another guy figuring out what works for him, for short-term camping on the ice.  One voice of the many here.  It's fun to write about the trips, share the learning, contrast our methods with others, and get new ideas.  As always, everything is my .02, IMO, and YMMV.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 20, 2021, 10:01 AM
I don’t understand why some of you don’t keep your heater on all night.  I’ve read several posts now with guys saying they don’t run heat while they sleep and I’m just curious as to their reasoning.

Number one for us is we just don't need it.  I sleep comfortably each time.  But we've only been down to -10F, not into the -40F range you have done.

As far as benefits, I think for us it removes any concern about CO or propane leaks.  Yes, we run a CO detector.  And preparing to sleep without the heater yields some safety benefit, so there is no urgency or emergency in case of heater problems overnight, while we're 2 miles from the truck.

IMO  YMMV
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 20, 2021, 10:09 AM
That’s interesting, are you able to keep your holes open all night or do you have to wake up periodically to chip them out?  I figured you guys were just trying to cut down on condensation thats why you didn’t run heat at night.  Kudos to you for going without heat I couldn’t do it for fear of my propane lines freezing at night and not being able to restart.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 20, 2021, 11:17 AM
That’s interesting, are you able to keep your holes open all night or do you have to wake up periodically to chip them out?

We fish only inside overnight, and get up only if a bell wakes us.  All holes inside and out, including the holes for the submersible light (outside) and camera (inside), are covered with Therm-A-Seat hole covers (https://thermaseat.com/product/ice-hole-insulators/).  For those unfamiliar, they are 12" closed cell foam discs.  If you place them and press them down shortly after the hole is drilled and cleared, while the surrounding slush is still soft, then it makes a good seal on the edges, and an inside hole can stay ice free overnight.   If the seal is not good, then I have seen up to .25" of ice on the inside holes by morning.  Outside holes usually get less than .5" by morning, and are quickly and easily cleared for morning fishing, using the ice chisel.

By the way, these are great hole covers.  We used them during the day on Monday this week and had zero iced-up holes all day.  I like the black ones that let the sun help, too.  I was very skeptical at first, but once I tried one, it wasn't long before I had a full set.  Pricing on them can vary a lot.  Mine happen to be Cabela's branded.  Amazon has good deals on certain colors from time to time.  Looks like a 3-pack of black from the manufacturer is $24.95 +shipping at the moment.  No more skimming holes all day.

(https://thermaseat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/501_IceHoleInsulator_Black.png)

I figured you guys were just trying to cut down on condensation that's why you didn’t run heat at night.

Oh yeah, less evaporation/condensation, too.  Good point.  Reducing humidity in the shelter is one of our current considerations.  I already cover my bed once made, until bed time, or it can get downright damp on the surface.

I've thought about that, with regard to your long-term camping.  Must be difficult to get/keep things dry.

Kudos to you for going without heat I couldn’t do it for fear of my propane lines freezing at night and not being able to restart.

We haven't been below about -10F so no issues there.  I think propane will stop vaporizing at -44F, so that would be an important issue at the temps you see.  Those are hard-core real-man conditions for sure!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Jan 20, 2021, 12:54 PM
Anyone run this or have any insight if this is a decent bag?

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/slumberjack-ronin-20-mummy-sleeping-bag-100807342?ds_e=GOOGLE&ds_c=Shop%7CGeneric%7CAllProducts%7CHigh%7CSSCCatchAll&gclid=CjwKCAiAxp-ABhALEiwAXm6Iyf69KZz1B55pr7Ifhbnky9KI-LxTytRgdHwDccmWsMRcYKzMcK-b8RoCm98QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Jan 21, 2021, 10:30 AM
I don’t understand why some of you don’t keep your heater on all night.  I’ve read several posts now with guys saying they don’t run heat while they sleep and I’m just curious as to their reasoning.

Yep, I'm with FG Steve, I don't run heat because I don't need it. With the right gear and following the correct procedures I am cozy, warm and comfortable to -7F which is the coldest I've spent a night on the ice. Propane fired heat is also very damp, I'd rather have it dry.

The heater is close to me and when I start to open my eyes in the morning I fire the heater about 15 minutes before I crawl out of the wrapper.

Anyone run this or have any insight if this is a decent bag?

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/slumberjack-ronin-20-mummy-sleeping-bag-100807342?ds_e=GOOGLE&ds_c=Shop%7CGeneric%7CAllProducts%7CHigh%7CSSCCatchAll&gclid=CjwKCAiAxp-ABhALEiwAXm6Iyf69KZz1B55pr7Ifhbnky9KI-LxTytRgdHwDccmWsMRcYKzMcK-b8RoCm98QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I've never owned any Slumberjack stuff but that certainly looks to fit the bill!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: badger132 on Jan 21, 2021, 02:51 PM
Has anyone seen those diesel heaters people put inside vehicles and RVs? Those have the combustion outside, and forced air comes into the inhabited space. They do need 12V, but I saw a YouTube of a guy that hangs one on the side of his pickup topper and truck camps while ice fishing. Once they are going, they use little current, and produce a lot of heat.
(https://i.postimg.cc/LhPvq5qj/Screen-Shot-2021-01-21-at-1-49-49-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/LhPvq5qj)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Adkrs on Jan 21, 2021, 03:03 PM
I think the hardest part of running no heat overnight would be crawling out of a cozy warm sleeping bag in the morning  ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: wyogator on Jan 21, 2021, 05:14 PM
I don’t understand why some of you don’t keep your heater on all night.  I’ve read several posts now with guys saying they don’t run heat while they sleep and I’m just curious as to their reasoning.
I don't run Any heat at night, because I did it once during an ice fishing tournament.  I camped out on the ice in a sleeping bag on a cot in a Quick Fish 6.  Similar to Fg Steve, except mine wasn't a double bunk.  I had a buddy heater, so I figured I was safe with the low oxygen shut-off.  Around 2am, I woke with a severe headache, weak, dizzy and about to throw up.  I grabbed my bag, Thermarest and pillow, hiked 300 yards to shore and slept in the back of the SUV. I had to start it up a couple of times for heat. I woke up the next morning sicker than a dog. I left everything on the lake and drove home. I know it was CO poisoning.  Now, I camp like jethro, on shore in a three man backpacking tent.  The hub is set up on the ice with the buddy heater ready to go first thing in the morning.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 21, 2021, 06:16 PM
I ran heat and used 2 monoxide detectors.  One cot level in the shanty pocket right next to me and one wedged between the pole and the shanty up top.  Buddy heaters can kill you and I absolutely do not recommend sleeping with one on without a detector.

Thus year will drive on the ice and sleep in my truck idling.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 21, 2021, 06:27 PM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?
I suggest you update this yearly

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Overnight Trip #5 December 30-31, 2020

Low around 10F and high about 25F, at a favorite local reservoir.

Here are the links to trips 1-4:

2015: http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566 (http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3440566#msg3440566)
2016: https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3587572#msg3587572 (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3587572#msg3587572)
2018: https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3921461#msg3921461 (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg3921461#msg3921461)
2019: https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg4042423#msg4042423 (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=325954.msg4042423#msg4042423)

This year’s report is a little different.  I channeled prospector some, but you’ll notice my videos are shorter, and there’s only one fish caught on camera.  ;D 

No big issues this trip.  It was very nearly routine.  No stuck snowmobiles, no slush, no trespassing.  But the trip was excellent!  It takes a lot of effort, with advance prep and packing, and it takes me a day or two to rest up afterward, even though I usually sleep quite a lot overnight.  So for me, it remains a goal to go annually, and the annual trip provides some highlight memories during the year, and a calm place for my mind to go during stressful times.  Oh, and it’s fun to see the reactions from friends and coworkers who learn that you sleep on the ice.

Well, the Ammondude moved to Texas, so we planned our trip to coincide with a planned visit up here, then his visit got COVID cancelled, so no Ammondude.  I offered the trip to my brother Dave and he agreed.

I’ve been wanting to convert the towing system of my fishing sled, and I found some time to get it done, but the custom hardware I had built last year came up missing, so that will have to wait until the hardware shows up.  Ergh.

The mechanic who normally checks out my snowmobiles was unavailable, but they seemed to be running OK, and we had no issues, so that worked out fine.

Other than these two minor items, preparation was uneventful and the gear checklist did its job.  As I was off work for the holidays, packing occurred at a leisurely pace for a few days with no surprises.

For some time, I have been considering an overnight at a favorite local reservoir where we spend a lot of time each Spring fishing in the boat, and if possible, at the exact spot where I overnighted in the boat last June.  The one-hour drive would be more convenient than the 2-3 hour drive to our usual destination.  This year provided a good opportunity.  While water was reported to be a bit low, ice condition reports were excellent, with plenty of clear, hard ice, and little snow.  So we agreed to stick closer to home and our destination was set.

Our simple goals for the trip:  Camp in one of our favorite soft water spots if possible, and bring home 8 trout > 2 lb. each (Two 2-fish limits for two days).

We had a casual departure before lunch, with a stop for a burger on the way, and an early afternoon arrival at the reservoir.  After some discussion, we left the spare heater and propane in the truck, putting our emergency backup 1.75 miles from camp.

Here we are packed up and ready to head out. 

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Our target location was about 1.75 miles from the truck, tucked up next to a raised bank with willows on what is usually the windward side of the reservoir.  We have weathered plenty of windy time there in the boat by tying the boat to the willows using brush anchors, and fishing our little patch of glassy water with white caps on most of the reservoir.  It’s a nice, protected spot not used by anyone else that we have detected.  The plan: If we can get into more than 4 feet of water there, we’ll stay.

With the reservoir more than 10 feet below full, we arrived at our preferred spot at the upper end with some concerns about water depth.  Drill a test hole through 15 inches of clear ice, check with the sonar, only 3 ft. of water.   Move away from shore, drill again, 4 ft.  Move, drill, 5 ft.  Done.  Let’s make camp!

