Made me a slammer style tip up and man does that thing work, just to tell ya how touchy they are, i was catching 5" perch in 30f of water in a 20mph wind not to bad for 1.50 $. only thing that sucked was is it out fished me LOL today at the second lake i went to in lenawee, but those slammers are sweet they work great and are easy to make....