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New York => Ice Fishing New York => Topic started by: Rbuck on Feb 16, 2014, 03:38 PM
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Well the tourney is this coming weekend in sodus bay and it say in rules you turn your disclaimer in by noon but it don't say wear or were the weight in is this should be post at all tackle shop and area business to get local in it so were is everything going to held at
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no
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It's all listed on website but sure more information will be posted on here this week
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The slush is pretty bad out there. I hope everyone doesn't overdue it. The signup usually is at sodus point fire dept. Im sure tim and jeff will post more info
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Appleman you say slush is bad how bad will we be able to get around with atv thanks
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Let's keep this thread going. I also have a few concerns about the contest and the conditions and I read through the rules a few times. I am not sure if it is 12 panfish/day and a "big fish" or is it 12 panfish total over two days and a big fish?
The conditions are going to be bad. All that snow will turn to slush. I will try to get out Wed -Friday with the sled and give some reports. I know a lot of guys are concerned.
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That would be great.lots of snow on the ice.we want to fish the Derby but I think you are right about the slush going to get bad out there.looking forward to your post.thanks
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I will do my best. I thought you guys were in it. Good to finally meet you.
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Me and perryt will be there.just worried about the slush.might need hipboots
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Ny sporty and I will be there slush or not!
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I had a lovely afternoon 3 yrs ago digging out an Atv with all four wheels chained in conditions not as bad as this. And I do mean the entire afternoon.
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Ny sporty and I will be there slush or not!
Can't wait! I went through some serious slush this weekend on Otisco.
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The taller 4 wheelers were gettin through but workin at it. Theres probably 6inches of slush. Hopefully the warmer weather will melt some of the snow down. We were on snowmobiles and they were working hard pulling the shanty
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To anyone who fished last year: exactly where on sodus pt. is the departure spot? Thanks
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Question about the Open division, me and a friend were thinking of entering but can we fish in the same shanty together? I have fished other tourneys that don't allow this... sorry if this is a stupid question. ???
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Team dances with fish will be there. Gonna bring the side by side. We fished the chautauqua event which is in our back yard. We have never fished sodus. There just pike and perch hopefully we can catch a pike. From everyone I have talked to it seems.
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Hey guys, sorry for the late response - been BUSY!! Ok, tourney headquarters will be located at the Sodus Pt Firehall where check-in/registration will be located. For the Pro-Am team event, we are planning on two shot gun starts (one at the north end by the park and one at the south end by Bay Bridge Sportshop) where we will also have the weigh-in stations.
You can fish together in the Open Division, just have to be 30 feet from anglers not in your group.
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The Sodus pt. FD. Take rt 14 north to the 4 way stop take a right onto bay street down towards the bars and restaurants. The fire hall is on the right in the first block. Can't miss it.
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Let's keep this thread going. I also have a few concerns about the contest and the conditions and I read through the rules a few times. I am not sure if it is 12 panfish/day and a "big fish" or is it 12 panfish total over two days and a big fish?
For the Pro-Am Team event, you will be trying to catch the following each day:
-Largest Pike (worth 10 pts plus 1 pt per pound)
-Largest walleye (worth 10 pts plus pt per pound)
-Largest 12 panfish (perch, sunfish, bluegill, crappie, rock bass)(worth 1 pt each plus one pt per pound)
The Open Division will be looking for the biggest Pike, Walleye, Perch, and Panfish - top 5 of each place in the tourney (20 prize packages up for grabs).
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Can you regetiser the Friday at the firehouse and in the open so your saying two people can fish together but got to be away fri another angler by 30 feet and is it close commucition or open commucition
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Yes, you can register Friday (12-9pm) or Sat morning (3-7am) for the Open Division. If going into the Pro-Am Team event you must register by Friday at 7pm and attend the mandatory captains meeting that starts at 7pm (or make other arrangements with me for some rare exceptions). The event is open communication as there is no way for us to monitor that. And yes, 30 ft is the rule between anglers not fishing together.
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Hey guys, sorry for the late response - been BUSY!! Ok, tourney headquarters will be located at the Sodus Pt Firehall where check-in/registration will be located. For the Pro-Am team event, we are planning on two shot gun starts (one at the north end by the park and one at the south end by Bay Bridge Sportshop) where we will also have the weigh-in stations.
You can fish together in the Open Division, just have to be 30 feet from anglers not in your group.
Tim got a question about shotgun start for the islands ?
I may want to fish my normal spots between the islands , does everyone have to enter the ice for the open division ONLY ay the two spots ( the point and bay bridge ) ?That would mean I would have to enter at the point and drive or walk over ?
Also I pre reg on line for open but will not get there till 5am sat morn at the firehall to sign up, is that alright for the open div ?
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Tim got a question about shotgun start for the islands ?
I may want to fish my normal spots between the islands , does everyone have to enter the ice for the open division ONLY ay the two spots ( the point and bay bridge ) ?That would mean I would have to enter at the point and drive or walk over ?
Also I pre reg on line for open but will not get there till 5am sat morn at the firehall to sign up, is that alright for the open div ?
Open anglers can enter the ice at any location, however you have to keep in mind that all fish need to be brought to the weigh-in stations via the ice (you can't hop in your car and run them over). We'll likely have the northern weigh-in station off of Maiden Lane like last year, even though the shotgun start will likely be off the park.
Checking in any time Sat morning before 7am is ok for Open anglers.
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Open anglers can enter the ice at any location, however you have to keep in mind that all fish need to be brought to the weigh-in stations via the ice (you can't hop in your car and run them over). We'll likely have the northern weigh-in station off of Maiden Lane like last year, even though the shotgun start will likely be off the park.
Checking in any time Sat morning before 7am is ok for Open anglers.
Is their a check in at bay bridge or only at fire hall ?
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Only at the firehall. Unfortunately we don't have enough personnel to run two check-ins - that would be ideal though!
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Only at the firehall. Unfortunately we don't have enough personnel to run two check-ins - that would be ideal though!
Ok thanks !
Hope there is ample parking at both locations for lots of trucks and trailers , or the sodus /huron police are gonna have a field day on tickets :(
Anyway , lets pray for safe coditions !
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Ok here a question can you still reg on fri at the firehouse or not plus is it close comm or open comm and can we be on the ice for the shot gun start or not
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Ok here a question can you still reg on fri at the firehouse or not plus is it close comm or open comm and can we be on the ice for the shot gun start or not
Sounds like a few questions:
1) Registration is open Friday (12-9pm) and Saturday (3-7am), and Sunday (3am-7am) for those only fishing Sunday.
2) We have no way of regulating a closed comm ice event, so it is open comm.
3) Only the Pro-Am teams are allowed on the ice for the shotgun start. All Open anglers cannot enter onto the ice until 6am.
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Checking out ice today and will report later but don't rely on the report too much. Conditions will change dramatically after the rain Friday.
