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New York => Ice Fishing New York => Topic started by: Joe Snag on Jan 05, 2009, 03:36 PM
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Here is one from the Dead Sea--Great sacandaga-
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thats where i get all mine ....the sac.... my buddie won 100.00 last year durring a tourney there
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Lake Champlain has them, I've caught them in South Bay.
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i caught one on oneida a couple of years back
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I see them in the Susquehanna River here in NY.
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Just about every lake in Michigan it seems has them... They play heck on my shallow set Walleye minnow traps. Have caught up to three a night!!!
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Owasco--catch them in the waters when going for the lakers. Man--they are slippery and nasty. One got about five of our tip-up lines caught up and tangled. It must have been just cruising around and did not trip one flag ;D
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caught in Cayuga fishing for bullhead in the spring
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oneida has a few
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caught 10 of em in one night off of chicken liver at oneida lake mohawk river has em down at the barge canal got em there quite a few times to
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I've seen a few tossed on the ice from Erie at the Small Boat Harbor in Buffalo.
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them little buggers sure do taste good ;D
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i always get mixed talk about them are they posinous or not?
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them little buggers sure do taste good ;D
What type of batter would you use on mudpuppies. Do you fillet them or skin 'em. I'd imagine they'd taste similar to frog legs. I'll tell the girlfriend it's a delicacy and have her try it first.
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dead sea has plenty just keep bait close to bottom you will catch plenty have looked in holes and seen them on bottom just waiting for a meal
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Here is one from the Dead Sea--Great sacandaga-
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So is that why the North American record for northern pike was so big out of Great Sacandaga? She ate them for snacks? :o
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I have caught them out of Lake Ontario (just off the shore line) as well as in the St. Lawrence.
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Mohawk River, around Lock 7. Fugly little dudes.
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Ive seen them in Sandy Pond.
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i have caught them in the genesee river at night thats it for me
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Black Lake has them. Dog Fish too, get one of those puppies crawling up on ice in your shanty at night with low light - :o :roflmao: :roflmao: Makes you want to pick up and leave. ;D
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From DEC site:
Common Mudpuppy Distribution Map
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SBH has them...You couldnt pay me to eat those buggers unless i was stranded and had no choice.
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ok ok call me stupid..but are they good to eat..worth money..whats the big catch here...lok kinda cool but I am not exactly familiar with them...
I do know at the locks on the river people leave a fair amount of them on shore for dead as if they were pickerel or something?!?!
sorry for my ignorance...just info on them would be nice...thanks in advance
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I caught one in Lake St. Clair once back in the 70's.
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Mudpuppy
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Mudpuppy
Necturus maculosus
Necturus maculosus
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Amphibia
Subclass: Lissamphibia
Order: Caudata
Family: Proteidae
Genera
Necturus
Proteus
Mudpuppies or waterdogs are aquatic salamanders of the family Proteidae. Their name originates from the misconception that they make a dog-like barking sound.[1][2]
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* 1 Taxonomy
* 2 Life history
* 3 See also
* 4 Notes
* 5 External links
[edit] Taxonomy
Proteidae, is divided into two genera, Necturus with five North American species, and Proteus with one European species. They represent an ancient group, dating from the Pleistocene.[3]
Family Proteidae
* Genus Necturus
o Alabama Waterdog (Necturus alabamensis)
o Gulf Coast Waterdog (Necturus beyeri)
o Neuse River Waterdog (Necturus lewisi)
o Common Mudpuppy (Necturus maculosus)
o Dwarf Waterdog (Necturus punctatus)
* Genus Proteus
o Olm (Proteus anguinus)
[edit] Life history
In contrast to many salamanders, mudpuppies never lose their gills during maturation from larvae. This aspect of their physiology is known as pedomorphosis. Despite having lungs, which appear to provide little use in respiration[4], mudpuppies spend their entire lives underwater. The adult gills resemble fish gills in many ways, but differ from fish gills in that they are external and lack any form or operculum or covering. The bright red exposed gills are often found closed against the body in cool, highly oxygenated water. In warmer, poorly oxygenated water, the gills expand to increase water circulation and provide greater surface area for oxygen in-take. Mudpuppies also absorb oxygen through their skin and by occasionally breathing air at the surface[5].