Then we had what has become an annual conversation.  It would be nice to have a shovel for a few minutes to clear snow.  OK, OK, maybe next year.  Kick and trample some snow, drill and clear 3 holes (2 fishing, 1 camera), put up the shelter:


We put out and anchored all six guy lines later.

It’s comforting to have the sleep system locked in, along with the heat and lights and other elements that we have assembled over the years.  Build the Cam-O-Cots, make the bed with Thermarest pad, Cabela’s cot pad, and two zero degree bags (each), cover the bed, put up the Goal Zero Light-a-Life 350 lights and extension cable, and hook up the Yeti 150 power pack.  Put the Big Buddy on the crate, hook up the propane.  Love that quick connect.  Set up the Aqua-Vu Micro Revolution 5.0 camera and pole holders inside.  I always feel better when camp is set up.  If weather gets nasty I can hunker down and fish in the warm shelter knowing that my toasty, comfy bed is waiting for me.

The cots went up pretty well.  I often say they are inconvenient to set up, but Dave thought it wasn’t that bad.  As Ammondude has been the expert on those, we paid close attention to how they were packed.  I’m frequently mentioning these cots and their setup, so here’s a look:


And here is a tour of this year’s camp that Dave recorded on day 2:



Dave was recording for his little kids, but I liked the narration so I left it in.

This video makes things look darker than they are, but it gives a reasonable look at how we use the shelter overnight:


With an hour or two of light remaining, time to fish!  Dave got into a nice fish about 2 lbs right away, and we had fish on the screen as soon as the camera was turned on.  I caught one of those, also about 2 lbs.  I kept my fish and Dave turned his back, hoping for something larger.  Then at dark it shut down HARD.  BOOM.  Nothing on the camera, all quiet.  Except one more fish on one of my dead sticks outside, a nice rainbow > 3 lb.

I had considered packing the DVD player but thought better of it and left it home.  As it turned out, we could have watched a movie before bed, as the fishing was DEAD.  Not even a single bite overnight, nothing until 7:30 a.m.

Brisket supply was low in the home freezer, so instead of our traditional brisket sandwiches, we had pulled pork and coleslaw sandwiches with barbecue sauce on pretzel buns.  Same method as always, heat the meat in vacuum sealed bag and then use the hot water for some Tang.  Very well received.

Dave’s little stove is more stable than mine.   Maybe it’s time to pull the trigger on that new backpacking stove I’ve been eyeing…  Ergh.

I set an alarm for 6:30 and we hit the sack at about 10:00 p.m.  Dave was pleasantly surprised at just how comfortable it is to get changed for bed in a heated, insulated shelter on the ice.  We both noticed the cold floor, so to speak, and I may reconsider bringing enough floor pads to cover it all.  Might help with the evaporation/condensation issues, too.  We brought enough for the whole floor on the first trip in 2015 but never used them all.  I will think on it.

Silent night, no bells, no nothing.  Not even a coyote interruption.  I woke up too hot a couple of times.

I woke before the alarm, turned it off, got up and turned on the heater, and got dressed.  For the first time in memory, I cleared and set up all my outside holes and poles in the dark to maximize my fishing time, and about 30 minutes before sunrise I landed and kept a nice fish, all before Dave got up and out.

So at that point, I have 3 fish to eat and Dave has none.  Dude, let’s get you into some fish!  He had a fun morning, missed a lot of light bites, and finally caught a couple of keepers.  In the meantime, I watched the camera with no fish on it and did some packing up.  Just after lunch my AK Salmonbear did its thing and I pulled in the big fish for the trip at 3 lb 9 oz.


We leisurely packed up and headed out.  Here is the train to go back.

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It takes a while to transfer stuff to the truck.  I figured out that we pack and unpack the gear 4 times to do this.  Pack the car, unload the car and pack the sleds, unpack the sleds and make camp, break camp and pack the sleds, unpack the sleds and pack the car, unpack the car at home.  Folks with a big enclosed trailer could avoid some of this, but I’m not gonna go there for one trip per year.

Dave had a good time and says he would do it again.
The Goal Zero Yeti 150 had 60% of its battery left, after running lights and recharging a phone.
The Strikemaster Lithium 40V auger battery had 75% of its charge (3/4 lights).  Probably drilled about 25 holes.  Advertised capacity is 100 holes in 16” of ice.  I believe.
The Marcum LX-6s sonar had plenty of charge left on its 9ah SLA.
The submersible light stayed on all night on its 8ah SLA.
The Anker portable power pack kept the Aqua-Vu camera going on day 2 and seemed to dump all its charge into the camera battery, which recharged while in use and still had some reserve when we turned it off.
We didn’t use much propane.  I haven’t refilled yet but will update when I know the total.

Thanks, Dave for the great trip and for being the videographer.  That was fun.

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OK, identified improvements from last year:

-Consider adding a small shovel, like my avalanche shovel or some such, to clear snow for the shelter: OK, I give.  I have a lightweight plastic shovel in my gear room.  On the checklist it goes.
-Get back to an earlier start with pre-Noon arrival: The closer-to-home destination helped with this, but it also made for a more-casual departure.  If we had been more prompt departing, more fishing time would have been good and maybe increased Dave’s first-day catch.  Best rule of thumb remains pre-Noon arrival.  Get back to that.
-Pack some extra straps to carry a frozen shelter on one of the loaded sleds if needed: Did. Didn’t need.  Permanent, easy add.
-Ammondude tuck in yer pants in case of slush: We did.  But no Ammondude and no slush.
-Find more non-cotton clothing: Still shopping casually for non-cotton pants.  Need to step this up
-Figure out a slush hand signal to have the guy in back stop even though the guy in front is gunning it through the slush:  No slush!  Great conditions.  But need to remember this for the future.
-Record even more underwater video, by leaving the unit in record mode instead of waiting for fish to appear before hitting the Rec button.  With so little observed on the camera this year, this was kinda moot.  Recorded zero this year.
-Newer snowmobiles would not get slush-stuck as easily… Ergh.  Still in the back of my head but not ready to buy different sleds to drive only a few miles each year.
-What do do about the 9416i drips?  I had designed and brought a simple tarp system with dacron cord and bungees, to deflect snow from the center of the shelter roof, but the snow forecast was minimal and we didn’t deploy it.  Although we had periods of light snow, it all melted and evaporated from the roof during periods of heater use.

Improvements for next year:

-Nobody used the Luggable Loo this year, but despite that, it is time to get something more stable for my arthritic knees, etc.  We’ve selected the Cabela’s Camp Commode (currently at https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/cabelas-camp-commode-camping-toilet (https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/cabelas-camp-commode-camping-toilet)) which will be used with the Luggable Loo bucket.  If we get a new outhouse tent as planned for the boat this year, and it packs small enough, maybe that too.  This is bad adding new stuff without dropping others to make room.  Last thing I need is a longer train of cargo.
-Give up and bring the stinking shovel.  Already added to the checklist.
-Consider covering the whole floor (we only covered beneath the cot and spots to stand for changing clothes).  The pads are cheap but they take up space…
-Update my auger repair kit for the Lithium 40V.  It still has a spark plug and gapper and other stuff for my Lazer Mag that I sold.  Used that auger 1997 – 2019!  Maybe pare the kit down to a spare collar bolt and blades, with associated tools?
-New backpacking stove?  Not a necessity but might happen anyway.  MSR Whisperlite Universal.
-Find non-cotton pants.
-Convert the fishing sled to a removable hitch assembly.

And I still think frequently about modifying a Clam X300 as a solo setup.  Maybe a retirement project…
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Adkrs on Jan 21, 2021, 07:32 PM
Great read!

If you're looking for wool pants I really like all my Firstlite wool. I wear it hunting, hiking, fishing and snowboarding. Pretty much anytime I'm outdoors.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 21, 2021, 07:52 PM
If you're looking for wool pants I really like all my Firstlite wool. I wear it hunting, hiking, fishing and snowboarding. Pretty much anytime I'm outdoors.

Like this? https://www.firstlite.com/products/obsidian-merino-pants (https://www.firstlite.com/products/obsidian-merino-pants)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 21, 2021, 09:17 PM
Awesome update Steve!  Perhaps when the flu mania ends I can make my way out there! 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: mr.clean on Jan 21, 2021, 09:35 PM
FG Steve thank you for the report from your annual trip. Nice work by your brother on the video.
 
 steve
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 21, 2021, 09:52 PM
You need to get a pair of puffy pants.  I have a pair of mountain hardware compressor pants that I wear all day in the shack usually with just a pair of boxers.  They are a little spendy but they are durable and crazy comfortable.  I found that if I’m not using a plywood floor an indoor outdoor carpet with the foam squares on top really help with traction and floor coverage.  It also helps retain heat believe it or not.   Find a carpet that drains water really well so it lightens up before you put it back in your sleds.  Looks like your on the right track for doing some serious multi day trips. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Adkrs on Jan 21, 2021, 10:09 PM
Like this? https://www.firstlite.com/products/obsidian-merino-pants (https://www.firstlite.com/products/obsidian-merino-pants)

These are exactly what I wear, with their wool long johns on underneath. They're light and don't feel like they'd be warm at all, but when you're active and moving around they do the job well. I wear the midweight bibs and jacket over that for ice season. They're great for fall small game hunting/hiking too.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bowski76 on Jan 22, 2021, 07:35 AM
FG Steve, thank you for taking the time for posting your trip, I really enjoyed it.

The bunks do seem a bit labor intensive but I imagine re-packing the bunks is worse!

Are you allowed to use tip ups in your state? If so, I'm guessing you're not a fan.

Jim
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Jan 22, 2021, 10:15 AM
Great write up Steve!! Thanks, I love reading about trips. I'll have one to write about in a few weeks.

