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IceShanty Main => General Ice Fishing Chit Chat => Topic started by: Timmer on Jan 08, 2024, 02:59 PM
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Hi all,
My wife belongs to a Facebook ice fishing forum and showed me a thread on Si Flies Simcoe Bugs. People were raving about their success with them. I am a sucker for a new wonder lure like anyone else, but holy crap, are they pricey. Anyone using them here? https://simcoebug.com/ (https://simcoebug.com/)
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There is absolutely no reason for these to be so pricey. That is literally a hook, bead, thread, scud back material, and UV resin. You could tie them in 5 minutes too so there isn't a lot of labor involved. If these work then I need to get to the vise.
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I think they have a great marketing team
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There is absolutely no reason for these to be so pricey. That is literally a hook, bead, thread, scud back material, and UV resin. You could tie them in 5 minutes too so there isn't a lot of labor involved. If these work then I need to get to the vise.
Um, scud what? I guess for those us of that don't make our own lures, that answers why they are so pricey!
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Wait till they try these old skool lures.
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They worked for me in clear water further north but haven't got them to work around home in merky water or just different natural bait to compare too?
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There is absolutely no reason for these to be so pricey. That is literally a hook, bead, thread, scud back material, and UV resin. You could tie them in 5 minutes too so there isn't a lot of labor involved. If these work then I need to get to the vise.
Yup. Maybe they could sponsor here with prices like that.
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Um, scud what? I guess for those us of that don't make our own lures, that answers why they are so pricey!
Scud backing material. Essentially a thin narrow strip of latex or other similar material. These jigs are stupid simple to tie and are expensive for not being tungsten (I don’t see it saying otherwise anywhere) although they are hand made in small quantities and not mass produced for extremely cheap. However, a guy could make his own a lot cheaper. Looks to be just a scud hook, an oversized lead bead, latex/silicone strips, and a UV finish. A regular finish would work just fine to save expenses. Get a cheap $20 vise, thread and thread bobbin, and tie to your hearts content. Personally, I’d use tungsten beads. This would actually be a fun beginners project if one wanted to get into tying.
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$10+ for a jig head is absurd. The 5 pack is $65. Ridiculous!
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Kenders akua series is very similar made in with tungsten little cheaper. I do like the some of simcoes colors but ouch and not tungsten
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Their Wonderbread jigs are pricey, but everything else is comparable to what you would get at a store. Looks like they do have some tungsten offerings.
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These jigs are stupid simple to tie and are expensive for not being tungsten (I don’t see it saying otherwise anywhere)
I do like the some of simcoes colors but ouch and not tungsten
It looks like in the title header for each of their products lines it says they are tungsten. Still super expensive nonetheless.
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As I understand it, they started out being used for perch on Simcoe. I made an inquiry so their FB page keeps popping up on mine. I have seen a lot of posts where people are using them for float fishing on the rivers for rainbows and bows, so that is prob their target market for some (most) of the year. My fishing bud swears by them because he caught his PB laker on one. He had a minnow on as well, so who knows? He has also caught a few more smaller lakers. My inquiry was asking about what they are supossed to be imitating because I was thinking of using it on open water. I didn't get a response!! So that was a turnoff!
I have an acquaintance who makes and sells a similar product( a 1 man operation). I think they are cheaper.
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There is absolutely no reason for these to be so pricey. That is literally a hook, bead, thread, scud back material, and UV resin. You could tie them in 5 minutes too so there isn't a lot of labor involved. If these work then I need to get to the vise.
100%. For $30 someone could get hooks, beads, thread and latex and crank out 25 of those lil things, no problem. Guess I'll add that to my tying list! ;D
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i just looked them up, look good, wont pay that price :-\
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Yup. Maybe they could sponsor here with prices like that.
I might have to get to the vise and give them some competition.
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There is absolutely no reason for these to be so pricey. That is literally a hook, bead, thread, scud back material, and UV resin. You could tie them in 5 minutes too so there isn't a lot of labor involved. If these work then I need to get to the vise.
Get to the vise, easy to make and if your get the right material (bracelet) for the body, you can get em to glow!
SUPER EASY TO TIE UP!!!
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you guys make them , tell us, so we can buy from you guys ;D ;D
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I reckon a guy could simply buy scuds from fly shops for significantly cheaper. Many, however, are tied for streams so they won't be as heavy. A drop-shot rig with a scud could be killer. Also, for those who are unaware, a scud is a type of freshwater shrimp and are prevalent in tail-waters below dams.