Other distinguishing features of mudpuppies, as compared with other salamanders, are the absence of eyelids and of an upper jaw. They show a degree of parental care, tending to the eggs after attaching them to submerged stones and logs. Mudpuppies range in size from 28 centimetres (11 in) to 40 centimetres (16 in) in length.[2]
Mudpuppies prefer shallow lakes and streams that have slow moving water and rocks to hide under, but have been found in up to 90 feet of water[6]. The mudpuppy diet consists of small fish and many invertebrates, including crayfish, snails, and worms. Mudpuppies mature at four to six years and can live to be more than twenty years old. Progenesis is common for mudpuppies, enabling them to reach sexual maturity in their larval stage.
Even though they eat fish eggs, negative effects on fish populations have not been documented. Fishermen have been known to catch mudpuppies, sometimes in large numbers, but most often when ice fishing[7].
To distinguish between a larval mudpuppy and other larval salamanders, note that larval mudpuppies have distinct longitudinal banding and four toes on their hind legs, the combination of which is not found in most larval salamanders within the same range[8]. The main difference between a mudpuppy and a siren is that, whereas mudpuppies have both front and hind legs, a siren will only have one pair of very small front legs.
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I bet andrew Zimmern would eat them live..Thank you for your post...and nice map.
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We've caught them on Canandaigua in the spring. We call them Hell Benders.
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The Genesee river.
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they love dead minnows.
ive gotten one that was pushing 15 inches :o
SBH,chaut.bear,case all have em.
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I've caught them in 30' of water years ago with my Grandfather in the St. Lawrence River outside the brakewall in Cape Vincent.
hinkydo
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thanks mentiply...kind of know what to look for now...
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They keep well in a tropical fish tank; had one for over a year. Everyone use to love watching it eat worms, they are viscious when they strike! They are common in the Mohawk River System...
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We've caught them on Canandaigua in the spring. We call them Hell Benders.
a mud puppy and hellbender are 2 dirrerant creatures
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Well I'm a Madpuppy and a Hellraiser does that count.
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Hudson river around the troy dam
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a mud puppy and hellbender are 2 dirrerant creatures
yeah the hellbenders get much larger
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yeah the hellbenders get much larger
but both of them are very tasty and more meat on the hellbenders
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Seen tons of them crawling around while scuba diving in Canandaigua Lake
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All right I gotta ask do you really eat them? Your just putting everyone on right?
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All right I gotta ask do you really eat them? Your just putting everyone on right?
they are good . cut head off gut then par boil for a min or 2 peal skin grab stipe and pull all the bones come out then fry in some butter and garlic yum yummm
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I catch um quite frequently at Lock 7. I didn't believe in them until I caught one. They are nasty. I call um water pit bulls !!! They will hiss and chase you. I don't know about eating them tho.. U people who eat them, do u eat Eels too ??? I used to catch alot of Eels at 7 too, but for some reason they have been gone for the last 3 years... Good they suck too !!!
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My friend caught 3 in a row at chatauqua earlier this year all 12" big ugly critters . He slipped them into my perch pucket. sounds like maybe I should have cleaned him and ate him but I couldnt do it
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i caught one on sandy pond last weekend it was the biggest one i have ever seen it must have been at least 16 inches 3 words describe them bullheads with legs lol!
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with a guy that caught one 18 plus on a 4 inch shinner on sandy back about 5 years or so. hit the ice and ran down a hole 20 feet away. only one ive ever seen come out
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oswego river the lake in fulton and tannery creek
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Belmont Lake in Wayne county PA has them-at least the 2 that I have seen-1 on the ice and 1 on the AquaVu-aren't they just so cute >:D
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We got one yesterday on Lake Erie ..
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the first ever ice shanty mud puppy derby!!!!!!!!
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Does anyone one know of Mud Puppies in Seneca Lake?
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That's a little one, saw one on Sandy two years ago, about 12" and FAT.
In Tennessee on the Hiawasee river, we foound one while trout fishing, white as a ghost. We thought that it was dead, but just old. The thing was over 2 feet long, unbelievable!!
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That's a little one, saw one on Sandy two years ago, about 12" and FAT.
In Tennessee on the Hiawasee river, we foound one while trout fishing, white as a ghost. We thought that it was dead, but just old. The thing was over 2 feet long, unbelievable!!
thats a hellbender
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thats a hellbender
Exactly...... ;D
Four legs, flat head, stubby legs, rudder tail, still carrying gills from the larvae stage. Difference is, not limited to, the Hellbender is completely aquatic absorbing oxygen mainly thru it's skin, it's gills are simply slits left over from birth.
The mud puppy, or water dog is what we call them in TN, has protruding gills that are bright red that it uses for it's oxygen gathering.
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Go out on Owasco in June at night. Shine a light so you can see the bottom off any of the points about 8' deep- the bottom will be crawlin' with them- 1 about every 4-5 feet. Must be when they spawn/breed or whatever it is they do.
