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Miscellaneous => Ice Fishing FAQ => Topic started by: Iceshanty on Nov 14, 2003, 06:52 AM
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Scenario:
I am on a hot bluegill bite. Found a school of slab gills in a bay that is bowl shaped in depth, around 11 feet deep. There slight depression that was around 13 feet deep, no bigger than 8’x8’. I had four holes were you could catch fish, two hot ones and two backups. The fish hung there for 3 weeks so I had time to really get a pattern nailed down.
My youngest bro, who back then was just getting into fishing, was out with me. I set him on the two backup holes. We are pretty competitive when it come to fishing, so the only info I gave him was about the two good holes. He didn’t catch much that day, bro-2 fish me-limit. Next time out, I helped him out a tad bit. I told him “take off the 4lb test and put on some of this 2lb”, “get rid of the huge jig and put on this one”, “hook your bait like this on this hook”. I did everything but give him my pole and holes. He did a tiny bit better. Bro-6 fish me-limit.
Next time out he’s getting a little upset with me, to say the least. I had him sit with me in my portable and let him sit in the hottest hole. I’m nailing them, he still can’t get a bite? I gave him my pole. Still nothing, while I’m just pullin slabs and laughing.
Question:
What was the problem?
Prize:
1st one to reply with the correct answer gets: Member status raised to the next level :'(
Answer:
Gonna have to give it to Icehunter!
He hit on it first. It was all in the jigging action.
When this was happening, I couldn't figure it out for awhile. Cuz the equipment was the same. But then I remembered something that Big Jack (http://www.iceshanty.com/iceshanty/iceshanty_online/mar02/lakemasters/lakemasters.shtml) had said to me "Your putting the package together." I was missing a piece of the package. There was only one thing left, jigging action, the action he put on the jig. He was shaking it, but not like I was. Never even thinking about it I had perfected a shake that made the bluegill bite. I told the bro to mimic my jigging actions, low and behold, BAM! After hal a dozen quick bites you should have seen his eyes light up, like he discovered the secret to life.
Well the bro starts catching them better than I was for cripes sake >:( So I kicked him out of my shack! ;)
Presentation,
If you have been fishing the holes on a consistent pattern you are either:
A) holding the bait very still so that the fish are not spooked which can occationally happen, or.
B) A consistent slight wiggle to the presentation so that the fish are reacting to the bait.
One other option that I just thought of is that you are making sure that the point of the hook is covered with bait so that the fish are not feeling the hook prior to committing to the bait.
Just my thoughts.
Thumper
I'll give the others who got it a bonus 50 posts added to their post count.
Waterwolf
Fishdaddy09
Mugz
kerosenecounty17
Schools out for today :'(
-Scott
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Presentation or he was'nt holding his mouth right :D
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He didn't have a Vex.
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icenutt;
ya beat me to the post!!
Did he wash his hands before fishing??
I got a buddy who is always tinkering/cobbeling on his equipment (wheeler, auger) then wonders why he gets out fished.
Petro products on hands.
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Has to be subleties of presentation. My brother & I were out once & he out fished me 3 to 1 & we used the same set up & fished 5 feet apart.
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Must be a brother thing because mine outfishes me all the time when we are sitting side by each in a 6' portable.
My answer would be that he's fishing at a little different depth than you are.
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because you fished the holes for three weeks you new the hot ness of the holes changed and you knew the pattern so you always had him in the backup holes ;D
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He wasn't "feeling" the bites like you were due to something like sensitivity of the rod or the fact he may have been wearing gloves and you weren't.
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He was probably waiting to feel the bite instead of watching the line.
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;D Thats a good one... but nope.
Posted by:missfishylicious
because you fished the holes for three weeks you new the hot ness of the holes changed and you knew the pattern so you always had him in the backup holes ;D
CLUE
The answer presentation is pretty vague, you'll need to be a bit more specific than that.
Posted by: skulldugary
Presentation or he was'nt holding his mouth right
Posted by: Danimal
Has to be subleties of presentation. My brother & I were out once & he out fished me 3 to 1 & we used the same set up & fished 5 feet apart.
-Scott
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The Gills had moved to the 13 ft depth, which was now the true "hot hole." Your Bro was fishing the other hot hole at a shallower depth. Or he was somehow spooking the school.
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Presentation,
If you have been fishing the holes on a consistent pattern you are either:
A) holding the bait very still so that the fish are not spooked which can occationally happen, or.
B) A consistent slight wiggle to the presentation so that the fish are reacting to the bait.
