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Indiana => Ice Fishing Indiana => Topic started by: icingonspice on Jan 23, 2018, 11:55 AM
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Seriously we don't believe in the research to warrant restriction limits...........
http://michianaoutdoorsnews.com/columns/1882-an-argument-for-an-indiana-bluegill-limit
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This Price guy even admits “i don’t think we want to have 10 fish limits” what an idiot, if that’s what makes the lake better do it for a few years, like I said not impressed with INDNR......
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We live in a great state and the guys and girls at the indnr do a good job with what they have. Funding and public influence are more to blame on these decisions.
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We live in a great state and the guys and girls at the indnr do a good job with what they have. Funding and public influence are more to blame on these decisions.
Ditto, things were better before the suit salesman from Decatur Indiana was running the show back when we had the large increase in licenses. We still haven't recovered from the problems he created.
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But they did institute the limit in your home freezer correct, heard that on here, sounds like a good idea and easily implemented!
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Seriously we don't believe in the research to warrant restriction limits...........
http://michianaoutdoorsnews.com/columns/1882-an-argument-for-an-indiana-bluegill-limit
Not sure I got that from the article. But there seems to be a hesitancy for whatever reason. I just can't see where it would hurt. And I can find tons of research to show otherwise. Absolutely tons of it in other states. And even our own state. I seem to remember a biologist I worked for saying Sylvan Lake was an example where bluegills can be fished down. That was before it was renovated. Probably in a local newspaper interview back in 1977?
Sounds like we need to keep pushing for a 25 fish limit and it may happen. This is Indiana folks. Things change slowly.
Louie wrote a good article.
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Ditto, things were better before the suit salesman from Decatur Indiana was running the show back when we had the large increase in licenses. We still haven't recovered from the problems he created.
Who was that?
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What could it hurt to take 10 lakes and put big time restrictions on them and see what happens, sorry but it doesnt cost much to run a shock boat to take surveys. I got so fed up with Indiana’s poor lakes I moved to a private one. Go to any public lake in Minnesota and you will catch fish.
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I hope more people get " discouraged " about the fishing here.
Leaves more for me.
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The suit salesman from Decatur? It sounds like you may be misinformed.
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Who was that?
MR. MACKLIN
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The suit salesman from Decatur? It sounds like you may be misinformed.
Not misinformation. .. I loved the history. Actually grew up knowing him. He decided we needed a big increase in fees ( 20% if i remember correctly) because we hadn't had an increase... people panicked and bought life times... the following year the state had a lack of cash flow and decided to do away with the life time .
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Not misinformation. .. I loved the history. Actually grew up knowing him. He decided we needed a big increase in fees ( 20% if i remember correctly) because we hadn't had an increase... people panicked and bought life times... the following year the state had a lack of cash flow and decided to do away with the life time .
I do think the rate increase was needed. I would pay more even now for better services and better pay for INDNR employees. I can't verify this but have heard INDNR wages are some of the lowest in the U.S. I was told when I was a biologist aid that biologists in Michigan got 10 grand more a year than INDNR biologists. But keep in mind that was way back in 1977.
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I agree tax1, I don't dispute the need for increases now or then. My point was the drastic increase caused panic and disapproval which lead to a lot of life times sold which ultimately led to no life times. There were some other things under his guidance that did not help Hoosier outdoorsman as well which I can only assume led to his resignation. He was a good business man for many years with his clothing store but I never understood why he was appointed in the first place. Takes more than good business smarts to run our resources. Either way I can see where we need to impose some restrictions on some lakes if not across the state as a whole. I believed in the 1 buck rule from its birth and I am seeing the benefits as of now. However I'm not so sure I believe in the everyone gets a trophy doe laws we have. I know in my area we have seen the effects and its not allowing for quality deer hunting. I live in a bearded community and they seem to have no balance in anything let alone nature, Seems their philosophy is : take down as many trees as you see, keep those dogs and horses pregnant and every other reproducing creature they have control over. If they are allowed 8 deer by law everyone in there family has 8 tags and one way or another they fill them tags. And while I don't agree with it or seeing 100 gills in a picture on this web site there nothing I can do about it. I know several guys who will go out on the ice and kill it like that and then give most the fish away, not cleaned fish. Whole fish... what the heck is the point? I can see catching enough for "Mr. Wilson" next door who cant get out anymore and you should clean them for him too... but there is no reason in the world to pile'em up like that. I know you spoke of going to the meetings but that didn't stop the rifle law or the extra doe tags FB insurance has been pushing for over 20 yrs. I think that our Department should take more notice to other states that are doing well. I'm no biologist so I really only know what I like to see when I'm in the field. I'm not qualified to put us on the path to get to that.
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I stand corrected. Mr. Macklin's role on The Adams county economic development board was an absolute disaster, as well, so i would question any policy he assisted.
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I stand corrected. Mr. Macklin's role on The Adams county economic development board was an absolute disaster, as well, so i would question any policy he assisted.