Has anyone seen those diesel heaters people put inside vehicles and RVs? Those have the combustion outside, and forced air comes into the inhabited space. They do need 12V, but I saw a YouTube of a guy that hangs one on the side of his pickup topper and truck camps while ice fishing. Once they are going, they use little current, and produce a lot of heat.
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A lot of my snowmobiling buddies are putting these inexpensive, 12 volt diesel heaters in their trailers. They are mounted inside with the intake and exhaust running outside. They seem really neat, although my boss got one for his woodshop and he tells me the pump is noisy. He said it makes an amazing amount of heat and it stays nice and dry in there.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Jan 22, 2021, 10:15 AM
The bunks do seem a bit labor intensive but I imagine re-packing the bunks is worse!

Actually, the effort is about the same, if not easier.  We were able to figure out where everything went pretty quickly.  Removing the foot pads is easier than installing them.  Still worth the effort for me.  Those things are so stable, and the bunk concept is great for floor space.  As long as you get the foot pads and the extensions, I still give 'em a strong buy recommendation.

Are you allowed to use tip ups in your state? If so, I'm guessing you're not a fan.

Certainly tip ups are legal.  It's just a personal preference thing.  For large trout on 6 lb mono, I really want some rod guides and a good reel drag system between me and the fish.  The trout in that video took about 5 runs, stripping line off the reel each time.  I don't trust my fingers to manage that.  You can rig 'em to free spool while your dead sticking if you want.  I have a buddy who does that a lot.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Feb 11, 2021, 10:18 PM
This is me being lazy and not taking the time to read through the thread or use the search function. FG Steve, awesome video I did watch! Going to be camping on the ice this weekend (second time out). I have the foam flooring and will be raising my heater up on a bucket/milk crate. My question is. We have about 6-8 inches of snow on the ice. Do I shovel it all out or leave a thin layer? My worry is if I shovel it out, I might get a big puddle. If I don’t shovel, foam pads won’t lay flat?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Feb 11, 2021, 10:18 PM
I will be taking pictures and reporting on my trip!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Feb 12, 2021, 09:40 AM
Do I shovel it all out or leave a thin layer? My worry is if I shovel it out, I might get a big puddle. If I don’t shovel, foam pads won’t lay flat?

I'm not a foam pad guy, but I specifically leave snow in my flip, I prefer it. But I also have a spot inside the flip that I can stand in and take my boots off and get changed into my sleeping gear. I tried the foam pads and hated them. My floor is always my Muck Arctic Ice boots with Kahtoolas!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Feb 12, 2021, 10:11 AM
I'm with you Geoff.  My foam floor peices froze in pretty good and were a mega pain.  Next time I'd just leave snow.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ICEHOLE on Feb 12, 2021, 11:17 AM
I'm with you Geoff.  My foam floor peices froze in pretty good and were a mega pain.  Next time I'd just leave snow.
I also hated the foam pads...in the past i have picked an area, drilled a couple holes got it all nice and slushy and then let that freeze up a bit.pop up shanty on that frozen patch and then less puddles early on, and better footing  in the shanty
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: 4seasonfishrman on Feb 13, 2021, 12:47 PM
ive camped twice on the ice overnight this season in a uninsulated hut, mr.buddy heater and a cot with no blanket. couldve used a blanket for more comfort but I managed. I fished all night with tip ups but would check flags every 1 to 2 hours so that I could clean holes. First time I went out I didnt clean holes and 3 inches of hard ice formed in just 6 hours and made it a pain. I use the Rio Gear smart cot xl and it fits perfectly at one end of my hut. Only thing i will do differently next time is keep my beer in the hut so it doesnt freeze and become undrinkable. haha
Around here you can leave tip ups unattended for 24 hours and marked with your AIS# and I see alot of guys bring their ice bar out to chip away for tip ups, but i think you miss alot of fish checking only once every 24 hours.

You need to stop drinking such weak beer if it's freezing on you.  Maybe try a good Russian Imperial Stout. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: badger132 on Feb 18, 2021, 09:50 AM
Akhardwater

Curious as to how you prefastened the tarps to your shacks. Would it be possible to get a pic?  What of tarp did you use?

SmilingBob

X2 on double roof to make the tent warmer. We spent fall in a wall tent in the mountains, and we would always cover them with visqueen flies before the snow. It made the snow slide off, but also made them a lot warmer- which kept moisture from condensing on the inside roof.

Reflectix tucked between the poles and the roof would work well too.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Feb 18, 2021, 11:32 AM
Hi everyone,

Camped out on the ice last Friday and stayed until Sunday afternoon. Fun times! We were going for big rainbows and unfortunately didn’t get one. Caught some salmon (which you can’t keep in NH) and some yellow perch. Friday night was super cold, about -7F I think it got to. We had a CO detector and ran it all night. Had a fan going to push the warm air down and foam flooring on most of the ground. There was a ton of snow on the ice so I did shovel some out but kept a thin layer down to not have a swimming pool at the end of the weekend. Pictures aren’t the best because I actually took videos and then realized I can’t post videos on ice shanty! Whoops. The only thing I’ll do different next time is maybe get some reflectix or a tarp for the inner roof/ceiling.



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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Feb 18, 2021, 09:54 PM
One of these years I’ll get around to making a how to video of my various set ups, im not a big fan of being in front of cameras.  For the tarp I just set up the shack at my house and fasten it with 5-50 cord to all the hub tie downs.  Make sure not to cover any vents or windows so as not to impede ventilation for your heaters.  Any tarp will do you may have to trim the corners to fit the octagon shape of your shack but that’s pretty simple.  I always just let my corners run long cause I was worried the wind might fray the tarp then I had to tie down the excess so the flapping didn’t keep me up all night. I prefer a thicker tarp so it will hold up in the wind a little better but it should be cheap so you don’t feel bad replacing it every couple years due to wear and tear.  Once you get it fastened down pretty snug just collapse it and leave it all attached.  I don’t use a bag so I can’t say wether or not it will fit back in the bag or not, I just use a cinch strap and bundle it all up and throw it in my freight sled.  Once you get to your spot just pop it up and your good to go, you may have to adjust it a little but that’s as easy as just pulling on some corners.  I’ve never used reflectix on the inside I always just cranked my heater and never have any issues.  I also have never used a CO detector, which I don’t advise, I always make sure I have two windows open and all vents to make sure I have good cross ventilation.  I’m still alive so I know it works.  With good cross ventilation it also cuts down on the moisture in the shack and helps with air circulation making the need for a fan not necessary.  I found that the simpler you make your setup the easier every thing is, don’t over think it. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: A man called horse on Feb 19, 2021, 05:57 PM
Not on the ice,but on the Colorado river in Feb. Lee’s Ferry. After breaking down my tent it looked like an elk had bedded down where I slept.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Mar 08, 2021, 09:31 AM
Well after 5 years talking about spending the night on the ice on this thread Hawkeye and I finally did it last weekend!  We fished from Saturday morning until Sunday afternoon.  We setup on a river/setback for pike and walleye.  The walleye did not cooperate but we did have some fun with the pike with the largest being a nice 34" 10 # female.  Our set up for the overnight was simple in that we had our 9416I and a couple cots with a buddy heater for heat and a white gas coleman stove for back up heat. 

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  We slept in 0 deg. bags with lots of warm clothing layers and put on dry socks before bead.  We shut the heat off when we slept which was around 1 AM when Hawkeye called it quits.  We alternated on getting up and checking the rigs through the night.  We used the simple frabill blinking lights on the flags to let us know if we had a flag.  That way we could check for flags from our cots.  We didn't get any flags through the night however did get them just after dusk and right around first light.  It is a little hard to see in this picture but the orange/red blur next to the black lab blur in the picture is the light on tipup letting us we had a flag.


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For the most part the setup worked fine, we did have a little bit on water on the ice however not too much and that tightened by morning since we had shut off the heat while we slept.  The temps dipped down to around 11 deg. I didn't actually check but that was what was forecasted and that is what if felt like.  We did get a visit from the local police department at 5:30 for a safety check which was appreciated.  I woke up to hearing foot steps outside the tent and was thinking OK my pistol in under the cot when he announced who he was and that he was just there for a safety check, I thanked him.  The spot we were is close to the road
 and our vehicle which is convenient when you are doing an overnight.  The down side is that people can see you.

Lunch was venison steak with a garlic/onion/salt/pepper rub cooked in butter with fresh rosemary, yum.  Dinner was venison sausage, peppers and onions and the best eats of the trip was venison burgers topped  with bacon and eggs!

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Overall a good time was had by all and in addition to the fish and good food, we had a visit from a bobcat and a bald eagle to make the trip interesting.  We will definitely be doing it again.  I think next time I will bring some of the square foam mats for the floor otherwise everything went well.



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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Mar 08, 2021, 10:12 AM
Nice report! Glad you got to finally experience some winter camping. Catching fish makes it well worth it!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: FG Steve on Mar 10, 2021, 01:39 PM
Pictures aren’t the best because I actually took videos and then realized I can’t post videos on ice shanty! Whoops. The only thing I’ll do different next time is maybe get some reflectix or a tarp for the inner roof/ceiling.

Good to see you got out! Thanks for the report! You could always post the videos to YouTube and them post here!  It is pretty easy.

Well after 5 years talking about spending the night on the ice on this thread Hawkeye and I finally did it last weekend!

Hooray!  Finally!  That burger looks crazy good!  So glad you finally did it, and that you had a good experience.  It really is terrific fun.  Thanks for the report!

Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: mr.clean on Mar 10, 2021, 08:47 PM
 Bassin212 thank you for sharing the photos from your trip

Nosaj glad you and Hawkeye were finally able to do a camping trip on the ice . Looks like Hawkeye had a great time going from your photos.
 
