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Ice Fishing Tips -Check your local regulations! => Northern Pike => Topic started by: bushey911 on Dec 09, 2010, 11:46 AM
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goin through gear today this when i noticed that I'm still stuck in the past using steel leaders..remember a couple of posts last year that said they use a heavy mono. Just wondering what the test was and if any brand would be better then others. Think this will give a couple more flags this year.
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I use 40lbs green fire line. I do however set up a few tip ups with 12in black steal. I seam to get more flags off the fire line.
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If you do a search both here and in the "pike" forums you will find days worth of reading on pike leaders :) Me personally, went from steel to 80lb flouro and really liked the results
CJ
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I have a mix of all three- braid steel and fluoro. Don't notice much of a difference in some places, other places only the fluoro gets hits. I think its more important when you're fishing clearer water. Also, using hole covers so there isn't as much light should help a little bit when you're fishing up high maybe
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If you do a search both here and in the "pike" forums you will find days worth of reading on pike leaders :) Me personally, went from steel to 80lb flouro and really liked the results
CJ
how do you tie knots with it? i use 20lb floruro and i don't like the size of the knot on my hook, i've tried using less wraps and have had a few come untied.
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how do you tie knots with it? i use 20lb floruro and i don't like the size of the knot on my hook, i've tried using less wraps and have had a few come untied.
Polamar knot
http://www.animatedknots.com/palomar/index.php?Categ=fishing&LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com
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thats my favorite knot, but when i've tried to use it my hook eye liked to slide around in the line. now and then the line would get caught on the open ent of the eye and would not usually come loose so i had to cut and retie
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I run 40# Flouro,definitely get more bites than I did runnin steel.
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60 lb flouro. Steel sounds better and better though, as I usually get bit off at least once every season. I like the amount of bites I get on flouro though, and a slob bass isnt out of the question when using it.
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Surflon micro supreme steel, or floro, depending on a few variables.
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how do you tie knots with it? i use 20lb floruro and i don't like the size of the knot on my hook, i've tried using less wraps and have had a few come untied.
You will experience knot slipping if you're new to flourocarbon lines/leaders. After some more practicing you'll learn how to cinch them down so they won't slip. I personally like to tie Trilene Knot or a variation of it up to 80# test on leader material. I too had my first few knots slipped on me, but now they no longer do.
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how do you tie knots with it? i use 20lb floruro and i don't like the size of the knot on my hook, i've tried using less wraps and have had a few come untied.
A Uni knot is IMO the best knot to use with heavy flouro, 20lb isn't to bad and you can tie a few different knots alright, but with 40 lb and up most knots don't work very well. I usually use 40 and 100lb for pike and the Uni provides a nice perfectly cinched down neat knot even with 100lb, try it and you're guaranteed to like it.
Heres a pic I took last year, 100 lb triple fish muskie leader and a Uni Knot.
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j25/MasterAngler28/P1020148.jpg)
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I switched from steel to 50 lb mono. The leader material, not regular line. Will not look back. My rate has increased tremendously, especially in clear, shallow water.
I use the simple barrel knot with 3-4 twists, then i put a dab of garilla glue to hold it.
I used the same leaders for summer pike fishing as well.
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Just wondering where you guys gt such heavy fluoro? Ive looked and cant seem to find it...
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Just wondering where you guys gt such heavy fluoro? Ive looked and cant seem to find it...
http://www.fish307.com/ (http://www.fish307.com/)
it's in lake george ny. i live in wells and go there every couple of weeks if you wanna ride together some time
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Think i found a good solution ;D. went to the local fly shop and ordered some toothy critters leader material. Looked like a really thin twisted metal protected by floral alittle pricy thankfuly im his best costumer and most of my things at cost.
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Mono is garbage, spend the extra money on floro. I made the mistake of trying 80lb mono one year and broke off 3 nice fish. I switched to 80lb floro after that. It's much harder material and it's less visible, more flags and no bite offs so far. Instead of knots I use a crimper so my hooks are free swinging on a small loop.