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I will also be setting up the weigh-in stations today and will report back what it is like at each location. Hopefully we won't see the 50 mph winds when the front blows through, although we'll have the hubs ready for it if it does!! @)
Checking out ice today and will report later but don't rely on the report too much. Conditions will change dramatically after the rain Friday.
Good luck!! Hopefully the system coming through will turn the bite on!!
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Tourney information for the Sodus Event along with lodging, food, etc. can be found at:
http://www.nysiceproam.com/SodusBay.html
Day 1 and Day 2 results will be posted here each night.
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Looks like the slush locked up somewhat last night (only 3-4" at the south end near Bay Bridge with the top 2"+ solid). Will know about the north end this afternoon when I set up that weigh-in station.
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thanks for the reports guys ..................keep ing fingers crossed it firms up after all the rain coming so the tourney is a success ;D
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So if the shotgun start is at the park, we may need to weigh in at maiden, then drag back to the trucks at the park? Oooof
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Just trying to clear this up after looking at the rules. Perch dont count as a species for the 12 largest panfish?
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They told me that perch is part of the 12 (panfish). I had the same question when I saw 2 different sets of rules on the tourney site.
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So if the shotgun start is at the park, we may need to weigh in at maiden, then drag back to the trucks at the park? Oooof
Due to the snow melt and the small drop-off to the ice at the park, sleds will have some serious trouble there, so we are looking at having the northern shotgun off Maiden Lane. The only issue there will be offloading. We'll see how both locations look tomorrow afternoon and discuss at the captains meeting.
Just trying to clear this up after looking at the rules. Perch dont count as a species for the 12 largest panfish?
Yes they are part of the 12 panfish count. Again, in the Team event you are looking for the following each day:
-largest Pike
-largest Walleye
-largest 12 panfish (perch, sunfish, bluegill, crappie, rock bass)
In the Open division there is a separate category for perch and for panfish (crappie, sunfish, bluegill, rock bass).
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Yeah baby, it's getting close now!!!!
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Sorry for the large picture but photobucket is getting stupid lately. I took this picture at 2:00 just about in the middle of the bay. It will be impossible to enter the bay at the south end at the Bay Bridge bait shop with a sled or atv. The only slope is at the launch itself and that was sloppy in the morning. Beyond any shadow of a doubt, the only place that I found that an Atv of sled could enter was at third creek. If Maiden lane is a no go, third creek might be the only option.
There is about 8" of snow/white ice on top of about 8-10" of black ice. The rain will get rid of a lot of that top layer by Sat. I would recommend ice scratchers on a sled if that snow disappears. Some areas I found did not have any snow on them.. I ran my sled from the north end of Newark to Grassy Point in the south and conditions were about the same all the way. It will be sloppy, but we should be able to make it.
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Good luck everyone! Hopefully some hog perch are caught along with some toothy critters! wish I could make it....maybe next year.
Team Make Em Jump
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So what recommendation have a 800 outlander 4x4 or bring sled was hoping to use atv much easier to load all our crap on thanks guys
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I think we're going to have bare ice come the weekend. We easily got 1-2" of rain tonight with the warm front going through and with warm temps tomorrow plus more rain when the cold front goes by, any slush on top should be history. I will be taking a look-see tomorrow mid-day at both weigh-in locations for both ice thickness/slushiness and ability to get on the ice with motorized transport.
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would be nice but hey cant have everything.cant wait for report.thanks
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Cant wait! We are heading up in a while. One question, with all this warm weather is the beer up there still cold? ;D
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hows the ice looking?
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Quite a bit of slush in spots. Going to be messy tomorrow, but hopefully will lock up for Sunday. Great turn-out so far heading towards 200 anglers at this point...
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Will wheelers make it Saturday thanks good luck
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It will be sporty, but wheelers are getting around.
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Can't wait to get out and get some of those famous Sodus Bay walleye. They are brutes! ;D
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reeeaaaalllyyy???
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Yeah for sure. Here's my biggest from there. Should have mounted it!
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Just gotta know where to get em'
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Most anglers do not target walleye on Sodus during ice season, but they are there. @)
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Best of luck to all of you out there in the tournament!
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Well cheif certainly isn't "most" he's a little special! :P
Good luck out there Youngin!
You should have couple perch iced by now
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Slow slow slow >:( :'( ;D
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SON OF A B SPORTY!
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Sporty what was on the first flag??? The first picture had no snow on the ice around the hole, picture with the pike had snow at the hole. Great job landing that brute, don't forget to celebrate the catch ;D ;D ;D!!!
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First flag was just for show.
There is no snow on ice now!
This wind BLOWS!
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Nice fish sporty weight length
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10.3 32.2"
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Any way to find out the results of day one?
My second fish was 31" 7#
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I know im sick of holding the camera! ;D
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Cool pics!
But still gotta cheer for cheif hoping he pulled something out of his ..............
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Results from Day 1 will be posted later this evening on the Sodus Bay event website. What a first day!! Stay tuned!! :thumbsup: :flex:
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Is the Sodus Bay event website the same as the Pro-Am site? I can't find a Sodus Bay event website and I don't see it on the Pro-Am site yet. Hoping to see the standings before tomorrow. Thanks
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Results for the Sodus IPA Event can be found here:
http://www.nysiceproam.com/2014SBResults.html
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Wow... Just checked out the sodas day 1 results. Looks like a fantastic day for most. A 15 lb pike? Congrats to those who caught some if those good fish I saw on the leaderboards. Looks like gaff linkage is sitting well for the triple crown... Or will team brother dads have something to say about that? Good luck tomorrow everyone
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Ya a 15 ld pike was brought to the south area weigh station , but they had to disqualifie the guy cause he brought it by way of land.
Bummer, you are suppose to bring all fish to station on ice.
That was to control cheatin
I was out by grassy point and that's what the judges at the south end said.
So I think that a 10 pounder is leading right now
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We're trying blackmer !! We put up an 11.60 pike , 11.58 , and the 10 yesterday ...
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The fishing has been the best at this location so far hopefully we place in to 5. Congrats brother dad's with nice pike on Saturday
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We're trying blackmer !! We put up an 11.60 pike , 11.58 , and the 10 yesterday ...
Wow sounds like you guys hit em hard then. Good luck today. Might just have to do sodus next yr... I thought it was mainly perch tournament.
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Bringing all fish in by ice during an "open event" is a dumb rule. Sodus is a huge place and 90% of the time, long travel is next to impossible without a machine and even next to impossible with a machine. This is a low money payout not some huge payout tourney. I can see the rule for the "pro" but leave the open truly open!
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I agree but I also walked my fish in to the north side weigh in from first creek access because it was the rule!
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I disagree with you Gambell, because this is not a low stakes normal tournament. I mean the cash payouts may be low because of the lack of anglers, but if you look at the prize packages in the open division, you are talking packages worth 300-700dollars or so. People could easily cheat if they could transport fish by other means than just the lake itself. People could easily get a fish from other waterways and weigh it in to win these great prizes.
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I took 3rd place pike and Chief was there to cheer me on! It was good to meet you I'm sure we will rip some lips together soon....