True, sad thing is that was even after he fouled up and resigned from the state position.
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[quote[ I believed in the 1 buck rule from its bir/quote] I just read an article about how this is being blamed for the spread of cwd. It said infected bucks with small racks are less likely to be killed, allowing them to spread the disease.
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Great discussion obviously Indiana lacks financial resources to make major changes, but what’s the DNRs policy on private citizens raising money to improve their favorite lake??? Does the Indiana DNR allow habitat placement in public waters, what about private stocking of fish???
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[quote[ I believed in the 1 buck rule from its bir/quote] I just read an article about how this is being blamed for the spread of cwd. It said infected bucks with small racks are less likely to be killed, allowing them to spread the disease.
. That’s BS !!
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and if you have a place on a lake and with a couple of neighbors call it an association....
and then you can acquire the proper permits for weed kills.....
I believe that started in the Macklin era also....
that's the worst of his legacy!!
often help to be paid for thru the lake enhancement fund we all pay for...
what part of that makes sense!! (lake Webster 2016)
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. That’s BS !!
Actually it is. I was wrong, it was a.p.r. that they were blaming for the spread.
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Really though. .. how much does it cost to change a limit law??????
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The Lake Webster weed kill was done by private homeowners and the DNR allowed this???? I heard that was a total disaster, didn’t they use like Sonar which is nuclear fallout for a lake??? If DNR allowed this it’s ridiculous.
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Holy crap the DNR did approve the Webster weed kill, it cost $125,000; don’t those dummies know you could have installed some lake aeration for that cost and made a huge impact, so stupid.
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Holy crap the DNR did approve the Webster weed kill, it cost $125,000; don’t those dummies know you could have installed some lake aeration for that cost and made a huge impact, so stupid.
Wouldn't using aeration also change the structure or contour of the lake? I don't think that would be a good idea in my opinion.
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Go to lakesavers.com he does large lake aeration projects, we didn’t use him but we put in an Aeration system in one of our 30 acre lakes, in short time it’s made a huge difference (we were having algae issues) cause they killed all the weeds and put in grass carp, real smart.
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Indiana should jump the fishing license fee by 10.00 per year per resident and 20.00 per year per non resident. Even at 37.00 a year it is a still a bargain. Use the money to put in a limit and add enforcement of the existing laws on the books. Enforcement in IN lacks way behind other states. Rarely if ever see a CO in IN, where in Michigan we see them nearly 3 to 4 times a month on various BOW.
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http://www.in.gov/activecalendar_dnr/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=9513&information_id=20273&type=&syndicate=syndicate (http://www.in.gov/activecalendar_dnr/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=9513&information_id=20273&type=&syndicate=syndicate)
source.
ummm DNR approved,,,AND paid for...
just to clarify..
(Jed Pearson fought the earlier sonar use but was overruled....just saying)
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Indiana should jump the fishing license fee by 10.00 per year per resident and 20.00 per year per non resident. Even at 37.00 a year it is a still a bargain. Use the money to put in a limit and add enforcement of the existing laws on the books. Enforcement in IN lacks way behind other states. Rarely if ever see a CO in IN, where in Michigan we see them nearly 3 to 4 times a month on various BOW.
Ya but you still have low income homes that love the sport and may have teens in a home that fish . For a family a four or five that's alot of money to buy just in fishing license
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I personally think that our out-of-state licenses need to be raised instead of Resident license being raised if you look into what it cost to go kill a deer in Illinois or Michigan and then look at what it cost for an Illinois resident or a Michigan resident to come kill a deer in our state it's insane the difference in the price break that an out-of-state resident gets to come to our state to kill a deer
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Ya but you still have low income homes that love the sport and may have teens in a home that fish . For a family a four or five that's alot of money to buy just in fishing license
It is affordable even for a low income family if fishing is a priority item. Those teens that are old enough to need a license are old enough to be working a job after school. It is half a carton of smokes, 2 cases of beer, less than a cell phone plan when not even considering the cost of the phone. 1/3 the cost of cable and the list goes on. For 37.00 x 4 they could feed their family several meals a week of fish. The cost would quickly be offset by savings at the grocery store.
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I understand what your saying but 150 bucks can be alot of money to some families . And you have to remember now it's 2018 adn kids do not know what work is these days !
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I understand what your saying but 150 bucks can be alot of money to some families . And you have to remember now it's 2018 adn kids do not know what work is these days !
. That’s the problem, everything handed to them, they need a job at the latest 16 yrs old !!
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I agree but that's in a perfect world and this ain't perfect ! My oldest is 13 and he has more work ethic than any 16 to 18 year old that I've MET in the last 5 years
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I agree but that's in a perfect world and this ain't perfect ! My oldest is 13 and he has more work ethic than any 16 to 18 year old that I've MET in the last 5 years
. One of the few, must be a good kid. We were made to do chores, help on the farm, and were given $5 week for gas for the car for the weekends !!
