2 years ago during the winni derby here in NH i couldn't get my bait down the hole. it was dark at first so i couldn't see my spool so i just thought my flag was broken, every time i set it up the flag would go right up, well i heard the spool flying and it kept going on, i'd land a fish, put a new shiner on and bang, fish would grab it right away, these were 2-4 pounders too so it was a lot of fun until i couldn't feel my fingers anymore, then it was a pain, but the second the sun came up and showed on the holes, the action slowed, but right above the weeds is the place to be, good luck