 Steve
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: muskyon46 on Mar 11, 2021, 08:00 AM
Great stories and pics of your overnighters everyone. There is definitely a learning curve to get your set up the way you like it and its always evolving into something better. Sadly I put my ice camping stuff away yesterday. I'm planning on making hopefully 2 more day trips here. The camper and SXS are calling my wife and daughters name so its time to get that stuff ready. Here's a couple pics of our last trip last weekend, was just chasing trout and ended up with over 80 fish between 3 of us camping Friday to Sunday. Mostly cuts with a few bows mixed in. biggest came at 22.25in just barely pushing the slot limit where we were fishing


(https://i.postimg.cc/k2zThsJs/20210305-105842.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/k2zThsJs)

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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: mr.clean on Mar 11, 2021, 08:48 AM
Muskyon46 congratulations to you and the others in your group on a good weekend of fishing. Thank you for sharing the photos.
 Steve
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Mar 12, 2021, 10:02 AM
Like this? https://www.firstlite.com/products/obsidian-merino-pants (https://www.firstlite.com/products/obsidian-merino-pants)

Steve,

Great write up as always.  I have used those pants all season and love them.  I think they are the perfect pant to wear under ice fishing bibs due to their ability to retain heat if you sweat them up and they are light weight compared to the warmth they provide.  I bought a second pair because I wear them around the house all the time as they are so comfortable.  The only down sides are they are not good around briars (not an issue ice fishing) or a heavy wear situation and that they will shrink in a dryer.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Hawks222 on Sep 19, 2021, 08:12 AM
Planning on camping Mille lacs in Minnesota this winter. Good walleye bite over night. Gonna go when I can drive out on ice with my truck on roads through a resort. I’m wondering about bringing a deep cell marine battery for power. I work at an auto parts store so can get one and a power inverter for cheap. Don’t gotta worry about weight of it. Just wondering if that was feasible.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: badger132 on Sep 19, 2021, 08:27 AM
It is feasible, but what is it for? Since you are talking about an inverter, I assume you are running 110V- what would that be for? If there is more than a slight draw it will not last the night. For sure you can not run a heater for more than a few minutes.
If the power draw is more than a battery will support, a generator is about the same $ as a battery and a large inverter, and will provide 1000 or 2000 W, or even more. That is why you see them running outside fish houses all over.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/sportsman-1000w-inverter-portable-gasoline-generator-gen1000i


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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: IceAddict87 on Sep 21, 2021, 10:01 PM
I tried ice camping a couple years ago and haven’t bothered to try it again, but after talking to some buddies I think we are going to give it another shot. First time I went I had way too much stuff, need to thin it down a bit, my cot was WAY TOO BIG. Definitely didn’t allow enough time to setup, simple is best. Looking at going over New Years so the ice most likely won’t be thick enough for pickups, atv will have to do. Also trying ice camping for the first time when it’s -15 out with a 30mph wind was probably a bad idea.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Hawks222 on Sep 22, 2021, 01:30 PM
It is feasible, but what is it for? Since you are talking about an inverter, I assume you are running 110V- what would that be for? If there is more than a slight draw it will not last the night. For sure you can not run a heater for more than a few minutes.
If the power draw is more than a battery will support, a generator is about the same $ as a battery and a large inverter, and will provide 1000 or 2000 W, or even more. That is why you see them running outside fish houses all over.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/sportsman-1000w-inverter-portable-gasoline-generator-gen1000i


(https://i.postimg.cc/bdnkr7hC/Screen-Shot-2021-09-20-at-2-30-22-PM.png) (https://postimg.cc/bdnkr7hC)

Guess I was thinking charging phone/helix batteries, lights, radio. Maybe you’re right I don’t need it. Gonna be my first time this winter and don’t want it to be bad experience. It’s a 5 hour drive to Mille lacs for me where I’m planning on going.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: cwavs1982 on Sep 24, 2021, 08:09 AM
If you are thinking on using the battery to charge phones or lights, I would just get a couple of the power banks.  They are small/slim and plenty light.  These would operate your LED lights and keep your phone charged.  If you want to have a backup battery for your Helix you could look into a lithium battery. 

Not sure when you are heading to Mille Lacs, but cold can be an issue on your propane tank regulators, so you may want a backup and store in the truck.  Or, just put it inside your hut to keep it from frosting up.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Junkie4Ice on Sep 24, 2021, 08:18 AM
If you are thinking on using the battery to charge phones or lights, I would just get a couple of the power banks.  They are small/slim and plenty light.  These would operate your LED lights and keep your phone charged.  If you want to have a backup battery for your Helix you could look into a lithium battery. 

Not sure when you are heading to Mille Lacs, but cold can be an issue on your propane tank regulators, so you may want a backup and store in the truck.  Or, just put it inside your hut to keep it from frosting up.

Ditto this. These are the ones I use and they are great. Multiple phone charges and we've charged fairly large bluetooth speakers with them too. The helix would be the only issue.

https://www.amazon.com/Miady-10000mAh-Portable-Charger-Charging/dp/B07XFBN7HX/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=battery+packs&qid=1632488493&sr=8-4
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Hawks222 on Sep 24, 2021, 09:07 AM
If you are thinking on using the battery to charge phones or lights, I would just get a couple of the power banks.  They are small/slim and plenty light.  These would operate your LED lights and keep your phone charged.  If you want to have a backup battery for your Helix you could look into a lithium battery. 

Not sure when you are heading to Mille Lacs, but cold can be an issue on your propane tank regulators, so you may want a backup and store in the truck.  Or, just put it inside your hut to keep it from frosting up.

I do have an amped battery for helix. I don’t know if it would last 2 full days though. Thanks on the tip for those banks. I didn’t know they would do all that.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: cwavs1982 on Sep 24, 2021, 09:52 AM
Anker makes some nice power banks.  Depending on how much capacity you want to have you should be able to do all of your charging on one or two.  Here is a link of one:

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Ultra-Compact-High-Speed-VoltageBoost-Technology/dp/B07QXV6N1B/ref=pd_ybh_a_171?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=K0R28NS96TC8TFK3WBBT

You Tubers use these for video cameras, lights, phone charging. 

You may want a spare battery for your Helix - I can't comment on this, as I don't run that platform.  A spare should be much easier to carry than the generator.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Raquettedacker on Sep 24, 2021, 10:22 AM
Anker makes some nice power banks.  Depending on how much capacity you want to have you should be able to do all of your charging on one or two.  Here is a link of one:

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Ultra-Compact-High-Speed-VoltageBoost-Technology/dp/B07QXV6N1B/ref=pd_ybh_a_171?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=K0R28NS96TC8TFK3WBBT

You Tubers use these for video cameras, lights, phone charging. 

You may want a spare battery for your Helix - I can't comment on this, as I don't run that platform.  A spare should be much easier to carry than the generator.

   I have one of those and they work great....   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: badger132 on Sep 24, 2021, 11:49 AM
Planning on camping Mille lacs in Minnesota this winter. Good walleye bite over night. Gonna go when I can drive out on ice with my truck on roads through a resort. I’m wondering about bringing a deep cell marine battery for power. I work at an auto parts store so can get one and a power inverter for cheap. Don’t gotta worry about weight of it. Just wondering if that was feasible.

If you are bringing a truck, and that is all the power you need, your truck battery and alternator can provide all you need. Just get the appropriate car chargers for your electronics.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: mhexum on Sep 24, 2021, 09:31 PM
Anker makes some nice power banks.  Depending on how much capacity you want to have you should be able to do all of your charging on one or two.  Here is a link of one:

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Ultra-Compact-High-Speed-VoltageBoost-Technology/dp/B07QXV6N1B/ref=pd_ybh_a_171?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=K0R28NS96TC8TFK3WBBT

You Tubers use these for video cameras, lights, phone charging. 

You may want a spare battery for your Helix - I can't comment on this, as I don't run that platform.  A spare should be much easier to carry than the generator.

So this battery pack being 10,000 maH, does that work out to 10 AH? Or is those not equivalent?

Would there be a way to convert from USB to 12v to use something like this as a back up for a flasher?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: cwavs1982 on Oct 14, 2021, 12:10 PM
So this battery pack being 10,000 maH, does that work out to 10 AH? Or is those not equivalent?

Would there be a way to convert from USB to 12v to use something like this as a back up for a flasher?

Correct - 10,000 mah = 10 amp hrs

USB's output voltage is 5 vdc.  The flashers run on 12 vdc.  You will have to carry a spare 12 vdc battery either sealed lead acid or lithium cell battery if you think you need one.  The SLA's probably will need to be recharged each day depending on how much load you put on them.  The lithium cell batteries should be good for your camping trip.  It just gets down to how much do you want to carry out with you.  SLA batteries are about $25 each and the lithium are about $125 with charger included. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Oct 18, 2021, 06:42 AM
We have these in all the vehicles.  It is light weight and will start a 6 L gas engine.  I have used them on boats as well plus they will charge phones. 

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B015TKUPIC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Sylvanboat on Oct 18, 2021, 06:51 AM
We have these in all the vehicles.  It is light weight and will start a 6 L gas engine.  I have used them on boats as well plus they will charge phones. 

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B015TKUPIC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I understand the GP40 is only a jumper and you need to use the GP70 to use as a power source.  Correct?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 06, 2022, 10:06 PM
Pumped for another season of sleeping in a popup catching fish.  Some great posts last season, looking forward to reading some great stuff in here this season.  Anyone slept on the ice yet?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Jan 07, 2022, 08:13 PM
Not yet, but I plan on doing more of it. Ideally would like to find a good cusk spot and or crappie spot to give me something to “chase” at night. Maybe I’ll try my luck over in Vermont for my first ever walleye if I’m feeling adventurous
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Jan 10, 2022, 02:13 PM
Pumped for another season of sleeping in a popup catching fish.  Some great posts last season, looking forward to reading some great stuff in here this season.  Anyone slept on the ice yet?