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i never really learned the differance between a hellbender or mud puppy i think there both about the same thing
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i never really learned the differance between a hellbender or mud puppy i think there both about the same thing
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tasty
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tasty
You eat mudpuppys ??? :sick: :cookoo: :blink: :wacko: :woot:
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Got one in irondequoit bay :o
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tasty
You eat mudpuppys ??? :sick: :cookoo: :blink: :wacko: :woot:
yup
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i never really learned the differance between a hellbender or mud puppy i think there both about the same thing
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Same thing..... if you mean they both look like salamanders, they are not the same though, not even in the species.
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HELLO OWASCO lake trout fishermans worst enemy :laugh:... that or this warm spell
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Caught one in Canandaigua the other day.
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Just pulled one up this morning on a tip-up in 20' that had caught a walleye and a pike in the same hole. Actually it was Dad that pulled it up today. We get numerous pups in the same spot every year on our traps...
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My son catches them in the summer in the stream in our yard. Its spring feed and only 2 ft wide 4 inches deep. By hand or net. His personal best is 10 and 1/2 inches.
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My son catches them in the summer in the stream in our yard. Its spring feed and only 2 ft wide 4 inches deep. By hand or net. His personal best is 10 and 1/2 inches.
Is your son the one with the rabbit snaring video on youtube?
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Yes he is.............. No rabbits so far but he did get a nice gray squirrel. Shortened up the loop and put it on a log going up in a tree....
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Does anyone have a good recipe for mud puppy or Hellbender?
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There are some hilarious accounts of mudpuppies from old scientific literature (late 19th and early 20th century). Below is a quote from a 1921 Dept. of Commerce, Bureau of Fisheries Economic Circular by A.S. Pearse discussing the taste of mudpuppies and preparation for food.
You need to check local regulations on mudpuppies before taking any (since they're a non-game species and subject to protection). There's no open season on salamanders in New York.
"After reading what Wilder (1874) says about the delicious flavor of the mud-puppy, the writer fried some and at once became an enthusiastic devotee of the dish. The meat is of fine quality and very white. It rivals frog legs in flavor and is more desirable because it comes in larger 'packages,' the body muscles of an adult mudpuppy being more bulky than the legs of the largest frogs.
To prepare this animal for the table it should be decapitated, skinned, and eviscerated. The legs are too small to furnish much meat, but the muscular body contains considerable and is free from bones. The animal should be dipped in flour or corn meal and fried until thoroughly cooked. The meat is tough if not well done."
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I see alot of them in the mohawk river as well, up by lock 12...
Oh yeah !~ We get um with worms at Lock 7 they're all over in the Mohawk.. They are nasty lil creatures
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champlain has them mostly the sourthern part
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the allegheny river drainage has them from new york south including laKE ERIE mo
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i ve caught a few in onieda
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Sandy pond is where iv'e got em. Sometimes i think its the same one, keeps biting every other drop haha
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I remember 30 plus years ago when i was a kid catching a little one ... maybe 6 inches or so while turning rocks looking for crayfish on Seneca lake .Surprisingly that's the only one i have ever seen.I have fished all over the state and never caught one or have seen another.
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no salamanders can be kept acording to the new york regulation book as of this year for bait or otherwise they are all protected. i had a mudpuppy for a pet in a fish tank when i was a kid that i got out of south bay .they look alot different underwater and it learned to eat worms from my hand . had it for 2 years before i let it go. hellbenders are alot bigger and are also protected. as far as eating them the only meat is on the tail whitch is about as much as a mc frenchfry i know i've cut up a few that i got that swallowed the hook and died and used them for catfish bait. water dogs are smaller and are juvinile tiger and spotted sal. larval stage they make awsome bait but are now also protected in new york but can be bought through the mail from bait supply companies.
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we have caught them in Chautauqua Lake the last couple of years.
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odly i have never caught one however I work for a company that sell thems. we are a science supply company and due to the new york regulations we get ours from canada but out of erie. they are native to most of the northeast including canada. they can get up to two feet long in fact our last batch the small ones were 18 inches I do have one as a pet as well. the necturus or mud puppy is the largest not the hell bender in this area the only salamander that gets longer is the congo eel in the atchafalaya swamp (mississippi delta) as far as food i have no idea how they taste but i know there biggest natural predators are pike and small mouth bass and when we get our shipments you should see the slashes that some of them come in with you know something big with teeth took a wack. if anyone is interested pm me and I'll let you know when we get more to sell usually in the winter and again mid spring.
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We catch them in the Genesee river.