One other option that I just thought of is that you are making sure that the point of the hook is covered with bait so that the fish are not feeling the hook prior to committing to the bait.
Just my thoughts.
Thumper
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has to be jigging technique. possibly rate of fall of jig or fast short jigs or letting the jig smack the bottom then lift a couple of inches off bottom.
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your secretly useing a differant bait than your giveing him
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Presentation or he was'nt holding his mouth right :D
he wouldn't kiss your butt enough so you wouldn't tell him your secret
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you were fishing just under the surface because after three weeks in the small area 8'x8' the fish were running out of oxygen on the bottom?
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You were spraying some kind of tasty juice on your jig ;D
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Well, If he's fishing the same "honey hole" that you were catching fish in then it HAS to be the way he fishing the bait. If you showed him the EXACT same rig you were using, baited, and in a hole producing fish, then it MUST be his technique. If his technique is the same (because he must see what your doing and how you do it), then he's not feeling the hits. If he changed over to 2lb test he would feel more hits due to the increased sensitivity. On another note the depth he's fishing is wrong. He must try to fish different depths and see "where" the fish are holding. I would think the fish would be holding near the depth transition which would mean about 3/4 depth. Also, the fish would probably hit after a "jig motion" probably on the way down.
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oh heck if i knew the answer to this ? I wouldn't have to spend so much time on this site ;D ;D
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Because he was new to fishing......he didn't let out line and was therefore only fishing slightly below the ice!
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Was he useing the same jig? The same color? Was his pole the same action as yours? Was he working the jig in the same way as you? Was he fishing the same depth as you? If the answer to these questions is yes the he should have been catching too.
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you had your rod in a holder or were at least "dead sticking" your presentation. He was holding his rod and therefore had some movement to it.
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you hooked your minnows differently.
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the answer is posted on bluegill tips by you hook the bait just behind the head?
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well this is my 500th post so I guess it doesn't matter to me ::)
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Your brother was working the bait in a straight vertical way. Straight up, straight down. You on the other hand were working the bait both vertically and horizontally by circling and/or crossing the hole while jigging. It's only 8"-10" of horizontal movement, but can be a huge advantage at times.
That's my best guess.
kerosene
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Kerosene.....I liked that answer.....I'm with you.
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Gonna have to give it to Icehunter!
He hit on it first. It was all in the jigging action.
When this was happening, I couldn't figure it out for awhile. Cuz the equipment was the same. But then I remembered something that Big Jack (http://www.iceshanty.com/iceshanty/iceshanty_online/mar02/lakemasters/lakemasters.shtml) had said to me "Your putting the package together." I was missing a piece of the package. There was only one thing left, jigging action, the action he put on the jig. He was shaking it, but not like I was. Never even thinking about it I had perfected a shake that made the bluegill bite. I told the bro to mimic my jigging actions, low and behold, BAM! After hal a dozen quick bites you should have seen his eyes light up, like he discovered the secret to life.
Well the bro starts catching them better than I was for cripes sake >:( So I kicked him out of my shack! ;)
Presentation,
If you have been fishing the holes on a consistent pattern you are either:
A) holding the bait very still so that the fish are not spooked which can occationally happen, or.
B) A consistent slight wiggle to the presentation so that the fish are reacting to the bait.
One other option that I just thought of is that you are making sure that the point of the hook is covered with bait so that the fish are not feeling the hook prior to committing to the bait.
Just my thoughts.
Thumper
I'll give the others who got it a bonus 50 posts added to their post count.
Waterwolf
Fishdaddy09
Mugz
kerosenecounty17
Schools out for today :'(
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ohhh rip off your not even going to describe the jigging action you used :( >:(
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Just my luck a day late and a wax worm short ???
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Good one though Iceshanty.....you gotta love a good Q&A session.
Everyone benefits from the answers and some good answers too I must add.
:'(....... 8)
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Nothing gets by you ;D
I was going to try and explain it, but I thought that I could do better by showing the method. I was going to animate an image, having too much trouble getting it to look right so I think I'll video tape and post it in the near future. :'(
ohhh rip off your not even going to describe the jigging action you used :( >:(
-Scott
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I see all I, hear all,I just can't catch a darn thing ;D I'll be watching for it. ;)
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:) :) :)
Now if we only had ice here in Minnesota I could go out and practice jigging
Thumper
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OK time to update. Could he have a Spinning reel like yours--- You closed your bail prior to crank them up, he did not , he used his crank to close the bail. This made his Jig spin, the those cautious Gills would not hit his bait as it was unnatural spinning movement.