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I use 80 lb flouro, getting ready to tie up some leaders with Malin Boa.
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Polamar knot
http://www.animatedknots.com/palomar/index.php?Categ=fishing&LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com
Nice website. Going to be very helpful
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check out youtube.com (http://youtube.com). type in fishing knots
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40 lb seagar fluro, never had a bite off...and have iced pike over 20lbs on it....Not only is fluro less visable, it weighs less and doesn't hunker live bait down as much in my opinion...
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Ok, i got myself some 50 pound fluoro, but now i dont know how to connect my main line to the leader or how long of a leader to use. Any info much appreciated! thanks
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I tie my leader to a swivel, is use the simple barrel knot with 3 loops, then use a dap of gorilla glue, then swivel to main fishing line. Never had a proble. Takes a little practive with the heavy fluro, but works well. If you have a hard time tying a knot, you could use crimps, but is a little more expensive.
My leaders are 2.5-3'. I think you'll like the fluro.
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I ended up using an Albright know to connect my main line to the Leader, Worked great. And cinched down the hook with a palomer. Feels like a pretty strong setup to me. I guess I need a few slabber pike to test it out for me!
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Here is my question then a lot of you say that the fluoro is better than steel but I was wondering do you experience more cut offs because of this. Or if you get a heavy enough fluoro doesn't it matter.
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What about 15 pound flouro? That's what I have on hand right now. Right now I have 3 ft of it as a leader on 10 lb power pro braid.
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What about 15 pound flouro? That's what I have on hand right now. Right now I have 3 ft of it as a leader on 10 lb power pro braid.
I would go with 50#, don't trust anything lighter when it comes to big pike.
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Here is my question then a lot of you say that the fluoro is better than steel but I was wondering do you experience more cut offs because of this. Or if you get a heavy enough fluoro doesn't it matter.
i've never been cut off with 50 lb mono. Been using the same leaders for 2 yrs. I broke 3 steel leaders the season before, all were at the crimp due to wear, but still 3.
What about 15 pound flouro? That's what I have on hand right now. Right now I have 3 ft of it as a leader on 10 lb power pro braid.
That may be a little small, i'd go a little bigger.
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What about 15 pound flouro? That's what I have on hand right now. Right now I have 3 ft of it as a leader on 10 lb power pro braid.
i use 20lb seguar and rarely lose a fish. i think only 1 last year. i always wonder how people break so many off, they must horse them in. i take it easy and only put just enough pressure to move them and catch probably 98% of my fish
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made it out for the first time this year and lost one on my 20lb. fish was over 20 for sure. i'm switching to 40
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made it out for the first time this year and lost one on my 20lb. fish was over 20 for sure. i'm switching to 40
Seeing your comment directly above made me laugh looking at this one! But in all seriousness, Sorry about your loss. Extremely hard to cope with during the holidays ;D
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I use 3-4 feet of 17-20lb berkley vanish for a leader and a #10 mustad treble. Ive caught some large pike/musky with it. most of the time if Im going to keep the fish I will use a gaff to get it up on the ice, Then retie after catching a fish.
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Seeing your comment directly above made me laugh looking at this one! But in all seriousness, Sorry about your loss. Extremely hard to cope with during the holidays ;D
i thought someone might like that ;D i changed all of my leaders to 50lb seguar
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finlessbrown, you jinxed yourself. :roflmao: :roflmao:
When I go lighter, I end up breaking off, but I seem to get more bites. Then I get mad at myself, come back with the heavy stuff, then I get like almost no bites. Then I get mad about it, come back with some lighter stuff and the whole crazy cycles repeats itself. Once in a while I do upgrade my reel or to something of better quality and find my success will improve with the lighter stuff. ;D
30# will be the lightest I will do this year. I've got 80# set aside. I might just get some 50# stuff ready on the side as well or maybe some 40# and 60# stuff too. Darn this thread.... >:(
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finlessbrown, you jinxed yourself. :roflmao: :roflmao:
When I go lighter, I end up breaking off, but I seem to get more bites. Then I get mad at myself, come back with the heavy stuff, then I get like almost no bites. Then I get mad about it, come back with some lighter stuff and the whole crazy cycles repeats itself. Once in a while I do upgrade my reel or to something of better quality and find my success will improve with the lighter stuff. ;D
30# will be the lightest I will do this year. I've got 80# set aside. I might just get some 50# stuff ready on the side as well or maybe some 40# and 60# stuff too. Darn this thread.... >:(
I would set aside some 20,30,40,50,60,70,75,80,100,and 200 lb test, just in case ;D
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I use 15lb mono. Let my pictures speak for themselves :) If the fish wants to run let it run don't sit there and try to winch it in. Its not a hard process.