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Nice job by the officials giving the triple crown win to the second place team. How can you mess up simple math like that? Would anyone have caught it if the real winning team didn't speak up?
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what happened with the triple crown? who won it?
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Gaff lunkage won. At the awards ceremony they announced brothersdad's as the winners.
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congrats nysporty with the 3rd place open pike win.
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Gaff lunkage won. At the awards ceremony they announced brothersdad's as the winners.
oh...gotcha. Congrats Gaff Lunkage. Does anyone know if Gaff Lunkage is here on IS?
anyone know the pro-am top 5?
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awesome picture. congates also @)
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thats a sweet picture. something you would see in the media.
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First off I'd like to thank Tim and crew for another world class tournament. The time , money, and stress that you all put into the series is amazing. If us fishermen and women knew what all goes into a series like this , I'm sure people would cut some slack. Mistakes happen. Thank you all again . world class !!!
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We would like to make a formal apology to both Team Brotherdads and Team Gaff Lunkage for a simple mathematical error that resulted in initially presenting the Triple Crown to the wrong team. With an event of this magnitude coupled with lack of sleep all weekend, mistakes can happen. We will work to create a new program that will prevent these from occurring in the future. We congratulate Team Gaff Lunkage on a well deserved win as well as Team Brotherdads for a very respectable 2nd place finish!
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Full tourney results and pictures will be posted tomorrow on the tournament website and through the rest of this week!
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Didn't even fish the event but want to say thanks again to Tim and crew. Two huge events back to back like this must really put a great amount of stress on them all. This series is great and hope to see more people involved next year.
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Congratulations to all the winners at this past weekend's event at Sodus! It was a rollercoaster of emotions for sure, but as with anything in its early stages, we will improve the weaknesses to make our events stronger. Thank you to all those who attended to make this our most successful event yet and we look forward to seeing you all at next year's event!
Also thank you for all the support, and in believing in our series of events!! @)
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I disagree with you Gambell, because this is not a low stakes normal tournament. I mean the cash payouts may be low because of the lack of anglers, but if you look at the prize packages in the open division, you are talking packages worth 300-700dollars or so. People could easily cheat if they could transport fish by other means than just the lake itself. People could easily get a fish from other waterways and weigh it in to win these great prizes.
No its a dumb rule I could park mid bay and bring a fish In and still cheat
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Was a great time we caught fish both days didn't place but still fun.
The rule about fish being brought to weight station was in team pro am rules but not open. Bad spot the tournament directors to have to decide. the rule is necessary to the lunker to keep fair for all entries. I would figure that rule and few others will be changed for wording. Like getting 10 bonus point for FISHING all 3 events as rules say. But allowing one team just to pay fee's to enter but never fished or attended mandatory meeting as rules stated .
Hats of to Tim he did a great job and all his crew with few errors we are human and things happen.
Congrats to gaff lunkage on the triple crown and Brother dad's 2nd
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No its a dumb rule I could park mid bay and bring a fish In and still cheat
And other anglers would see you do it and bring it to our attention (like we've seen and heard in other tournies). But in the event that an angler got away with it, it would only happen once, for they would then have to fish the Pro-Am team division in all of our future events. It really doesn't matter what rules are set in place, if someone really wants to take a chance at cheating any tournament's rule set, they will find a way. We are just trying to keep the integrity of our tourney by deterring those individuals and enforcing the rule set we have in place. Granted we had a couple weaknesses in this year's rule set, those will be adjusted and improved for next year's events.
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Interesting tourney, learned a lot and had a good time. Good meeting you NYsporty, Chief and I might be making a spring road trip your way. As a matter of fact, it was good meeting all of you out there. Nice to put faces to the names I see hear on Shanty.
Sorry Tim, I still don't get the 5:00 am start. I would think that a 6:00 would get the same result with a 6:30 open start.
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I met Tim and his teammate for the first time at the Bayside Ice fishing Derby. They were competing and also promoting the Pro-Am. I fish Bass tournaments with a friend of his and he tells me he is a stand up guy. It takes a lot off effort to do what he does and rules have to be in place so everyone is on the same page. Some of the tournaments I fish check livewells, have spotters and even lie detector test in an attempt to stop the cheaters, however no matter what you do you can never stop it if that is what someone wants to do. I have read the rules and regulations for the Pro-Am and I think for an ice fishing tournament they are pretty good. If anyone has a problem get involved I think Tim will welcome it and you just might realize how complicated it is to get these events going. Congrats to Tim and his crew for bringing forth something that gives a lot of joy to the many that participate. Jim
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Sorry Tim, I still don't get the 5:00 am start. I would think that a 6:00 would get the same result with a 6:30 open start.
With walleye waters, many anglers want to be able to get in place before sun-up as walleye often bite best right at dawn. On Sat this weekend, our first pike was weighed in just after 7am, which likely wouldn't have happened with a later start as our anglers would have still been setting gear. There must be a minimum time delay of an hour between start times to allow for any delay of the shotgun start (i.e. if we had say 40 teams that needed to get out of Maiden Lane this past weekend, we may have needed some extra time and would have delayed the shotgun starts accordingly). If that happens and we only leave 30 minutes before the Open Division release, we could run into issues with Open anglers. An hour separation avoids any initial conflicts between the two divisions. Plus a later start would shorten an already shortened day on Sunday. Sunday's cut-off at Noon was in direct response to angler feedback from last year's events and favored by most (including us, as it takes us a minimum of 4 hours to pack-up after an event).
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The start time is good we were able to have our lines all set up before sun up and end time on Sunday is good so we are able to be home with family Sunday evening.
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Where does all the cash go from entry fees? I see very little cash being paid out. Lots of nice prizes but we all have icefishing equipment......
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Yup, we finished 5th in the pro and got NO money, couple wooden tip ups, a bag and some jerkey. **censored**? $4000 of entries in the pro and only the top 3 getting a total of a few hundred? Something fishy eh? Oh yeah, and you got a 1099 for the product you won. All that product is donated. Where's the $!!!! Not happy. I've never seen payouts like this before and I fish tourneys year round.
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What cash did top 3 pro teams get and top 5 in open class any one know. It cost lots of cash to run a large tournament of this size with advertising, banners, insurance, all the paperwork. Not to mention fuel and housing for the help.
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What cash did top 3 pro teams get and top 5 in open class any one know. It cost lots of cash to run a large tournament of this size with advertising, banners, insurance, all the paperwork. Not to mention fuel and housing for the help.
Open was 100 for first and 75 for second.
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The webpage http://www.nysiceproam.com/SBPrizeProjection2014a.html shows first place for each open division category ranging from $430 to $530 and $2000 for first in Pro-Am. I didn't stay for the awards because I lost my door prize raffle ticket (which made me a little more then upset) so I didn't see the prize payouts live. I thought it was a bit strange for the panfish category to be worth more then any other but seemed like great payouts to me. Was it really only $100 for first place in each division?