Slept in the bunk in my flip while it was set up in my living room, that's about it! Got a trip planned the end of this month though.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 10, 2022, 06:04 PM
Not yet, but I plan on doing more of it. Ideally would like to find a good cusk spot and or crappie spot to give me something to “chase” at night. Maybe I’ll try my luck over in Vermont for my first ever walleye if I’m feeling adventurous

Trout are active at night and a lot of guys do not chase them.  I catch bows and browns often enough at nignt to target them. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Jan 10, 2022, 07:16 PM
Technically in NH we can’t target trout at night.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice
Post by: IceAddict87 on Jan 10, 2022, 09:05 PM
I have a few posts on this thread, one of which chronicles the disaster that was my first camping attempt. I learned a few things and I changed my equipment around. First of all I have downsized cots, the slumberjack big cot is still my favorite cot but it is just way to big for ice camping. Downsized to the regular slumber jack, still a big cot but it fits much better. The inside of the otter is light colored which also makes it feel larger. Now I just have to plan an overnight trip. Will definitely be using the K.I.S.S. system, the simpler the better.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 10, 2022, 10:04 PM
I went out New Year’s Eve with the plan of staying for two nights but I left early so as to beat one of if not the most horrific wind storms in south central Alaska history.  They were clocking wind speeds in Palmer over 100mph and with single digit temps it got real ugly.  I haven’t done a 2 night popup trip in over ten years, all my popup trips are usually a week long minimum so I left the floor at home and just roughed it a little.  The whole purpose of this trip was to test some new gear so fishing wasn’t really a priority.  I built a new run and gun setup for my snow machine, which I detailed in another thread, and I wanted to test it on a rough bumpy trail.  I picked a lake 20+ miles from the lodge and headed out in temps a little warmer than I would have preferred but when you get single digits you just have to deal with the heat.  I made it about 5 miles down the trail before I bumped into a momma lynx trying to kill and eat her kitten so I promptly dispatched the both of them.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y4DGFtBy/0394501-A-2-EA8-4-D23-AD6-C-60-C27-E939-DE9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4DGFtBy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sG7vbSQt/404-E5926-A066-4393-8231-AEBBAD3-B38-B8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sG7vbSQt)
The kitten was limping towards me down the trail and I dispatched her at about 75 yards with a 22.250.  I put her in the bag and made it about 50 yards down the trail before momma stepped out and sat down in the trail 20 yards from me.  I took a short video and promptly dispatched her with a 22 instead of the big rifle.  Needless to say I was feeling a little good so the next 15 miles we’re rather enjoyable.  I new there was a potential wind storm on the way so I didn’t want to get to far from the trail so only went out onto the lake about a mile and setup.  Something new I was testing this trip was an adjustable pole holding up the ceiling hub to help keep the roof from collapsing from wind or to much weight from hanging stuff off the poles.  Little did I know that pole would save my butt.  I started playing with my new livescope and am throughly addicted, I caught one small laker and that was it.  Right about midnight the wind started and even with a guy lines and a packed down skirt the shack still wanted to collapse in the sustained 40 knot winds.  The center pole held everything together perfectly until I decided to pack it in at about 7:30am.  I’m certain without that center pole the roof would have collapsed and all hell would have broke loose, I’ve had shacks collapse in heavy winds before but not in negative single digits.  I probably could have stayed another night but it was supposed to drop to -20 that night and didn’t feel like dealing with those wind chills.  I had a blustery ride back to the lodge and had no issues.
(https://i.postimg.cc/m1ByXbhN/CC6-A3-D70-197-D-4290-A577-94-E70-BA789-CF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/m1ByXbhN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/m1jNK0Hx/F242-C4-DC-8441-48-A9-920-D-9-D497-AB01388.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/m1jNK0Hx)
My new setup performed better than I expected and I could not be happier.  I made the 3 hour drive home just in time for the full brunt of the storm to get started.  The wind blew in the valley with sustained winds over 70mph for 5 days with gusts well over 100.  There was massive amounts of damage including whole buildings being ripped apart.  Some people were with out power and heat for 4 days.  The wind is still blowing out there just no where near as bad as it was last week.  Luckily us Alaskans are a hearty bunch and we all pitched in to help those in need just like we do in any of our natural disasters.  I will be heading up this weekend for one more test run to go over my setup and gear before my month long trip in March.  I’ll be taking my floor and big shack and making sure everything is in proper working order.  I was hoping for some good cold to really test my stuff but it looks like I’ll have to deal with more single digits.  I’ve done a bunch trips at -40 so I kind of know how things should go I’ll just have to pretend it’s that cold.  I’ll try to take some pics of my setup and some action photos of my boxes actually fishing instead of just hanging out in the lodge parking lot.  I need to test my overflow rescue kit so I’ll defiantly take some pics of that in action and maybe even a fish if I actually get time to fish.  Hope you all have a good season and enjoy your time camping on the ice.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 11, 2022, 08:31 PM
Technically in NH we can’t target trout at night.

I never understood that. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 11, 2022, 08:33 PM
I went out New Year’s Eve with the plan of staying for two nights but I left early so as to beat one of if not the most horrific wind storms in south central Alaska history.  They were clocking wind speeds in Palmer over 100mph and with single digit temps it got real ugly.  I haven’t done a 2 night popup trip in over ten years, all my popup trips are usually a week long minimum so I left the floor at home and just roughed it a little.  The whole purpose of this trip was to test some new gear so fishing wasn’t really a priority.  I built a new run and gun setup for my snow machine, which I detailed in another thread, and I wanted to test it on a rough bumpy trail.  I picked a lake 20+ miles from the lodge and headed out in temps a little warmer than I would have preferred but when you get single digits you just have to deal with the heat.  I made it about 5 miles down the trail before I bumped into a momma lynx trying to kill and eat her kitten so I promptly dispatched the both of them.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y4DGFtBy/0394501-A-2-EA8-4-D23-AD6-C-60-C27-E939-DE9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4DGFtBy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sG7vbSQt/404-E5926-A066-4393-8231-AEBBAD3-B38-B8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sG7vbSQt)
The kitten was limping towards me down the trail and I dispatched her at about 75 yards with a 22.250.  I put her in the bag and made it about 50 yards down the trail before momma stepped out and sat down in the trail 20 yards from me.  I took a short video and promptly dispatched her with a 22 instead of the big rifle.  Needless to say I was feeling a little good so the next 15 miles we’re rather enjoyable.  I new there was a potential wind storm on the way so I didn’t want to get to far from the trail so only went out onto the lake about a mile and setup.  Something new I was testing this trip was an adjustable pole holding up the ceiling hub to help keep the roof from collapsing from wind or to much weight from hanging stuff off the poles.  Little did I know that pole would save my butt.  I started playing with my new livescope and am throughly addicted, I caught one small laker and that was it.  Right about midnight the wind started and even with a guy lines and a packed down skirt the shack still wanted to collapse in the sustained 40 knot winds.  The center pole held everything together perfectly until I decided to pack it in at about 7:30am.  I’m certain without that center pole the roof would have collapsed and all hell would have broke loose, I’ve had shacks collapse in heavy winds before but not in negative single digits.  I probably could have stayed another night but it was supposed to drop to -20 that night and didn’t feel like dealing with those wind chills.  I had a blustery ride back to the lodge and had no issues.
(https://i.postimg.cc/m1ByXbhN/CC6-A3-D70-197-D-4290-A577-94-E70-BA789-CF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/m1ByXbhN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/m1jNK0Hx/F242-C4-DC-8441-48-A9-920-D-9-D497-AB01388.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/m1jNK0Hx)
My new setup performed better than I expected and I could not be happier.  I made the 3 hour drive home just in time for the full brunt of the storm to get started.  The wind blew in the valley with sustained winds over 70mph for 5 days with gusts well over 100.  There was massive amounts of damage including whole buildings being ripped apart.  Some people were with out power and heat for 4 days.  The wind is still blowing out there just no where near as bad as it was last week.  Luckily us Alaskans are a hearty bunch and we all pitched in to help those in need just like we do in any of our natural disasters.  I will be heading up this weekend for one more test run to go over my setup and gear before my month long trip in March.  I’ll be taking my floor and big shack and making sure everything is in proper working order.  I was hoping for some good cold to really test my stuff but it looks like I’ll have to deal with more single digits.  I’ve done a bunch trips at -40 so I kind of know how things should go I’ll just have to pretend it’s that cold.  I’ll try to take some pics of my setup and some action photos of my boxes actually fishing instead of just hanging out in the lodge parking lot.  I need to test my overflow rescue kit so I’ll defiantly take some pics of that in action and maybe even a fish if I actually get time to fish.  Hope you all have a good season and enjoy your time camping on the ice.