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20# P-line florocarbon. Mustad circle hooks 2/0. snell knot. :tipup:
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I use 15lb mono. Let my pictures speak for themselves If the fish wants to run let it run don't sit there and try to winch it in. Its not a hard process.
Your not fishing heavy weeds are you? Easy to let a fish run when your fishing open water. Fish a lake with heavy milfoil and you'll change your tune in a heartbeat... ;)
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Fished twice this year for Tiger's, I had steel, my buddy had 17lb fluoro. First trip my buddy had 6 flags, I had zero. We landed a 30'er and 42"er which was ~19-20lbs, as I lifted it out of the hole the line snapped, but it got the job done. I went out again the following week with a buddy, 10 steel leaders total.....0 flags.
I have used Maxima Chameleon line religiously for open water and ordered a spool of 30lb to use as leaders. I am looking forward to my next trip to see if my # of flags increases.
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I curently make all my leaders out of steel. You guys are making me think I should go to floro. Do you just put a loop on one end, hook on other end? Is it that simple? or are you using spinners, beads, or the typical stuff you find on store bought? Will the collars you use on steel work, or do you tie knots? give me some assembly ideas, pis . Thanks Mike
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i have had a couple bite offs this year on 20# floro leader. but we have been getting a lot more flags. you are always going to lose fish thats why its called fishing. :tipup:
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I curently make all my leaders out of steel. You guys are making me think I should go to floro. Do you just put a loop on one end, hook on other end? Is it that simple? or are you using spinners, beads, or the typical stuff you find on store bought? Will the collars you use on steel work, or do you tie knots? give me some assembly ideas, pis . Thanks Mike
I use 50 lb mono, and tie the hook on directly, but am also trying a few that go from line to o-ring to hook. I use the simple barrel knot with 3 twists, and have found that before you twist the line to tie, pinch the line together around the eye of the hook, it helps to tie better. Then 2-3' of line, then i use the same tying method to tie on a swivel at the other end. Thats all is use, nothing fancy. No break offs yet. Flag rate has also increased probably 3-4x. I sometimes put a small dot of gorilla glue on the knot, but am trying to go without it.
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i have just always used steel but may try some flurocarbon this weekend, will pick some up at gander on the way home
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actually i have some 30 pound test spider wire braid on hand, think that will work?
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actually i have some 30 pound test spider wire braid on hand, think that will work?
I responded on the other thread as well, but have heard some negative reviews about braid, i've heard people on here say it cuts easy. I don't know from experience though.
30-50 lb fluro should do well.
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okay thanks, hmm its deff harder for me to cut than mono,lol. i need a knife to cut the stuff, mono i can bite in half
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Used to make mine out of steel, throw on a couple red or yellow beads and an egg sinker, crimp the hook and swivel on. Started using braid 2 years ago, and haven't had a break off yet, but haven't been using tip ups much lately.
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okay thanks, hmm its deff harder for me to cut than mono,lol. i need a knife to cut the stuff, mono i can bite in half
Standard mono is pretty weak. The mono leader material is much stronger. The only experience i have with braid is fireline in the summer, the stuff will cut like nothing on a hook set, mono leader material won't.. I use the same leaders in the summer.
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Floro is much better than mono. It's harder for the pike to see and has more abrasion resistance. I had 3 fish bite through the 80lb Ande mono leader material. I switched to 80lb floro and haven't broke one off yet.