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The webpage http://www.nysiceproam.com/SBPrizeProjection2014a.html shows first place for each open division category ranging from $430 to $530 and $2000 for first in Pro-Am. I didn't stay for the awards because I lost my door prize raffle ticket (which made me a little more then upset) so I didn't see the prize payouts live. I thought it was a bit strange for the panfish category to be worth more then any other but seemed like great payouts to me. Was it really only $100 for first place in each division?
That is the value of the prize package not cash payout. You can sell the product but you will not get that much cash for it AND you have to pay taxes on the value of the product.
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The webpage http://www.nysiceproam.com/SBPrizeProjection2014a.html shows first place for each open division category ranging from $430 to $530 and $2000 for first in Pro-Am. I didn't stay for the awards because I lost my door prize raffle ticket (which made me a little more then upset) so I didn't see the prize payouts live. I thought it was a bit strange for the panfish category to be worth more then any other but seemed like great payouts to me. Was it really only $100 for first place in each division?
Would also like to see who won and the fish totals???
hinkydo
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Yup, we finished 5th in the pro and got NO money, couple wooden tip ups, a bag and some jerkey. **censored**? $4000 of entries in the pro and only the top 3 getting a total of a few hundred? Something fishy eh? Oh yeah, and you got a 1099 for the product you won. All that product is donated. Where's the $!!!! Not happy. I've never seen payouts like this before and I fish tourneys year round.
We got the same ridicule last year when we took a $40,000 loss to run two of these events, but let's put that off to the side for now since that loss was not figured in to this year's events. Without going into all the details, these events on average cost us $5,000 each this year to put on (since our investment last year gave us the equipment necessary). That cost has to be covered before any monies start going into the packages. To do that, we need approximately 150 anglers in the tournament (varies slightly depending on the divisions they enter). Also consider that we have to pay $5 insurance for every angler at each event, so an Open entry really only brings in $25, and a Pro-Am team only $150. Once we get above 150 anglers the money can start going into the prize packages and the values grow exponentially. So we had 172 anglers this past weekend, 22 times $25 (if all the anglers were Opens) is $550, 11 times $150 (if they were all Pro-Am teams) is $1650. Obviosly the actual value is between those two numbers and we have a complex program that is based on the number of both Open anglers and Pro-Am teams that calculates (based on percentages) how much of the tournament costs are consumed within the Open prize structure and how much is consumed within the Pro-Am Team prize structure and let's us know exactly what we can pay out ($1125 for this tournament). We could have broken the checks down smaller and paid all five places, but due to angler feedback from last year the majority would like to see fewer places paid with larger checks.
All the product is sponsored, yes, but considered income to me and tracked by the IRS (every item). I am not willing to cover the $29,800 in product for this event in my taxes, so we pass off the larger prize packages, door prizes, etc. to those who take them. @) Anything less than $250 in value does not need a 1099. And those who had prizes in the $250-$599 range who were issued a 1099 will not receive a W9 from us next year as your total winnings from our series did not add up to the $600 minimum as set by the IRS and those anglers will not need to claim it next year. We have to get the 1099's for our tracking of the prizes.
Again, I would like to emphasize, running an event of this magnitude is extremly difficult, time consuming, and involved. We're not out to rip anyone off, or anything of that nature. If we were running these out of a trailer, had 50+ volunteers, and only one or two sponsors, the cash payout might be a bit higher, but you sure wouldn't see the piles of gear we gave out either. We fished a tourney this year that had over 300 anglers entered - 1st place paid $380, 2nd was $260, and third was $150 (and there were only 2 categories!). If we had 300 anglers we would have paid $340 to ALL 4 1st places, $200 to ALL 4 2nd places, and $140 to ALL 4 3rd places (assuming we kept it to only 1st through 3rd), PLUS $650 to the 1st place Pro-Am team, $400 to the 2nd place team, and $275 to the 3rd place team (again if we kept it to 3 checks). Looking better?? It boils down to number of anglers. More anglers = larger payouts.
If you want more detail, I'd be more than happy to sit down with anyone and go over the break-down over a cup of Joe. @)
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Amen. ;D
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I understand you want to recoup that money, but with any business it takes time. What would my painting employees say if I didn't pay them till all my equipment is paid for? You need to spread it out. Now everyone in these tourneys are taking a hit till u recoup all your $? That's not how to grow. Looking at this tournament alone, you took in about $9100. Paid out $1200 after your ins. And expenses. Roughly $1200 for the ins. That leaves about $6700. Nobody will deny you eventually recouping your money, but this isn't right. The money and time guys just like my partner and I put in to get ready for this event was almost a waste. And what about the teams that went to every event? Triple crown winner got $100 I think?
Also, we got shorted our stowaways and rod/reel combos.
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It is plain and simple. If guys win very little money, it will not survive. Product is nice but $ talks.
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I agree that money would be nice. Me and my partner took 2nd place in the Pro am at Tupper and didn't receive a dollar, but we still will fish these events in hope that numbers will grow where money will be in the prize packs.
You gotta think about the other tournaments you guys fish....there are not 200 anglers....there are 500+ therefore people can walkaway with $400 for 1st and down from there. If the anglers will come fish these events, then payouts would happen like people want. You wouldn't see any regular derby payout 1st, 2nd, 3rd, for 8 hours of the day with only 200 anglers in the event.
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I agree that money would be nice. Me and my partner took 2nd place in the Pro am at Tupper and didn't receive a dollar, but we still will fish these events in hope that numbers will grow where money will be in the prize packs.
You gotta think about the other tournaments you guys fish....there are not 200 anglers....there are 500+ therefore people can walkaway with $400 for 1st and down from there. If the anglers will come fish these events, then payouts would happen like people want. You wouldn't see any regular derby payout 1st, 2nd, 3rd, for 8 hours of the day with only 200 anglers in the event.
What tournaments have 500 people in them? I fished two local bar tournaments that had less people (160), smaller entry fees ($10.00) and payed out $400 for 1st, $240 for 2nd and $160 for third in 2 Divisions (pike and perch).
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Don't get me wrong and my partner would agree, we had a great time getting ready for the tournament, fishing the tournament and hanging out with some fellow shanty members afterwards. Also, other than a couple hic ups it was ran smoothly and we couldnt wait for next year again. It just put a huge damper on the whole thing when you finished in the "money" and didn't take home a dime. You should at least get your $160 back. Heck, I still haven't told the wife I received no cash for finishing in the "money"! I'm scared as hell! Lol
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What tournaments have 500 people in them? I fished two local bar tournaments that had less people (160), smaller entry fees ($10.00) and payed out $400 for 1st, $240 for 2nd and $160 for third in 2 Divisions (pike and perch).
Yes, a tournament with little to no expenses. I fished it too. ;) Do you think we fished it for the small door prizes they handed out or even the cash prizes? Nope. It's the fun of the event meeting other anglers, the competition, seeing others win, the atmosphere, etc. We also have fished events where the top prize was a tip-up!! Who cares about the prizes, it's about the love of ice fishing for me. But that's just me...