What a trip, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 11, 2022, 10:30 PM
I went out New Year’s Eve with the plan of staying for two nights but I left early so as to beat one of if not the most horrific wind storms in south central Alaska history.  They were clocking wind speeds in Palmer over 100mph and with single digit temps it got real ugly.  I haven’t done a 2 night popup trip in over ten years, all my popup trips are usually a week long minimum so I left the floor at home and just roughed it a little.  The whole purpose of this trip was to test some new gear so fishing wasn’t really a priority.  I built a new run and gun setup for my snow machine, which I detailed in another thread, and I wanted to test it on a rough bumpy trail.  I picked a lake 20+ miles from the lodge and headed out in temps a little warmer than I would have preferred but when you get single digits you just have to deal with the heat.  I made it about 5 miles down the trail before I bumped into a momma lynx trying to kill and eat her kitten so I promptly dispatched the both of them.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y4DGFtBy/0394501-A-2-EA8-4-D23-AD6-C-60-C27-E939-DE9.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4DGFtBy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/sG7vbSQt/404-E5926-A066-4393-8231-AEBBAD3-B38-B8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sG7vbSQt)
The kitten was limping towards me down the trail and I dispatched her at about 75 yards with a 22.250.  I put her in the bag and made it about 50 yards down the trail before momma stepped out and sat down in the trail 20 yards from me.  I took a short video and promptly dispatched her with a 22 instead of the big rifle.  Needless to say I was feeling a little good so the next 15 miles we’re rather enjoyable.  I new there was a potential wind storm on the way so I didn’t want to get to far from the trail so only went out onto the lake about a mile and setup.  Something new I was testing this trip was an adjustable pole holding up the ceiling hub to help keep the roof from collapsing from wind or to much weight from hanging stuff off the poles.  Little did I know that pole would save my butt.  I started playing with my new livescope and am throughly addicted, I caught one small laker and that was it.  Right about midnight the wind started and even with a guy lines and a packed down skirt the shack still wanted to collapse in the sustained 40 knot winds.  The center pole held everything together perfectly until I decided to pack it in at about 7:30am.  I’m certain without that center pole the roof would have collapsed and all hell would have broke loose, I’ve had shacks collapse in heavy winds before but not in negative single digits.  I probably could have stayed another night but it was supposed to drop to -20 that night and didn’t feel like dealing with those wind chills.  I had a blustery ride back to the lodge and had no issues.
(https://i.postimg.cc/m1ByXbhN/CC6-A3-D70-197-D-4290-A577-94-E70-BA789-CF.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/m1ByXbhN)

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My new setup performed better than I expected and I could not be happier.  I made the 3 hour drive home just in time for the full brunt of the storm to get started.  The wind blew in the valley with sustained winds over 70mph for 5 days with gusts well over 100.  There was massive amounts of damage including whole buildings being ripped apart.  Some people were with out power and heat for 4 days.  The wind is still blowing out there just no where near as bad as it was last week.  Luckily us Alaskans are a hearty bunch and we all pitched in to help those in need just like we do in any of our natural disasters.  I will be heading up this weekend for one more test run to go over my setup and gear before my month long trip in March.  I’ll be taking my floor and big shack and making sure everything is in proper working order.  I was hoping for some good cold to really test my stuff but it looks like I’ll have to deal with more single digits.  I’ve done a bunch trips at -40 so I kind of know how things should go I’ll just have to pretend it’s that cold.  I’ll try to take some pics of my setup and some action photos of my boxes actually fishing instead of just hanging out in the lodge parking lot.  I need to test my overflow rescue kit so I’ll defiantly take some pics of that in action and maybe even a fish if I actually get time to fish.  Hope you all have a good season and enjoy your time camping on the ice.

Jason
Keep you eye on the COVID rules. Not sure where we're at right now.

Here are the NWT rules. I think you could isolate out at camp but you would need email access to fill in the COVID check list unless that's changed.
https://www.gov.nt.ca/covid-19/en/visitors-non-residents (https://www.gov.nt.ca/covid-19/en/visitors-non-residents)

Entry to Canada stuff.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/arrivecan.html (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/arrivecan.html)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 11, 2022, 11:38 PM
 Cool thanks I just finished my last vaccine shot and have to check in with arrive Canada app.  I will have to have a negative test within 72 hours of crossing the border.  I’ll look into the web site, it’s going to be hard to email when I’m 130 miles from cell service.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 12, 2022, 01:35 PM
Cool thanks I just finished my last vaccine shot and have to check in with arrive Canada app.  I will have to have a negative test within 72 hours of crossing the border.  I’ll look into the web site, it’s going to be hard to email when I’m 130 miles from cell service.
Hope they don't mind that you're isolating on the land.
You should get everything you need before you get here so as not to break protocol.
 Fishing license: https://www.enr.gov.nt.ca/en/services/get-fishing-licence/buying-fishing-licence-online (https://www.enr.gov.nt.ca/en/services/get-fishing-licence/buying-fishing-licence-online)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 12, 2022, 02:54 PM
I hope it all works out and I’m able to make it this year.  I don’t think my wife will tolerate another full year of my insane planning and scheming.  Although if I go next year maybe I can fish for 2 months instead of just one😉.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 13, 2022, 12:33 PM
God bless you Canadians dealing with restrictions...I'd lose my mind if it were that bad down here in the states.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: thndrvlly on Jan 13, 2022, 01:19 PM
"I went out New Year’s Eve with the plan of staying for two nights but I left early so as to beat one of if not the most horrific wind storms in south central Alaska history.  They were clocking wind speeds in Palmer over 100mph and with single digit temps it got real ugly.  I haven’t done a 2 night popup trip in over ten years, all my popup trips are usually a week long minimum so I left the floor at home and just roughed it a little.  The whole purpose of this trip was to test some new gear so fishing wasn’t really a priority.  I built a new run and gun setup for my snow machine, which I detailed in another thread, and I wanted to test it on a rough bumpy trail.  I picked a lake 20+ miles from the lodge and headed out in temps a little warmer than I would have preferred but when you get single digits you just have to deal with the heat."

holy smokes, i will never complain on how cold or windy it is icefishing here in Ct. this is the Bahamas  here for you guys. absolutely amazing trip and adventure you did. the whole trip blew my mind lol. plus the bonus of some nice fur on top of it. i dont even know if we should could call it icefishing here lol. best of luck icefishing and surviving making a mistake is trully a live or death situation
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 14, 2022, 04:31 PM

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Made the 3 hour drive north and made it to the lodge about 9:30 due to pretty crappy road conditions.  Less than 3 hours and 10 miles later I’m fully set up and making lunch.  Temps were way warm when I got to the lodge I was literally loading in a T-shirt at 26 above.  Luckily the clouds burned off and now I’m sitting at a very comfortable 10 above with rolling patches of ice fog.  I’m very happy with the efficiency of my new setup and the layout should work very well for a month long trip.  I don’t normally do 2 day popup trips so with the ease of this setup I think I might be able to do more remote weekend trips.  I’ll probably setup up my overflow rescue kit and take a few pics after I eat.  Service is spotty out here so hopefully this posts.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Jan 14, 2022, 05:28 PM
awesome post! I'd love to see the details on your wood floor. How it was built and how it packs up. Looks like a great set up!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 14, 2022, 05:52 PM

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The floor is 3/4” marine grade plywood and I built it in 4 sections.  Each section is made of 3 other sections that are connected with hinges so I can fold them up and not fight with 12 individual sections.  For blocking I used pressure treated 4x4’s ripped down the middle so I would essentially have odd sized 2x4’s.  I’ll take a pic if I remember when I pack up so you can see how the blocking is laid out.  I have one of those huge otter sleds and I cut all the panels to fit folded up in the freight sled and it only stacks up 9” tall so I still have room to put gear on top and not fall out of the sled.  I do a lot of sight fishing so I wanted a hole that was at least 4’x2’ but I only cut that big hole when I plan for it.  Right now I’m just running two 10” holes one for jigging and the other for the livescope.  I’ve built many floors over the years and for ease of setup this is probably one of the better ones however it does have a little weight to it but I have a snow machine designed to haul some weight so no worries here.  If you are blocking up your floor I would suggest plywood no smaller than 3/4” to help support weight in between the blocking.  If you are not blocking up your floor then a minimum of 3/8” plywood would work just fine and you wouldn’t need hinges to help with support just make sure you label all your sections if they are different sizes.  Also to take into account overflow if your not blocking, having a plywood floor does no good if it’s all under water.  Having a floor will defiantly change how you camp and the comfort level is defiantly worth the extra work.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Jan 14, 2022, 06:04 PM
this is awesome, thank you! One day i'll build out a floor. I'm debating something like you have there, blocked into sections but I'd definitely need a bigger utility sled. Or i've though about building a floor and basically folding it in half and use the support blocks as ski's. that way it is dual purpose as a floor and a sled.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 14, 2022, 06:44 PM
I designed a freight sled floor that a buddy built out of aluminum and didn’t quite follow my design.  Full length skis are a must.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 15, 2022, 02:52 AM
Sick floor.  Amazed by the inginuity in this thread.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 15, 2022, 02:52 AM
this is awesome, thank you! One day i'll build out a floor. I'm debating something like you have there, blocked into sections but I'd definitely need a bigger utility sled. Or i've though about building a floor and basically folding it in half and use the support blocks as ski's. that way it is dual purpose as a floor and a sled.

Id like to camp champlain again this year maybe later season, swanton/alburg area if you want to get down!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Jan 15, 2022, 08:11 AM
Absolutely ! Just ordered the otter monster lodge too. I’ll be heading to Champlain in a couple weeks (not camping this time) and possibly lake George mid February if it freezes
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 15, 2022, 01:02 PM
Sick floor.  Amazed by the inginuity in this thread.