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I reckon a guy could simply buy scuds from fly shops for significantly cheaper. Many, however, are tied for streams so they won't be as heavy. A drop-shot rig with a scud could be killer. Also, for those who are unaware, a scud is a type of freshwater shrimp and are prevalent in tail-waters below dams.
Shoot we must have all the aristocrats here, anything in a "Fly Shop" round here costs WAAAAY more.
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If I make them I'll need to charge $9 so I can cover the ones I give away to Facebook influencers so they'll make a Facebook post so that I can sell more ;D If I get enough "prostaff" maybe someone will be able to make a thread about my flys ;D
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Shoot we must have all the aristocrats here, anything in a "Fly Shop" round here costs WAAAAY more
No doubt, certain things like streamers are way overpriced. But simpler patterns tend to be more affordable. Grizzly Hackle in Missoula, for instance, sells a six pack of scuds for $18...$3 a fly is still cheaper than the jigs we're discussing. And I'm faaaar from an aristocrat, unless teachers suddenly jumped to the top of the socio-economic ladder :roflmao:
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I might have to get to the vise and give them some competition.
Ill buy some or come over burn one and tie 4000 of them.
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If you have the time, material, and simple tools, you can tie them cheaper. If you want to jump on the bandwagon and buy they can ask a price and if you want to buy do so. I am a fly tyer and I buy very few if any baits. The demand will decide the price and it may go up or down.
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This is just a quick fly and it is hard to show the ribbing since I used 2mm rib material. Just stating that the person tying or company is not subject to what you need just what you want and are prepared to pay for it. I do my own since I am looking into a hobby for myself and what I can do, what I can build and what I can catch. If I add up what is invested into my hobby and or passion $10.00 a bug is not all that bad. Just my 2cents since I know that my hobby cost me more than I could hope to save.
I think they have a great marketing team
This I do agree with.
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If you have the time, material, and simple tools, you can tie them cheaper. If you want to jump on the bandwagon and buy they can ask a price and if you want to buy do so. I am a fly tyer and I buy very few if any baits. The demand will decide the price and it may go up or down.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mfk20JTd/IMG-2429-896.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mfk20JTd)
This is just a quick fly and it is hard to show the ribbing since I used 2mm rib material. Just stating that the person tying or company is not subject to what you need just what you want and are prepared to pay for it. I do my own since I am looking into a hobby for myself and what I can do, what I can build and what I can catch. If I add up what is invested into my hobby and or passion $10.00 a bug is not all that bad. Just my 2cents since I know that my hobby cost me more than I could hope to save.
This I do agree with.
Resin looks good! Such a clean look why type do you use?
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So what does everybody catch on those bugs?
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No one will even remember the name a year from now!
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$10+ for a jig head is absurd. The 5 pack is $65. Ridiculous!
I make my own for a lot cheaper scud is what they call them in fly tieing world look them up on you tube 10.00 is way to much I'm in the wrong business I can make 30 for ten bucks and they would have tungsten beads. You guys must have money to give away.
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No one will even remember the name a year from now!
So true.
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So what does everybody catch on those bugs?
Fisherman :tipup:
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Fisherman :tipup:
This is so very true, quite often while looking at baits and I see others trying to decide I have commented "it has to catch the fisher before it can catch the fish" we usually laugh and hang the bait back up.
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Resin looks good! Such a clean look why type do you use?
Light Cure UV Resin by Signature Crafts bought at Michael’s here in Ontario. High gloss.
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The whole Fly is tied on a 12 (1xShort Scud hook)2 mm scud back black for wrap and a 3.2 mil or 1/8 inch tungsten bead
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Dang, never knew Michael’s carried that stuff. When this stuff first came it it was so expensive I never bothered with it. Thanks for the insight.
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Light Cure UV Resin by Signature Crafts bought at Michael’s here in Ontario. High gloss.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TLy12Dm7/IMG-2432.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLy12Dm7)
The whole Fly is tied on a 12 (1xShort Scud hook)2 mm scud back black for wrap and a 3.2 mil or 1/8 inch tungsten bead
(https://i.postimg.cc/kVsYMV9b/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kVsYMV9b)
What sort of success have you had with these here in Ont? People seem to be catching lakers on them as well as perch? thx
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Dang, never knew Michael’s carried that stuff. When this stuff first came it it was so expensive I never bothered with it. Thanks for the insight.