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I also fish for the love of fishing. Whether it's hard water or soft water.
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Oh yes, "for the love of fishing" card. How did I know that was coming. All of us don't get paid to fish like you "professionals" do right? Isn't that the definition of "professional? That's ok, you can take that $6000+ in money from this weekend and wrap your whole house with the finders keepers "professional" fishing team logo.
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Oh yes, "for the love of fishing" card. How did I know that was coming. All of us don't get paid to fish like you "professionals" do right? Isn't that the definition of "professional? That's ok, you can take that $6000+ in money from this weekend and wrap your whole house with the finders keepers "professional" fishing team logo.
Hahahahaha :roflmao: I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't put up money to fish tournaments for the love of fishing. It's to compete, be better that day than everyone else, AND win as much as I possibly can. Every other day besides tournament day are done for the love of fishing. I don't buy that.
Glad I went to Oneida!
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I put up $1,000s to fish tourneys every Spring-Fall. I have no issues doing so. Tourney fishing is in my blood! However, until there are observers in ice events I wont participate. I know there were people who where out on Sodus this weekend not in the event helping teams out that were in it. Until there is something like an observer involved to help the integrity of the tourney I cant see putting up my money.
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This was my first "Tournament" not knowing much about other tourney's I have to say that Tim and the others did a great job. I was amazed at the prize giveaways between the door and winners packages. The friendliness of everyone. And not for the least, the sportsmanship Especially team Brothers Dad.. I will definitely be back next year and years to come. Keep up the great job!
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Wow u guys are f****** brutal!! It's really sad to see people whinin about a couple dollars!! Tourneys like this event dont happen without months of preparation and a bunch of dedicated people who are passionate about the sport.. Holy crap if u were out there to win it god bless but really?? Go to work make da money go ice fishing and enjoy!! ::)
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I will speak on the behalf of #Team brotherdads as I am the captain. Me and brother had an amazing time this weekend as well as all of the pro-ams that we did this year and last. We were actually the first team ever to register and support Tim and his brother in the pro-am tourney. Tim and Jeff are by far some of the most decent people I have ever met and am glad to call them my friends. We teambrotherdads fish these tourneys for the sport and to win! We completely understand these tourneys take time to grow and they will. Judging by the turnout this past weekend and tupper the word is getting out. The pro am tourneys puts out huge prize packages and eventually money. The format of the tourneys are second to none. We had an absolute blast as well as put some huge fish on the board! Also was great meeting and chatting with all of you we fished with. Hopefully some people that want bigger payouts will tell there friends to fish it next year to up the pot! We will be eagerly waiting to fish all of the pro-am tourneys next year!!! Thank you again Tim and Jeff for an amazing year of fishing. #teambrotherdads
Jim
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Maybe some people should just stick too bar tournaments.more your Speed and easyer too win.
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Had a Great time can,t wait till next year.got some nice fish and saw some nice fish caught. Great job finders.nice too see large scale events like this in our area.
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What tournaments have 500 people in them? I fished two local bar tournaments that had less people (160), smaller entry fees ($10.00) and payed out $400 for 1st, $240 for 2nd and $160 for third in 2 Divisions (pike and perch).
Walleye Challenge had 1750 anglers!! and as of yesterday the weekend Fuel and Food contest was over 500!!! there are contest out there that get quit a few people to them
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Northern Challenge had over 850... These tournies have been around quite some time compared to ours. We got the ball rolling last year, we just need a little time to pick up the momentum! @)
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Just the fact that Finders Keepers is standing up to all the judgement impresses me.... I'll be in next year with several other teams as well.... It's so easy to be negative and drop bombs on websites.... Keep chugging Tim!
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I for one was disappointed they didn't bring this to oneida. With as many huge turnouts as the lake has from guys even from out of state seemed like an easy answer.
Not bashing in anyway just saying if was here I'd hazard a guess there would a been good turnout.
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I think they originally were gonna do Oneida, might still be in the plans in the future....
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ONEIDA ONEIDA ONEIDA
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Now that would be easy 500 guys I bet over 1,000 would enter. A Late season tournament with a year like this could be a lot of fun.
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Love the idea of this tournament and see great potential. You are right the amount of people who enter make up the prizes when it comes to money. For instance the nys almost annual crappie derby. In 1974 it started with 197 ppl and a purse of $150 bucks. This year the purse was over 14,000 with over 3 THOUSAND participants some traveling as far as'alaska to fish oh and the entry fee is only $2. They do it defferent and its largest crappie every 15 min gets a prize. With the multiple species fished as well as the different devisions in the pro am tournament its on another level. At the same time if we stick to it, and keep moving forward this tournament can be huge.....who knows one day broadcasted on ESPN......things take time, and the biggest and best form of advertisment is word of mouth because well not only is it free but its up to us the fisherman to keep this alive. Let's get the word out and make this tournament something people will come from not only other states but other countries to compete.
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Tim.... Ever thought about observers to the pro division? I have no issues paying someone $75 or $100 to go sit and watch someone to uphold the integrity.
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Keep up the good work tim, for very few participants with such large total possible winnings I can't wait to see what this tournament brings in another ten-twenty years. This is a new tournament and every year something can be learned and adjusted to make the next that much better. If there is anything I can do to help future tournments do not hesitate to let me know.
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Tim.... Ever thought about observers to the pro division? I have no issues paying someone $75 or $100 to go sit and watch someone to uphold the integrity.
Hey Rick - In fact, we pondered this very hard when we were designing this series in the beginning. The main issues with requiring an observer is:
1) Transportation on the ice - how can a team and an observer all go out together?
2) Every team would have to be able to provide some sort of shelter for their observer, as conditions can be brutal at times out there!
I would be more than willing to discuss thoughts/concepts, but we just don't see how using observers would be possible in an ice fishing tourney and still allow the teams to fish anywhere on a waterway. The only way I can see it happening is to limit the teams to a certain area and have observers positioned throughout the field. In my opinion that is too limiting. Thoughts??
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I agree that money would be nice. Me and my partner took 2nd place in the Pro am at Tupper and didn't receive a dollar, but we still will fish these events in hope that numbers will grow where money will be in the prize packs.
You gotta think about the other tournaments you guys fish....there are not 200 anglers....there are 500+ therefore people can walkaway with $400 for 1st and down from there. If the anglers will come fish these events, then payouts would happen like people want. You wouldn't see any regular derby payout 1st, 2nd, 3rd, for 8 hours of the day with only 200 anglers in the event.
Not true .... I won the conesus lake derby in 2010 with a 16 pd pike ! 1 st place paid $500.
2nd place I think 300 3rd 250 4 and 5th were pay outs
the same $500 for first in perch and same 2nd 3rd 4th 5th
Avon anglers put it on !
Their was only 170 people entered at $20 ea Only 170 Total in $3400 they prob paid out 2400.
Givin it back to the people and takin a small cut, that's the way to go
Not dazzle with equipment........LOL LOL @)
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Maybe some people should just stick too bar tournaments.more your Speed and easyer too win.