Thank you.  The floor is defiantly a game changer for extended trips.  I’ve done floorless trips and after 2 days you spend the next 6 days wearing rubber boots because there’s 2” of water on the floor.  I would be sitting in an inch of water as I type this instead of sitting here drinking my coffee barefoot.  It’s such a beautiful morning I’ll probably go for a ride and look for some fur. I did manage one 11 pound burbot last night and had a handful of bites from smaller fish.  The good news is the temps finally got back down to a comfortable range, I woke up and the thermometer said -8 so hopefully that holds and doesn’t get much warmer. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 15, 2022, 05:24 PM
Just got back from a ride and I was able to get two nice river otters.
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The one with no back foot weighed 21 pounds and the other one weighed 22 pounds so average size sub adults is what I’m thinking.  Probably both males as they were alone and the one had extremely full scent glands that decided to squirt all over everything including me, little *****.  I saw another one but it was in an unrecoverable location so he’s free to keep killing more burbot.  I ended up having to belly crawl a little to get the one cause my recovery hook got hung up on the edge of the ice, slight pucker factor involved.  All in all it’s been a good day now I just need to catch some fish.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 16, 2022, 11:29 PM
Got everything all packed up and made my way home, the roads were pretty bad so it was not my normal pleasant 3 hour drive with billion dollar scenery.
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The floor packs up real nice and I had no issues getting the shack put away.  I always make sure before I bank my shack to put a good amount of snow under the skirt before I put snow on top.  If I wouldn’t have done this the skirt would have frozen to the ice and I would have torn it trying to get it up.  As you can see in the pics there was a fair amount of water on top the ice due to overflow so without the floor staying for any length of time would have been pretty miserable.  This is my first time using an insulated shack and I am very happy with how it performed and condensation was really not bad at all.  I’ll be curious to see how the condensation is when I’m out for more than a week in real temps not these single digit heat wave temps.  I have a tarp for just in case I need to put it over the roof in the event the ceiling starts to drip.  All in all I think this shake down trip went good now it’s time to start planning for a good two week trip in March to see how this setup works on a more lengthy trip.
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I had one last surprise on the way back to the lodge. I found this guy wandering around out in the middle of the lake and was fortunate to make another donation to the fur bag.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Drifter_016 on Jan 17, 2022, 10:19 AM
Jason
From experience with uninsulated shacks I can tell you that I have never had any dripping (but I haven't stayed in it overnight). I just end up with a thick coat of frost on the ceiling. I believe the moisture issues happen closer to the freezing point and above.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 17, 2022, 01:14 PM
Yes I agree.  When I’m out in super cold stuff the condensation usually just freezes.  However over the course of a two week trip I generally see big temp shifts and have to deal with the drips.  That is why I generally equip all my shacks with tarps so there’s no midnight scramble to keep gear from getting soak.  FYI don’t eat the shanty ice it will make you sick don’t ask how I know😄.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: mr.clean on Jan 17, 2022, 08:23 PM
Akhardwater thank you for sharing the photos and report from your recent trip.
   Steve
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 17, 2022, 08:49 PM
Akhardwater thank you for sharing the photos and report from your recent trip.
   Steve

Your welcome.  I figured it was time to start sharing with you guys stuff that Ive developed from over 15 years of camping on ice.  Hopefully something I posted helps you guys in your trips and saves you from the hard lessons learned that I had to go through.  Trust me at -40 those lessons are very painful and sometimes very dangerous so if I can help you guys in any way please feel free to ask I’m happy to help.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Ascott3006 on Jan 17, 2022, 11:23 PM
Is that a coyote? Where abouts are you located? Im in upstate NY thanks for sharing your trip.
A.J.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Jan 18, 2022, 12:20 AM
Yeah it’s a coyote. He was out wondering around in the middle of the lake and made for a pretty easy target with my 22.250.  Unfortunately the rounds I’m shooting are designed for wolves and needless to say I’m going to have to do a little sewing.  I’m located in south central Alaska about 10 miles outside of Anchorage but I fish about 3 hours north in some pretty awesome country.  If the fish aren’t biting there’s always fur to chase.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Ascott3006 on Jan 18, 2022, 04:50 AM
Ive been out calling while the ice builds here. Had 3 red fox come in the other morning. Im shooting a 17 WSM. My father took his 1st wolf with it while in ontario CA. Im super envious Ive always dreamed of AK. Thanks for sharing with us. 22 250 great gun not fur friendly lol.
A.J.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Jan 19, 2022, 10:05 AM
Id like to camp champlain again this year maybe later season, swanton/alburg area if you want to get down!

If you guys are up for some company Hawkeye and I have been talking about a Champlain trip for a while.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 19, 2022, 11:26 AM
If you guys are up for some company Hawkeye and I have been talking about a Champlain trip for a while.

Company is best for these missions.  Ive gone solo and its fun but company helps.  Thinking alburg area.  Eyes at night.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Jan 19, 2022, 11:50 AM
Company is best for these missions.  Ive gone solo and its fun but company helps.  Thinking alburg area.  Eyes at night.

I'd be down for this but I guess I'd have to reg my snowmobile in VT. I can't drag my setup by hand at all, it's just a beast.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 19, 2022, 04:45 PM
I'd be down for this but I guess I'd have to reg my snowmobile in VT. I can't drag my setup by hand at all, it's just a beast.

If we wait for later Feb we can just drive on the ice. 
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Jan 19, 2022, 06:48 PM
Iowaccord i'm sure knows way better than me. But I believe in Vermont if you're not using any trail systems to access the lake. You're good with a valid NH Reg. NY I think is the same, but requires proof of insurance? I'll be heading to champlain for a friends birthday February 4th and might head to lake George or back to Champlain around the 19th.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 19, 2022, 06:58 PM
I actually do not know.  Ive always used my vehicle up there, ice permitting.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Nosaj on Jan 19, 2022, 10:10 PM
Eyes at night sounds perfect!  Keeping late February open.  Sleds or vehicles we are in.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Jan 20, 2022, 04:20 PM
Awesome!  Will start planning now.  Green lights are ready.  I ha e a pike spot a but north if where I typically camp that is bananas.  Like 6 dozen baits or more bananas.  Your son will enjoy that.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ctbob on Feb 08, 2022, 10:22 AM
After all the helpful info in this tread, I finally spent my first night on the ice this past Sunday, and I still have alot to learn. Since I rarely used my last pop up and sold it, I opted for an uninsulated 3/4 person amazon cheapie that I can probably use during the regular camping season. My first problem was I didn't want to step on the skirt with cleated boots, and the wind was blowing enough to cave in one side, and I was just praying I wouldn't loose my grip and have to chase it down the lake. When I finally got it set up I found out that one of my pre drilled holes was on the edge of the tent meaning I couldn't set up a tip up there overnight. A 3/4 person tent may be big enough for just fishing, but for camping, I wish I had more room as you can see from the picture.

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I started fishing around 3 and only managed 3 small perch on a jigging rod. Nothing on a deadstick using a medium shiner.
After dark I used the buddy heater with a paint grate to heat up a precooked hamburger, but on high it didn't take long for the bun to start to char and leaving burger just warm. Probably would of been better on medium heat. 

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 When I got ready for bed, it was great advise to change cloths. No cotton on my undershirt and long johns. I felt warmer immediately. As suggested, I should of stayed with that, but added sweatpants and a hoodie.  I slept on a pad with a zero degree mummie inside a summer sleeping bag and was actually too warm. When I woke up in the morning the sleeping bag was wet with condensation although the exposed mummie bag around my head was bone dry. Made some instant coffee on the buddy heater,  and jigged for a couple of hours with only a single light tug on the line.
 I avoided a potential problem when I woke up to check my phone that I put on a table a few hours earlier. It was so cold that it wouldn't turn on until i warmed it under the covers. I litterally would of been lost without my google maps.
After loading some loose stuff in the sled I made a trip to the car. Came back, jigged a little more, then decided to pack up as snow started falling.
I'm going to give it another try eventually, but not sure if my 69 year old overweight body is up to the task. There were alot of things I wanted to try but I was beat after lugging 2 overloaded sleds, hand drilling thru 12 inches of ice, and struggling with the popup on a windy day. My next trip will have a drill set up for the auger, and am looking into ways to lighten load. And if anyone could let me know. If I just sleep in longjohns and t shirt, can I put back on"sweaty sweaters and coveralls" from the day before. I had alot of layers with no where to store them.

A look on my lightened load as I headed home.

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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Feb 08, 2022, 11:07 AM
Good for you for getting out!

I keep my clothes in a dry bag, but you could also throw them in a large trash bag (just to keep them dry). Base layers are most important. I’d say you can definitely put on yesterdays sweaty clothes but dry base layers would be best. If you want to limit the clothes. Sleep in the clean dry stuff but hangout yesterdays base layers to dry out for the next morning. I usually sleep with my phone in my sleeping bag or put it in a soft lunch box with a hand warmer. I would dress extremely light on the walk out, you’re working hard and warming up so try to reduce sweating. When setting up your pop up, put an anchor into the wind, attach a corner to it and then pop it out. That way the wind will open it up and actually make it easier and it won’t blow away.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Feb 08, 2022, 01:57 PM
Glad you got out CTBob.  The fun is learning and fine tuming the approach to where it becomes comfortable.  Cant beat waking up ready to fish.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ctbob on Feb 08, 2022, 02:01 PM
thank you bassin212, all good tips especially the anchor one. Other questions you or others might help me with. Can you store the popup in the bag not completely dry. It's been a day and a half and I've flipped it once, but it's still wet in spots. And what about walking on foam mats with your ice spikes. Thanks in advance anyone.
And thanks lowaccord66 for your tips and offers of help. I've already thought of a few things to lighten the load.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Akhardwater on Feb 08, 2022, 09:49 PM
ctbob you will want to take your shack and set it up and leave it up so it can completely dry, if you leave it wet it will mildew and rot the fabric.  As far as keeping warm at night just leave your heater on and sleep in your boxers and a t-shirt.  Make sure you have two windows open for good cross ventilation and a carbon monoxide detector and be warm and comfortable.  The whole purpose of sleeping on the ice is so you can fish all night and know exactly when the morning bite starts.  If you aren’t going to fish all night then sleep at home in a nice warm bed there is no point in suffering.  I get that some guys are just afraid to run the heat all night but take it from someone who has spent literally hundreds of nights on the ice you will be just fine if you use a little common sense.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Feb 08, 2022, 09:57 PM
thank you bassin212, all good tips especially the anchor one. Other questions you or others might help me with. Can you store the popup in the bag not completely dry. It's been a day and a half and I've flipped it once, but it's still wet in spots. And what about walking on foam mats with your ice spikes. Thanks in advance anyone.
And thanks lowaccord66 for your tips and offers of help. I've already thought of a few things to lighten the load.