Pannier’s for sure never tried for laker’s. Cost is average of 1/3 the cost of Loon, Gulff and others aligned with that of bait makers supply.
Have been using it for 2 years now and it works. What sort of success have you had with these here in Ont? People seem to be catching lakers on them as well as perch? thx
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Gold Bug-Shot Larry approves. Expensive is right. But maybe worth trying to make.
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Gold Bug-Shot Larry approves. Expensive is right. But maybe worth trying to make.
I've been trying to figure out what they are using for the fly body on those bug-shots. The body without the hook and the ring on the end. Anybody have ideas?
Almost wonder if they are cutting the hook end off and tying in a piece of steel leader loop for the ring.
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I've been trying to figure out what they are using for the fly body on those bug-shots. The body without the hook and the ring on the end. Anybody have ideas?
Almost wonder if they are cutting the hook end off and tying in a piece of steel leader loop for the ring.
Steel leader or spinner wire folded in half and lashed on to the cut hook is my bet; wouldn't be too hard to do. Slap some zap a gap on it and it'll hold.
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Close enough for me, 1/4 of an elastic band, two beads. Mine is a number two hook not a number one and a little bit of thread. top with UV resin not Sally Hansen, Sally Hansen eats the elastic band.
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Pannier’s for sure never tried for laker’s. Cost is average of 1/3 the cost of Loon, Gulff and others aligned with that of bait makers supply.
by panniers do you mean pan fish? Do you fish Simcoe or elswhere for perch then? We go to Muskoka for lakers, usually small.
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Yes, panfish, Simcoe, Pigeon, Moira, Bay of Quinte
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I am a sucker for a new wonder lure like anyone else, but holy crap, are they pricey.
Like others have said, you can easily tie up your own if you like them.
Tungsten beads, scud hooks, thread or 0.1mm mono thread, kiley's nymph skin (or similar), UV resin.
I would guess materials cost is ~$1/scud? Something in that range?
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nymph skin ...check!
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nymph skin ...check!
Can cut strips of a freezer plastic bag and color them with nail polish or even a sharpie if you don't have nymph skin or scud back material.
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cool! RGR that. Ya I imagine pretty much anything will suffice now that I think about it.
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I've been trying to figure out what they are using for the fly body on those bug-shots.
I could be very wrong, but I bet you could make a body along those lines using one of the following. You might have to build up the underbody with thread to get the right proportions when using the chironomid braid, as it stretches and flattens when tying. The V-Rib material has less stretch, however.
https://thetroutspot.com/collections/body-material-rubber-legs/products/chironomid_braid
https://www.jsflyfishing.com/products/vinyl-rib
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Hey guys---if you have a vise and a bobbin I guess that's easy, but for those of us that don't----and have stubby fingers to boot----maybe not so much.
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I could be very wrong, but I bet you could make a body along those lines using one of the following. You might have to build up the underbody with thread to get the right proportions when using the chironomid braid, as it stretches and flattens when tying. The V-Rib material has less stretch, however.
https://thetroutspot.com/collections/body-material-rubber-legs/products/chironomid_braid
https://www.jsflyfishing.com/products/vinyl-rib
Sorry I was mostly wondering about the hook body and not the body material and how they were attaching the ring. I think I got it figured out after looking at different pictures (don't have any on-hand) - they are just cutting the hooks off and tying in a piece of steel leader to loop in the ring.
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they are just cutting the hooks off and tying in a piece of steel leader to loop in the ring.
Gotcha, my apologies for misunderstanding. But I bet you're right. I would superglue the heck out of that connection though.
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https://www.mustachejigsandflies.com/
Check out his YouTube video.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OaeEy-YrFwg
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Much better prices!! :thumbsup: :bow:
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Thanks for the link G Fish. That's a brilliant and easy to tie setup.
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I purchased an assortment of scuds from The Fly Shack in Gloversville NY They have an online sales and huge inventory with reasonable prices. I've been using them to fly fish for Gills but will try stacking a couple above a tungsten jig if we ever get ice.
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Here are a few I made. I have never tied before this week...work in progress
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Few more... still experimenting with materials and techniques
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Those are darned good looking!! I hope they catch you a bunch of fish!! Hell of a job for just starting out!!! :thumbsup: :clap: :flex: :bow: :icefish:
OS
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Ordered some from MUSTACHE JIGS Good price quality looking jig.
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Meh, nothing special about them. I've found that many other ice flies work much better. This type of deal was what I started out making before I had any skill ;D