;DRight on ! and more money goes to the anglers .....NICE
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Givin it back to the people and takin a small cut, that's the way to go
Not dazzle with equipment........LOL LOL @)
We are very lucky to have all the sponsor support we do, and they all see the potential this series has otherwise they would not be shipping the product to us like they have.
Again, to each his own. I haven't fished that tourney so I don't know their structure, but I would be willing to bet they have many volunteers and very few expenses. Did you get a trophy? Probably not, but again I wasn't there...
If you want a huge cash payout, give us a couple years and we'll have it for you. @)
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The full list of results are now posted: http://www.nysiceproam.com/2014SBResults.html
Any other tournies have their results posted next day? @)
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Maybe some people should just stick too bar tournaments.more your Speed and easyer too win.
the bar derbies are much more casual.you can actually catch the fish anywhere and go weigh them in. theres lots of room for cheatin but thats the way it is. it's a small investment.we like to fish for the fun and competion.you can have both.i think the organizers of this tourney put in a lot of time and effort to try and give the fishermen what they want.we don't fish them because we're not that serious about it but would have a good time if we were. it sounds like a good event.anyways we did fish those 2 bar derbies because they're more are speed and easy to win. ;D. and actually got 1st and 3rd place [perch division].......in both of them..Ka-ching..thank you very much. :)...so how did you make out in the big event?
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heres a thought on observers, how about assigning people to areas? depending on the size of the lake the more or less you need. 1 person per 1/2 acre and keep rolling around checking on everyone
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Open anglers can enter the ice at any location, however you have to keep in mind that all fish need to be brought to the weigh-in stations via the ice (you can't hop in your car and run them over). We'll likely have the northern weigh-in station off of Maiden Lane like last year, even though the shotgun start will likely be off the park.
Checking in any time Sat morning before 7am is ok for Open anglers.
here's what was told to me on February 19 th 2014
Try to keep the same rules that's all we ask
You wrote this and have to live with it
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I would like to start by congratulating team gaff lunkage, you guys caught some awesome fish in these tournaments .. team brotherdads really put there hearts into winning this thing …hats off to them
all the other teams that fished these tournaments great to see you again… team eat me had a great time fishing these events ..we had some ups & downs 1 man short at chautauqua cut lines & loss fish, bad conditions tupper lake & the same at sodus ..I & we fish these tournaments for the fun of them & the competition..it's a great time & experience you will remember a long time …you won't get rich trying to win ice fishing tournaments…these tournaments will continue to grow & they will get some better #s, they will get some better great pay outs …I fished last years events & all ready see the subtle changes & the excitement that's building as they continue to grow ..Tim & his crew do their best to put out the best tournament they can, the countless hours of preparations that go into a tournament can be overwhelming & exhausting..I will be looking forward to fishing next years events … thanks Captain TEAM EAT ME
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So was the 15 pounder alllowed then?
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Don't get me wrong and my partner would agree, we had a great time getting ready for the tournament, fishing the tournament and hanging out with some fellow shanty members afterwards. Also, other than a couple hic ups it was ran smoothly and we couldnt wait for next year again. It just put a huge damper on the whole thing when you finished in the "money" and didn't take home a dime. You should at least get your $160 back. Heck, I still haven't told the wife I received no cash for finishing in the "money"! I'm scared as hell! Lol
Haha that's great.
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Is gaff lunkage here on IS?
Tim keep the event going and busting your ass because there are more people in favor then not. Maybe those not happy with the lack of payouts will get their buddies to come next year and boost the entries to get a payout for the top 5.
Just checked the sodus results..... Congrats to the winners. Looks like there were some great fish caught. Can't wait to see the tupper lake and sodus pics!
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So was the 15 pounder alllowed then?
Yes the fish was allowed
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So was the 15 pounder alllowed then?
After an investigation by the tournament committee including picture and video analysis and fish pattern recognition, since the Open Rules that were printed for this event did not include the rule for running all fish in via the ice, the fair ruling was made to allow the fish. This rule is being closely looked at for next year and will likely take into account angler feedback. We have gone back and forth on this one as a committee and might leave it up to the majority vote: to enforce all fish being brought to the weigh-in stations via ice, or open it up. This would only apply to the Open Division, and if opened up, we would make separate lunker pools for each division (pro-am and open). Some food for thought for those fishing our events next year - we will post some surveys once we are ready to start planning next year's events.
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TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAD A GOOD TIME AND SAID IT WAS WORTH IT,,,, MUST OF VOTED FOR OBAMA AND CUOMO ;D KEEP PUTTING IN AND KEEP GETTING :o UCKED.
HAD A TOURNEY OVER THE WEEKEND AND 10 of us 10 PER person=100. we payed out 100. had good sponsers to like my shanty frailbill, graph vexlair, eskimo augar. show me 1 prizes that's better than the stuff the pro am's got ALREADY ? can u answer that. SHOW ME THE MONEY.
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Thank You to everyone for the congratulations comments! ;D We had an amazing time fishing all three events! We truly enjoy fishing proam style tournaments and look forward to seeing the NYS Ice Proam grow in the future. I must admit that the highly anticipated announcement of the Triple Crown winners was quite a surprise at first! We were disappointed in the mistake that was made, but we did some thinking and also realize that the guys doing the math were running on like an hour of sleep all weekend. Maybe we shouldn't beat up on them too badly. The prize packages we won are amazing. We have almost a whole new setup for next year plus Ice Armor suits on the way. Not to mention like 20 new tackle boxes. (ha)
Anyway! Congrats to all the winners, thanks to all of the other anglers, and to Finders Keepers team for all your effort and time invested!
~TEAM GAFF LUNKAGE
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I wish there was a like button for posts like on facebook.......so many comments here I would love to second. Cant wait to do it again.....next time ill get a sled or wheeler, the walk from the boat launch to past bluff island on tupper with all my gear was brutal. haha good thing we didn't catch anything or we would have had to draw straws and see who had to take the trek back.
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Had a great time at all the tournaments Tim does a great job at running the events. I also meet some good people at them looking forward to hitting the ice with all you next year at the events. I would like to congratulate team gaff lunkage for taking 1st in triple crown. Tim keep doing what your doing you run a great tournament you will always have someone b******* about something with any tournament ran just the way of the world.
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TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAD A GOOD TIME AND SAID IT WAS WORTH IT,,,, MUST OF VOTED FOR OBAMA AND CUOMO ;D show me 1 prizes that's better than the stuff the pro am's got ALREADY ? can u answer that.
LOL! Hmmm...Let's see:
Brand new Frabill shelters for EVERY 1st place and several in the door prizes...
Plano Hydroflo and Angled R tackle systems...
Straight line tip-ups just released this year...
261 combos just released this year...
PAIR of Extreme Ice Armour Suits for every 1st place Pro-Am team...
Aqua-Vu Micro Plus underwater camera systems...
Full Automatic Fisherman kits...
Beautiful trophies...
