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IceShanty Main => General Ice Fishing Chit Chat => Topic started by: Scalloper on Jul 18, 2014, 02:04 PM
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I bought a slightly used Jiffy Whitlightning model 76 with a 79cc 2 hp Tecumseh engine. The auger in general looks almost new but its got a blown engine. Well, the guy sold it to me for $25 so I figured I would just buy a new short block and have a great auger. I have been told by two dealers that Tecumseh discontinued this engine and we can not even get parts for them. WTH????? So if we buy a Jiffy now they are just a throw away peice of junk? Might as well be made in China....
Anyone know any dealers that may have a engine for this not so old auger? Thanks
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I know you can still get "parts" for Tecumseh engines ? Do you have model and serial number for your Tecumseh engine ... then search Tecumseh ...you'll get list of a lot parts dealers/outlets ...but there going to need the above info ...not certain you will be able to get a short block but may get the bearing, rings etc . Good luck
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www.psep.biz (http://www.psep.biz)
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Unfortunately,most ARE made in China now, even Brigg's. (Made in the USA from "Global parts")
I just talked with my friend who has owned a large small engine repair business for forty years, told him your story, and he said "Nope", "throw it away". No longer available. Said they don't make the large parts like that for anything over about 5 years old anymore, and this old dude knows his stuff. That's the way things are in this "disposable society". Ya, it sucks. >:(
You should be able to find an engine for it, though, tons of those were made. Carb kits available for them, too. Good luck!
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There still should be stock out there... My dealer can get most Tecumseh parts still here in Canada.
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www.tecumsehpartstore.com (http://www.tecumsehpartstore.com) Probably worth a try, but I don't claim to be an expert. ;)
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Located this site ...http://www.buchallase.com/pages/OemParts#%2fTecumseh_Power_Company%2fTM049XA-3636D%2fEngine_Parts_List%2fTM049XA-3636D%2fETM049TM049XA3636D-EN I have very limited experience with Jiffy augers ...I looked up the engine model via jiffy website and determined it was TM049XA-3636D.. so I just searched that and came up with several sites including the one above .
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Looks like $128.54 for a replacement shortblock. :o Don't know that I would spend that much to repair that engine since there are complete augers in good shape to be found for around that price. My 2 hp Jiffy has been going strong for many years.
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Thanks a ton guys. The Model number is 3608D-TMO49XA
I am working today but I will check out some of the sites listed here. I have spoken to several Tec repd and they said this model is no longer available. But there still may be some around.
I would spend the $128.54 for a new block just to get this almost new auger up and going again. I know I could get somthing else for the same money but its a shame to discard good equpment
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Located this site ...http://www.buchallase.com/pages/OemParts#%2fTecumseh_Power_Company%2fTM049XA-3636D%2fEngine_Parts_List%2fTM049XA-3636D%2fETM049TM049XA3636D-EN I have very limited experience with Jiffy augers ...I looked up the engine model via jiffy website and determined it was TM049XA-3636D.. so I just searched that and came up with several sites including the one above .
The number I have is close #3608D-TMO49XA or TMO49XA-3608D. I sent a email to this company asking for a complete short block.
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Looks like $128.54 for a replacement shortblock. :o Don't know that I would spend that much to repair that engine since there are complete augers in good shape to be found for around that price. My 2 hp Jiffy has been going strong for many years.
I looked on that site yesterday but did not see what I was looking for. Where did you see this one for sale?
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I know you said the engine was blown ...what exactly do you mean?...my buddy was given Strikemaster TC200 that was blown ...upon taking it apart discovered that the nut that holds the carburetor had loosened and fell /suck into the cylinder ..removed it ...added a new carburetor nut a lil rebuild on the carburetor and works fine .
I looked on that site yesterday but did not see what I was looking for. Where did you see this one for sale?
under the parts list it notes engine or short block ...states call them ...most other sites say no item listed or discontinued or unavailable ...worth a dime to give them a shout
http://www.tecumsehpartstore.com/#/Tecumseh_Power_Company/TM049XA-3608D/Engine_Parts_List/TM049XA-3608D/ETM049TM049XA3608D-EN
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No compresion and scored cylinder walls. I belive someone may have ran straight gas threw it.
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I looked on that site yesterday but did not see what I was looking for. Where did you see this one for sale?
tecumsehpartstore.com. Used TMO49XA-3636D for the search.
