I think it all depends on the lake. Around here there are lakes that you can take then down really deep, while in others, they're in shallow. Weeds, structure, water quality/clarity, location of food source, etc., all come into play, and all lakes differ in those areas, so you need to adjust your program to the lake, time of year, etc. That's why being mobile at the beginning often pays off. then you can find and set up over a group. electronics are always good too