In terms of walking on the foam Mats id think it would really depend on how thick they are and how serious your spikes are. For the most part id think you’d be ok. Maybe test it out at home and just step on one and see what happens. I don’t have the luxury of being able to set my hut up inside but I usually just open the bag, put the shack on top and run it next to my dehumidifier for 24 hours, flip it, 24 hours and call it good.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ctbob on Feb 09, 2022, 08:58 AM
 Thanks guys for the tips. Akhardwater, my purpose for camping on the water is different from yours. I don't see well driving in the dark, and all the good lakes are at least an hour from home. I miss alot of the morning bite, and don't have the patience to wait around for the late afternoon/night bite. I'm not interested in fishing all night, although I'll have lines in the water. I just want to head out from home around noon, with plenty of time to catch the evening bite, and also  be able to fish the early morning bite. Then  pack up and head home by mid day after rush hour. I was planning on using my buddy heater if I got cold, had the co detector, but I never needed to once I was in my sleeping bags.   
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Bern73 on Feb 09, 2022, 11:23 AM
Just tested new tent and heating device for camping.

I did camping on ice 5 and 6 years ago , 3 nights usually . Learned some lessons and decide to upgrade  equipment . I was busy last 4 years  and didn't have chance to get on ice .  I've got a Snowdog 3 years ago, and now much easier to move all camping stuff.

Also I tried to minimize everything as always .

Propane was changed to woodstove .   Woodstove is much more powerful , reliable,  cheaper , I can use any type of fuel, firewood or bricks from Lowes or home depot, even wooden tip-ups  ;D .    I was tested my stove on  bricks from Lowes , works perfect !   One brick was last 3.5 hours with decent amount of power ,I just started fire and forgot .  3 bricks cost me 6 $.   Next time I want to test it on firewood from my home. No more Propane, it was always problem , low oxygen, low pressure in tank e t c. and it's not enough power.

Cooking is much easier on woodstove.

Also tested new tent.   It is yellow , no black inside, European style , but one minus- made in China, have to replace straps and hooks, they are garbage.  It was already made for woodstove chimney.   
On my Transport -Snowdog,  I replaced motor (much more power 420cc)  and put big car battery .   With new battery on machine  I have endless electricity 12V and can connect chargers or Lights directly. No more worries about dying phone or stupid power bank .

Here some pictures  Old camping

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New tent and woodstove.


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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Steamtrain on Feb 09, 2022, 02:50 PM
Great report!
Any more info on the stove?
Weight?
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Bern73 on Feb 09, 2022, 03:02 PM
Great report!
Any more info on the stove?
Weight?

Stove is about 11 lb  , all pipes goes inside and don't take extra space .   It is Stainless 304 steel .  (high% nickel and chrome)  It is changed color to dark a little and surface , but it's a Stove!  Very fast cooled down when I finished using it. It has a bag to keep it.
I think this is the best investment in ice camping gear.. 
Fire controls by holes on a cup , how much air goes inside, I don't think I need CO detector, but I am going to buy a little one, for  better sleeping.

This Stove was a gift from my relative in Russia.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Bern73 on Feb 09, 2022, 03:32 PM
I did video , just to save it.

Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: cdubbs on Feb 13, 2022, 06:30 PM
ctbob
Very cool. your a better man than me.. what was the temperature at night. I guess after a day of work on the ice, in the wind and cold you slept well anyway. Good for you !!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: mr.clean on Feb 13, 2022, 09:09 PM
 CTBob, thank you for sharing a report and photos from your trip.

Bern73 nice looking set-up, couple of suggestions look into some type of heat shield to protect shelter from the stove and if the stove pipe does not have a spark arrestor purchase and install one on the pipe. You do not need any stray sparks going up the pipe and at minmum landing on the shelter and burning holes worst case igniting the shelter on fire.

Steve
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Feb 13, 2022, 09:16 PM
I’ve done a handful of overnight trips in my clam 1660 thermal six pack, sold it and bought a monster lodge. This was my first overnight in it and it was great. Set up Friday afternoon and fished until Sunday afternoon. The more tips I do the better I’ll get at pictures hopefully. To eager to get set up and fishing rather than taking pictures. Friday night was nice and warm (about 40 degrees so we slept without heat. Saturday night dipped into the 20’s so we just run a small buddy heater on low with a CO detector.


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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Bern73 on Feb 13, 2022, 10:08 PM
CTBob, thank you for sharing a report and photos from your trip.

Bern73 nice looking set-up, couple of suggestions look into some type of heat shield to protect shelter from the stoveand if the stove pipe does not have a spark arrestor purchase and install one on the pipe. You do not need any stray sparks going up the pipe and at minmum landing on the shelter and burning holes worst case igniting the shelter on fire.

Steve

Will see , some users recommended to keep pipe strait in case of wind.  Snow and rain do not affect process. I am back to camping on ice . It is so cool  :)
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: ctbob on Feb 14, 2022, 06:21 AM
ctbob
Very cool. your a better man than me.. what was the temperature at night. I guess after a day of work on the ice, in the wind and cold you slept well anyway. Good for you !!

cdubbs, I think the outside overnight temp was around 20. I know my water bottle had started to freeze before I went to bed. I was warm though inside my sleeping bags, but if my face got hot and came out from undercover, it was cold within minutes.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Bern73 on Feb 22, 2022, 06:00 PM
Spent first night on the ice with new setup .

Wind was 10-15 mph  (on video) with no problem,  very comfortable . But wind  was brutal lately after 11 pm.    I have to do homework to modify tent skirt for strong winds.

Wood stove works like it should,  no problems at all. With Very strong wind for an hour it was just reduces heat output.  No smoke or something .


Bern73 nice looking set-up, couple of suggestions look into some type of heat shield to protect shelter from the stove and if the stove pipe does not have a spark arrestor purchase and install one on the pipe. You do not need any stray sparks going up the pipe and at minmum landing on the shelter and burning holes worst case igniting the shelter on fire.

Steve

Thanks Steve,  Stove already have second metal shield to protect from very hot main chamber , that second metal almost normal temperature , I can move stove  with gloves..  If I use bricks, no spark arrestor need , I need to try regular firewood next time . I keep pipe straight as recommended.
  No moisture is a Big plus ..  Heat is not even comparable with propane. A little wood smell is ok for me )

The biggest problem with strong wind is noise from everywhere , from cables, pipe and tent itself .

The skirt is always problem on glare ice, instead of freeze it to the ice , I am thinking to make a cable or metal bar that will hold it down.

I have to do homework on transport too. All sleds need different hithes.




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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: mr.clean on Feb 22, 2022, 09:10 PM
Bern73 thank you for the short video. Interesting stove design with the attached heat shield.

 Steve
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Dec 02, 2023, 06:41 AM
Its almost time for some ice camping.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: WARRIOR_ON_ICE on Dec 02, 2023, 10:37 AM
Ice camping is something I believe everyone should try at least once. I have done it maybe for 10 nights in total ( none consecutive ) through the years.

I mostly do tipup fishing, so camping on the ice only makes sense to me anymore when the overnight temp. will remain above the high 20's so that the tipups can be left in all night. Trying for overnight crappies and possibly walleyes.

If it is going to get cold enough that the tipups need to be taken out for the night, then it is too cold to enjoy being inside the popup all night, with the stuff that I own. Anyone can make themselves stay warm if they buy the right gear, but I don't have any real winter camping gear.

A good strategy that I use, because I am never fishing more than about 3/4 mile from my car anyway, is to leave the popup all set up, and all of the equipment inside it, tipups wrapped up etc. and just walk off at sunset and go sleep in the car, running it for heat throughout the night as needed. Then just before sunup, walk back out in the half-dark and start putting tipups in again and get the early bite. If the overnight temp stayed high enough, you can just use yesterday's holes as-is or just kick out or hatchet out a skim of ice on them if needed. You can even skip resounding the holes if your tipups are already marked and the depth there is constant.

Keep the stories coming, they are interesting to read
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: SLAYERFISH on Dec 02, 2023, 10:44 AM
I have camped on the ice twice many years ago.  Drove my 1976 Chevy 4x4 with a slide-in camper on it just drove out to the middle the lake.  It had a propane furnace and all that stuff.  Very comfy! ;D
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: muskyon46 on Dec 02, 2023, 02:22 PM
Its almost time for some ice camping.


Yes it is! Been working away on the X200. Got some good upgrades done this year. Lots of pics here in the ice shack section

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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: Finnt on Dec 02, 2023, 03:22 PM
Who's lived in their shanty for a weekend?  What did you do right?  What could you have done better?   How cold was it?

Im going to stay on the ice all weekend.  Bringing a cot and cold weather bag.  Just curious whos done it and how it went!

Thanks guys.
I have done it lots of times in a insulated hub used a wood stove and bunk style cots and foam mats in halve of floor we used charcoal in the stove at night . The wood stove don't make all that condensation like propane. We cooked on a Coleman grill / stove that was propane. The wood stove is the way to go.
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: POk3s on Dec 02, 2023, 04:12 PM
This was my second attempt at camping on the ice. My first attempt my drunk buddy barged in yelling about how I was going to die from my heater, so I went to the truck. His head wasn’t in the right place, but at least his heart was. Learned some things and caught some fish!

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Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: jethro on Dec 04, 2023, 08:27 AM
Its almost time for some ice camping.

Ok! Lets do it this year for sure. We need to plan a weekend!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: bassin212 on Dec 04, 2023, 12:43 PM
Hoping to get a camping trip in before the new year!
Title: Re: Camping on the ice.
Post by: lowaccord66 on Dec 04, 2023, 05:09 PM
Ok! Lets do it this year for sure. We need to plan a weekend!

Im game.  Lets make it happen.  I like to do it on far northern champlain.