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Try this http://www.buchallase.com/pages/OemParts#/Tecumseh_Power_Company/TM049XA-3608D/TM049XA-3608D%2c_3608D-TM049XA/TM049XA-3608D/-ERTM049XA-3608D
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Looks like $128.54 for a replacement shortblock. :o Don't know that I would spend that much to repair that engine since there are complete augers in good shape to be found for around that price. My 2 hp Jiffy has been going strong for many years.
Ok, its all ordered. $128.54 and $25 for shipping. Not cheep but I should have a great spare auger for about $175
Thanks all for the help. Doug
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Not a bad overall price ...plus it'll be new ..as long as the rest of it has minimal use and no excess wear and tear ...let us know ...what you get with your short block ...and how you make out with the rebuild .
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...and don't forget new rings! Glad it worked out.
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I think short blocks come with crank, rod and piston installed. ;)
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I think shirt blocks come with crank, rod and piston installed. ;)
I was just working on a post to say that very thing when ice dawg beat me to it!! :flex: You should be able to salvage the externals from the auger to put on your short block! You might need to do a carb rebuild, but you should be good to go otherwise! Make sure you break it in gently and you should get many years use out of it!! Good luck!!! :thumbsup: :icefish:
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Note on the carburetor kits ....make sure its a complete kit ...some are just gaskets with limited or no internal parts ..you will be in the same boat , as with the short block, looking for a kit you'll need make ,model number etc ...and search ...search... search .
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Thanks. I will let you know how it works out. I did also buy some new gaskits for the carb, exhaust, new plug and oil.
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I hope it purrs like a kitten when ya get her going. Have fun on the ice.
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Well, more bad news. When I ordered the new short block on saterday on-line everything seemed to go well. So I ordered all of the needed gaskits to complete the job. Yesterday I noticed the company took out the money and a few hours later they put the money back into my account. So I called today. They no longer stock that motor so they returned my money. The lady said Tecumseh went out of business and they got bought up by another company. She did not know if the new company was going to make this model again. Great, so I have a gaskit kit coming and no motor.
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The lady from http://www.tecumsehpartstore.com/ gave me a phone number to call. The guy said "that engine is no longer available" I said "so when you buy a Jiffy and after 2 years the engine blows we should just chuck it like all other chinese junk and buy another one?" he said my only option is to buy another auger.....
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Located this site ...http://www.buchallase.com/pages/OemParts#%2fTecumseh_Power_Company%2fTM049XA-3636D%2fEngine_Parts_List%2fTM049XA-3636D%2fETM049TM049XA3636D-EN I have very limited experience with Jiffy augers ...I looked up the engine model via jiffy website and determined it was TM049XA-3636D.. so I just searched that and came up with several sites including the one above .
They show them on-line but they just told me they dont make any more Tecumseh engines. He said Briggs bought them out...
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Ok, round 3. I just spoke to a guy from "Small Engine Warehouse" he said he cannot get anything for that engine, but, the 4 stroke Honda GX25 should be a perfect replacment. http://www.smallenginewarehouse.com/GX25.html (http://www.smallenginewarehouse.com/GX25.html). So $204 later and we now have a 4 stroke engine for the $25 auger LOL.
If this does work, and this guy says it will, this still should be a cheep like new 4 stroke auger. He also said if it does not work for some reason just send it back for a full refund - shipping of $11
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You are having too much fun for one person. I bought a Strikemaster with a Honda 4 stroke last winter and it has the GX35 engine on it. It has been great for me.
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Thats a lot of work to get it running but it sounds like it will work out better for you in the end! Congrats if it works!
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IF the direction of rotation is the same, and the clutch/clutch shaft are the same diameter....
Only prob might be the shaft sizing/clutch sleeve/clutch drum diameter. Hopefully it will work for ya....
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If its not too late to consider, you can have it bored out a bit to a different piston if you can find it. Could be much cheaper, and if you tune the carb right, you can get a tiny bit more power out of it.
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The salsman at "Small Engine Warehouse" thought the GX25 would work but I dont think it comes close. Another member here has pointed out several issues.1 rotation.
The Tecumseh has a clutch drum of 2.5",the clutch is 2.37",the mounting pattern is 2.25"
The Honda GX25 360 is, bolt pattern is 2 9/32" square pattern. The clutch shoe O.D. is 2"
The Honda GX35 OD of the clutch drum = 3" The mounting pattern around the clutch shoe is 2 3/4" square.
Why did the salesman think this would work?