Largest fish mounted free (Tupper and Sodus Events)...
Need I go on?? @)
If you don't want to upgrade your gear to the newest stuff available, or have a second shelter for some friends to use when you go out, maybe this tourney isn't for you right now while we don't have large cash payouts. Give us a year or two and then take a look at what we're giving away. I bet we'll see you there!! ;)
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LOL! Hmmm...Let's see:
Brand new Frabill shelters for EVERY 1st place and several in the door prizes...
Plano Hydroflo and Angled R tackle systems...
Straight line tip-ups just released this year...
261 combos just released this year...
PAIR of Extreme Ice Armour Suits for every 1st place Pro-Am team...
Aqua-Vu Micro Plus underwater camera systems...
Full Automatic Fisherman kits...
Beautiful trophies...
Largest fish mounted free (Tupper and Sodus Events)...
Need I go on?? @)
If you don't want to upgrade your gear to the newest stuff available, or have a second shelter for some friends to use when you go out, maybe this tourney isn't for you right now while we don't have large cash payouts. Give us a year or two and then take a look at what we're giving away. I bet we'll see you there!! ;)
People want $. Getting taxed on equipment that you can not pick out yourself sucks. When you win and the $ you get back does not cover the money you paid to enter, there is something wrong here. I for one do not want to see this fail. It is good for the sport and a great idea. BUT If people get a bad taste, they will not come back or give it a try.
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Honestly, am I the only one that was misled by this? I could care less about the money. I'll give it to the freakin church. It's the principle of the matter.
Being a tournament organizer is a thankless job and my partner and I know all about it as we are one also. If you dont give back to the people, you'll have nothing. I don't care how much stuff you give away. The business model of getting ALL your lost money first THEN taking care of the people later does not work. At this pace you guys will be donating money for more jerkey and sounders for the participants way down the road. Again, I have no problem with recouping expenses for the tournament at hand and putting towards the lost money from other tournies, but you cannot take it all or you will lose people and I know many that have and have not fished that will not be back. It's just the business model guys.
Also, you have to pay cash for this tourny and you still need a ton of 1099's? **censored**. I have never heard of a tourny 1099 donated prizes. Think about it people!
1st Place ($2000+): Trophy/Frabill Fishouflage Outpost Shelter/(2) IceArmor Extreme Suits/(2) Plano 4845 Hydro Flo Systems/(2) Frabill Calibrator Tip-ups/(2) Light Action Automatic Fisherman Kits/(2) Frabill Softbags/Frabill Medium Sled/Frabill Quad Shelter Light/Frabill 8” Curved Fishing Pliers/(2) Large PolyStic Glo Packs/(2) Small PolyStic Glo Packs/(2)Frabill Dropshot Packs/$$ Check.
2nd Place ($570+): Trophy/Frabill 8” Curved Blade Auger/(2) Frabill Straight Line 101XLA Combos/(2) Frabill Enticer 6715 Combos/(2) Frabill Softbags /Plano GS Angled Tackle System/(2) Frabill Straight Line Tip-Ups/Frabill 8” Curved Fishing Pliers/(2) Large PolyStic Glo Packs/(2) Small PolyStic Glo Packs/(2)Frabill Dropshot Packs/$$Check.
3rd Place ($400+): Trophy/Frabill Medium Sled/(2) Frabill Straight Line Tip-Ups/(2) Frabill Ice Hunter Combos/(2) Frabill Softbags/(2) HT Walleye Lure Kits/ Frabill 8” Curved Fishing Pliers/(2) Large PolyStic Glo Packs/(2) Small PolyStic Glo Packs/(2)Frabill Dropshot Packs/$$Check.
4th Place ($250+): Trophy/(2) Frabill Camp Chairs /(2) Frabill Straight Line Tip-Ups/HT Rod Locker/ HT Walleye Lure Kit/(2) Plano 3741 Stowaways/Frabill 8” Curved Fishing Pliers/(2) Large PolyStic Glo Packs/(2) Small PolyStic Glo Packs/(2)Frabill Dropshot Packs/$$Check.
5th Place ($200+): Trophy/(2) Frabill Straight Line Tip-Ups /(2) Frabill Enticer 6718 Combos/HT Rod Locker/(2) Plano 3640 Stowaways/Frabill 8” Curved Fishing Pliers/(2) Large PolyStic Glo Packs/(2) Small PolyStic Glo Packs/(2)Frabill Dropshot Packs/$$Check.
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I do understand what your saying, however everyone has the option not to participate. Most of the bar tournaments for ice fishing pay 90 to100% payback just to get you at the bar. The larger bass tournaments and or clubs which I fish seem to pay 80% like Avon Anglers or the Dash For Cash at The Log Cabins in BLack Lake. Smaller clubs pay out as much as 100%. As stated earlier volunteers make a huge difference. Ice fishing on a large scale may be a little different, but also stated if the paybacks are low it may hurt future attendance. I believe there is a great foundation that has been started for this organization and with a few tweaks every thing will work out just fine. Jim
Honestly, am I the only one that was misled by this? I could care less about the money. I'll give it to the freakin church. It's the principle of the matter.
Being a tournament organizer is a thankless job and my partner and I know all about it as we are one also. If you dont give back to the people, you'll have nothing. I don't care how much stuff you give away. The business model of getting ALL your lost money first THEN taking care of the people later does not work. At this pace you guys will be donating money for more jerkey and sounders for the participants way down the road. Again, I have no problem with recouping expenses for the tournament at hand and putting towards the lost money from other tournies, but you cannot take it all or you will lose people and I know many that have and have not fished that will not be back. It's just the business model guys.
Also, you have to pay cash for this tourny and you still need a ton of 1099's? **censored**. I have never heard of a tourny 1099 donated prizes. Think about it people!
1st Place ($2000+): Trophy/Frabill Fishouflage Outpost Shelter/(2) IceArmor Extreme Suits/(2) Plano 4845 Hydro Flo Systems/(2) Frabill Calibrator Tip-ups/(2) Light Action Automatic Fisherman Kits/(2) Frabill Softbags/Frabill Medium Sled/Frabill Quad Shelter Light/Frabill 8” Curved Fishing Pliers/(2) Large PolyStic Glo Packs/(2) Small PolyStic Glo Packs/(2)Frabill Dropshot Packs/$$ Check.
2nd Place ($570+): Trophy/Frabill 8” Curved Blade Auger/(2) Frabill Straight Line 101XLA Combos/(2) Frabill Enticer 6715 Combos/(2) Frabill Softbags /Plano GS Angled Tackle System/(2) Frabill Straight Line Tip-Ups/Frabill 8” Curved Fishing Pliers/(2) Large PolyStic Glo Packs/(2) Small PolyStic Glo Packs/(2)Frabill Dropshot Packs/$$Check.
3rd Place ($400+): Trophy/Frabill Medium Sled/(2) Frabill Straight Line Tip-Ups/(2) Frabill Ice Hunter Combos/(2) Frabill Softbags/(2) HT Walleye Lure Kits/ Frabill 8” Curved Fishing Pliers/(2) Large PolyStic Glo Packs/(2) Small PolyStic Glo Packs/(2)Frabill Dropshot Packs/$$Check.