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. One of the few, must be a good kid. We were made to do chores, help on the farm, and were given $5 week for gas for the car for the weekends !!
I would like to think so he's definitely got his head on watch straighter then I did when I was 13 ! Yep I hear you bud I did the same stuff when I was a kid and had to work for everything that I had I went to school and had a full-time job. 95% of kids these days have no idea what the word ,( work) means. I try and teach my son the importance of hard work and giving yourself a good name. I give him an allowance and he has seen what doing what you're supposed to do can result in. He has a better hunting Arsenal than I did when I was 18 and 90% of it he has worked hard for and paid for with his own money. I feel he understands what hard work can result in...
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I personally think that our out-of-state licenses need to be raised instead of Resident license being raised if you look into what it cost to go kill a deer in Illinois or Michigan and then look at what it cost for an Illinois resident or a Michigan resident to come kill a deer in our state it's insane the difference in the price break that an out-of-state resident gets to come to our state to kill a deer
I think that is a fair point. Ohio has a " cheap " non res at 40$. however Michigan is 76.00. I'm sure Ohio is able to keep theirs low by the amount of non res sold for Erie. Kentucky is 50$ for non res fishing. Ill. is only 31$ Indiana is 35$ seems were not far off from other states on this with the exception of Mi.
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I understand what your saying but 150 bucks can be alot of money to some families . And you have to remember now it's 2018 adn kids do not know what work is these days !
They do in my house and my grandkids will as well......
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I understand what your saying but 150 bucks can be alot of money to some families . And you have to remember now it's 2018 adn kids do not know what work is these days !
I disagree.... not everyone get a trophy... no work no play. If the kids you speak of don't know how to make money then they don't deserve to fish our waters....
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I think that is a fair point. Ohio has a " cheap " non res at 40$. however Michigan is 76.00. I'm sure Ohio is able to keep theirs low by the amount of non res sold for Erie. Kentucky is 50$ for non res fishing. Ill. is only 31$ Indiana is 35$ seems were not far off from other states on this with the exception of Mi.
A non-resident fishing in Idaho...is $98. Daily is $15 for the first day and $7 each day after. A salmon/steelhead tag is another $15.75 (for both resident and not).
Resident is $30.50 / year or $73.75 for a 3 year. The weird thing here is, you can only fish 1 pole at a time during normal seasons but can buy a two-pole permit for $15. But during ice fishing, the pole/line in water limit is 5. But that's it. A two-pole permit doesn't allow you 10 lines.
(I'm originally from Indiana so I sometimes come to this board to check out whats happening)
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And I couldn't agree more , just my two cents . I just feel the out of state needs raised to make up lack of there for ..... It wasn't that long ago Michigan raised there annual out of state and one day license. I know because I worked on a close family friend charter boat for years and people having complaints when we told them the price had change from the years prior
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A non-resident fishing in Idaho...is $98. Daily is $15 for the first day and $7 each day after. A salmon/steelhead tag is another $15.75 (for both resident and not).
Resident is $30.50 / year or $73.75 for a 3 year. The weird thing here is, you can only fish 1 pole at a time during normal seasons but can buy a two-pole permit for $15. But during ice fishing, the pole/line in water limit is 5. But that's it. A two-pole permit doesn't allow you 10 lines.
(I'm originally from Indiana so I sometimes come to this board to check out whats happening)
Interesting, I probably wont travel there for a fishing trip. I do wish Michigan wasn't so expensive...
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Not misinformation. .. I loved the history. Actually grew up knowing him. He decided we needed a big increase in fees ( 20% if i remember correctly) because we hadn't had an increase... people panicked and bought life times... the following year the state had a lack of cash flow and decided to do away with the life time .
And I'm still regretting not getting one.......I'll bet 25% of the guys fishing have a life license.
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Great discussion obviously Indiana lacks financial resources to make major changes, but what’s the DNRs policy on private citizens raising money to improve their favorite lake??? Does the Indiana DNR allow habitat placement in public waters, what about private stocking of fish???
I know that there have been Walleye fingerlings stocked into Loomis in Valpo. I'm not sure if it was friends of fishing or an individual. Pictures were posted on MFF.
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. One of the few, must be a good kid. We were made to do chores, help on the farm, and were given $5 week for gas for the car for the weekends !!
So was I and that was when gas was .50 a gallon............ in my adult life 5.00 would only get you a gallon at times........LOL
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Def raise the out of state licenses, which seems to be happening all over. That may help curb the chicago crowds that pilage our streams for steelhead.
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Def raise the out of state licenses, which seems to be happening all over. That may help curb the chicago crowds that pilage our streams for steelhead.
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Yep !! More and more Russians showing up on the pier every year and they are the rudest people to be around ! Don't matter how much room is between you and the next guy they will come and cast right between you and 9 out of 10 snag your line !