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I have been following this thread and am sorry to read of your problems. I have limited knowledge of gas engines but depending on want you mean by a blown engine Thomasthepikehunter's suggestion may work . Also is it possible to have a cylinder sleeve installed (not sure this is the right term) once again you would need a new piston as your cylinder diameter would be smaller then the original. Have you tried posting on the Maine section of Craigslist or Uncle Henry's someone may have the same model engine and auger laying in storage. One last idea have you contacted Jiffy and asked what replacement motor they would recommend. or at least see if they still have spec.sheets/diagrams for your model White Lighting. I hope you find a low cost solution to your problem. Right now your bargain is looking like no bargain but instead one possibly costly project.
Steve
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I have thought about getting a new piston and rings and have the cylinder honed but it seems that there are no parts available at all. I know they are listed on some sites but when you call they will tell you they are not being made anymore and no parts available. From what I have learned so far it seems there are quite afew of these augers around with no motors and no replacments to fix them.
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You can get custom pistons made to whatever size you want. Another option is to find a piston from another engine like a chainsaw, or even a different auger, as long is its slightly bigger than the one in it. It also has to be the same length. A machinist can bore your cylinder to that easily. I've done dirt bikes for $50, but those pistons are readily available. My favorite is wiseco pistons. They also make customs. Its all quite a bit of work, but that's what it takes if you wanted to make money on this. IMO its also a ton of fun to kind of patch a motor together and have it work better than new. Heck while your at it get a custom expanded exhaust pipe and really crank out some horse power. ;D I'm just kidding on that last part, but I've always wanted to try it.
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Thats kind of what I was thinking just a project that I would like to see threw. I have 2 10" augers that run great so this is just a extra. I have used Wiseco pistons in the past in outboards and they ran better then ever. If I could find a machine shop that would bore it and match me up with a piston I would consider it for sure.
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A quick search turns up maine machine shop, in your part of the state. Lots of machine shops will do it. Cylinder boring is easy, and takes hardly any time. Finding the piston will be the tricky part as the piston length, wrist pin hole, compression height, basically everything has to be the same. The diameter is the only thing that can change without major work. If you have the time, and enjoy this kind of thing, take it apart and find the dimentions of your piston. Maybe a small engine mechanic can cross reference a piston? Its not like these motors are strung out to peak performance, I'd bet there are lots of pistons out there, you just have to find them.
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not sure how far you want to take it, or if you wanted to ship it out, but I have a guy here in VT that I know can bore and sleeve it. Look Up Jerry's machine shop in ST Johnsbury VT. He did an outboard for my last summer that I was having the same problem finding parts for. Runs like a charm, and now my 8hp evinrude is pushing close to 15hp ;)
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You can ship it to plenty of places, the trick is to find one for cheap. $50 is a decent price, but remember shipping. If you can find one near you for $50-60 you are set.
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Scalloper I.m not familiar with Maine but if it is not to great a drive maybe give Dags bait shop in Auburn a phone call. This past season they posted photos of their shop one or two were of used augers they took in trade. It is a long shot but they might have the motor or similar model auger among their stock. I guess it comes down to how much your willing to spend to get your auger up and running.
Steve
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Dags was the first call I made. He said if I find any of these engines he would like a call because he has none left and dont know where to get any. Great people at Dags. I am about 3hrs east of them.
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Scalloper from what I have read here on Ice Shanty I agree and wish there was a bait shop like Dags in my area.
Steve
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Ok so I received the honda 4 stroke awhile ago. But the hole in the engine that the clutch would go into is to small, just as I thought when I ordered it from "Small engine wharehouse" but the saleman said it will work fine. I will admit its close. Its been two weeks since I did all of the measuring so I dont have the numbers right here in frount of me but if I take the engine to a machinest they could bore out the engine "bell housing so to speak" so the clutch will fit. The throtel will need to be modified to fit the auger but in the end I would have a 8" auger with a new 4 stroke engine for $255 without the machining cost which is unknown at this time. I will get back to some of you at a later date with pictures and measurments if any of you are interested. Thanks for all of the assistance along the way. Doug
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Scalloper from what I have read here on Ice Shanty I agree and wish there was a bait shop like Dags in my area.
Steve
If Dags was not 3hrs drive from me I would go there and show Marcell what my plan is. He asked me to let him know if I came up with a engine that would work. This may or may not be a feasable option but I still think it may be as the cost of a new 4 stroke auger would be very much more then I will have wraped up in this one.