4th Place ($250+): Trophy/(2) Frabill Camp Chairs /(2) Frabill Straight Line Tip-Ups/HT Rod Locker/ HT Walleye Lure Kit/(2) Plano 3741 Stowaways/Frabill 8” Curved Fishing Pliers/(2) Large PolyStic Glo Packs/(2) Small PolyStic Glo Packs/(2)Frabill Dropshot Packs/$$Check.
5th Place ($200+): Trophy/(2) Frabill Straight Line Tip-Ups /(2) Frabill Enticer 6718 Combos/HT Rod Locker/(2) Plano 3640 Stowaways/Frabill 8” Curved Fishing Pliers/(2) Large PolyStic Glo Packs/(2) Small PolyStic Glo Packs/(2)Frabill Dropshot Packs/$$Check.
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Here's a thought. I golf sometimes (not much I'd rather fish) once and awhile I golf an event. It gives me the chance to hangout with friends that don't fish.
Personally I find some events not worth my money & time. I've never golfed at Drumlins in Syracuse for instance. It's not what I'm looking for.
So guess what? I choose not to do it. I don't spend my summers Bashing Drumlins because it's expensive & I don't like it.
If something doesn't appeal to you Don't do it
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Let me start by saying I think what Tim and whoever helps him with this tournament series is doing a great thing for NY and Icefishing. With that said I fished the Sodus event last year and I think things went OK, but I would never fish the events again for one reason and one reason only and thats no cash payouts. I think the prize packs are great and they are nice but people who spend the money to travel to these events and fish them have better or comparable items to that being giving away. I dont want to win something I already have and then have to try and sell it.
I think if you gave cash away from entries and sponsors you would get allot larger turn outs. Just an opinion.
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I think if you gave cash away from entries and sponsors you would get allot larger turn outs. Just an opinion.
Agreed! However, good luck to anyone pulling sponsorships in the way of cash from major corporations and businesses when you are just starting the tournament and do not have a substantial angler base yet. We'll get there, but it will take time and ANGLER SUPPORT. Again, if we have hundreds of anglers attend an event, the payout becomes substantial IN ADDITION to the prizes.
For example:
If we had 500 anglers at the Sodus event, this is what you would have seen:
1st place Open prize checks = $675
2nd place Open prize checks = $400
3rd place Open prize checks = $275
1st Place Pro-Am Prize check = $825
2nd Place Pro-am prize check = $500
3rd Place Pro-Am prize check = $330
(if we kept it to 3 places paid - we would likely drop them a little (1st place to $500 and so on) to pay down all 5 places)
That would have been the pay-out. Look a little better? It just boils down to numbers. As for the 1099's, there is no other tournament in NYS that receives the sponsorships like we do. In fact, no other tournament in the country is supported as much as our events by Plano and Frabill. Most sponsorships from each company to other tournaments is small and therefore not tracked individually. Plus most other tournaments are run by not-for-profit organizations which allows the sponsoring companies to write off their donations. Neither applies to us. We are a corporation with the IRS looking at us with a magnifying glass tracking every item that we take in, from a simple $1 drop shot pack to the $700 Ambush shelters. Each year we have to be able to say exactly what we took in, how we gave each item away, and anything over $250 we need to know who it went to. The amount of paperwork and spreadsheets and inventorying and item allocation we do is staggering, but I wouldn't expect anyone to understand that as nothing of this magnitude has ever been done before in Ice Fishing tournaments. That's why it is cutting edge, exciting, limitless if you stop looking at us in our infancy and look to the future at the big picture, and why we are the most supported ice fishing series in the country. There is so much that goes into these events (right down to the way we position the banners for the awards ceremony and how each item is displayed) most people simply can't comprehend it all unless you're involved with it. I understand that and that is why I write these responses - to try to give you a glimpse into the complexity and grandure of these events. Why do you think I put in over 2500 hours of work into these each year? For the money? ;D We are taking ice fishing tournaments to a whole new level never before seen. It's not going to happen overnight, nor will it happen in the first few years. The Pro-Am team events are intimidating at first to most anglers - IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE ON THE ICE and thought by many last year as an impossible format to run. We proved it otherwise and the teams who participated keep coming back for some reason and would like us to spread our wings to other waterways!
If you don't like it, that's fine. Take your $30 elsewhere. But 10 years from now (or sooner) when we're writing $2500+ checks and offering a chance at a new truck, I bet you'll be giving us your $30. And if not, that's ok too. @)
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Well put Tim! I can't imagine doing what your doing for the sport is easy, but I thank you and your crew. I will fish your tournament series when ever I can .
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I had a great time fishing and meeting new people, my fishing buddy and I have several memories that will last the rest of our lives! The tourney was a little of a letdown for us but being it's just starting out I can understand some growing pains. Tim and his staff really bust there hump running this and it shows!
If it were closer to me I would attend it every year.
What I'd like to see for next year is a clearly marked weigh in. A white banner on the ice don't cut it.
I literally drove by it 2 times and had to ask a guy where it was. Then when I went to take my second fish in it was gone!
I walked on the ice from 1st creek area to the weigh in due to machine issues for what appears to be for no reason, seeing they changed the must be on ice rule half way through Saturday. :-\
There needs to be a line of communication to the anglers be it a radio or a number to call with questions.
With the on ice weigh in your average bucket Bob with no machine and gps would never be competitive.
How about a on land weigh in requiring a photo on the ice with the fish for the open fishermen?
I think the pro and open lunker pools should be separate and being a smaller field the pro teams may want to make it a larger amount?
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There needs to be a line of communication to the anglers be it a radio or a number to call with questions.
With the on ice weigh in your average bucket Bob with no machine and gps would never be competitive.
How about a on land weigh in requiring a photo on the ice with the fish for the open fishermen?
I think the pro and open lunker pools should be separate and being a smaller field the pro teams may want to make it a larger amount?
Great suggestions! The Lunker Pools will be separate next year, and the way(s) fish are brought to weigh-in is on the table for discussion for next year's events. Over the next two months we will be deciding on next year's events, and will be sending out angler surveys to those who attended our events for feedback and suggestions for next year. As our website states, this is a series put on by anglers, for anglers. We take your suggestions and concerns into consideration and do our best to provide an outstanding event. Follow us on FB and our website for survey announcements, and updates for next year's events.
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The 1099's are given out for the value of those prizes. So in the eyes of the government, the tournament takes in $9000 and gives out roughly $9000 in prizes and has all the individual winners 1099's. The tourney is getting that money back which in the beginning was prizes donated by great companies! Wait till the first place team gives the $2000+ 1099 to the accountant and he/she says you owe the government $700! Its a joke and it took time, but I finally realized it. This is a profit tournament. Correct me if I'm wrong but the website doesn't say "not for profit". Keep supporting the tournament boys......