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Deal Ninja

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Going way back, I have used Kerosun heaters, then purchased 1 lb. propane tanks with lanterns & Mr. Heaters, then bulk propane tanks and hoses with Mr. Heaters.  Each of these fuel/heating systems has distinct disadvantages; either smelly, dirty and heavy, or expensive and wasteful (disposable propane tanks) or heavy and cumbersome with bulk tanks and hoses.  This solution won't be for everyone given the upfront cost, but I think over time for convenience, cost and ease of use, it will easily pay for itself.  I have 6 of the refillable bottles and 2 Portable Buddy heaters (one for each shack I own).  At today's propane prices, I can refill a 1 lb. tank for 58 cents which will last about 6 hours at the 4000 BTU or low setting on the Portable Mr. Buddies.  Because of the price I got it for, if I ever want to sell the forklift tank, I should be able to get at least what I paid for it.
Sorry about the pic's background.  The tank is sitting in my office at work. :whistle:



Costs:
1 33.5 Lb. Aluminum forklift tank - $145
1 Forklift Tank Refill Adapter from Flame King - $31.50
6 Refillable Tanks from Flame King - $9.97 - $13.00 each

Total Cost was about $250.00, so it will take me awhile to recoup my investment, but I was so tired of the weight and refilling of bulk tanks and the hoses.  I'm not getting any younger and anything I can do to cut the weight of my dragging load and increase convenience is worth a premium to me.

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just curious why the fork truck propane truck? are there any advantages to that tank over a regular bbq grill tank besides the gauge to tell how full the tank is? You now have me thinking about buying a Flame king refill kit. Are there any filters you can buy to prevent ruining my mr buddy heater with dirty propane? Am i just as likely to get dirty propane using the 1# disposable propane tanks that I have been using?

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just curious why the fork truck propane truck? are there any advantages to that tank over a regular bbq grill tank besides the gauge to tell how full the tank is?

There are multiple advantages for a forklift tank for me.
1.)  I have a propane company that services my business' propane tanks.  They will refill my personal tank whenever needed.  It's very convenient for me as I don't have to lift it or carry it anywhere.
2.)  A 33.5 lb. forklift tank is liquid draw vs. vapor draw for 20 lb. (and smaller) tanks so there is no need to turn the propane tank upside down to fill the 1 lb. tanks.   
3.) The aluminum tank has an almost infinite useful life since it won't rust and resale value is very good.
4.) The amount of fuel in a 33 lb. tank will last me a long, long time and will be very easy to access and use.
5.) I have a chronic hip condition that makes it painful to lift and carry heavy things.  Lifting and flipping a full 20 lb. tank every time I needed a refill was not in the cards.

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Are there any filters you can buy to prevent ruining my Mr. buddy heater with dirty propane? Am i just as likely to get dirty propane using the 1# disposable propane tanks that I have been using?

The only reason/time filters are needed is when you're connecting the heater to a tank with a hose that contains petroleum based plasticizers for hose flexibility in cold conditions.  Over time the oils leach into the line itself and clog the orifices in the heater.  A filter is not needed for any other direct connect use.  Propane is not dirty.  The "dirt" comes from the old style hoses.  Mr. Heater markets hoses today that are plasticizer free and require no filters.  See Mr. Heater Hose #273704.  I will be selling two of these in the for sale section shortly.

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You now have me thinking about buying a Flame king refill kit.

I will be selling the "Kit" that I owned before I got the forklift tank and adapter.  It will have the tank stand and 20 lb. tank refill adapter.  The refillable tanks are a little scarce since Flame King announced the recall.   http://www.flameking.com/recall  My tanks are not part of the recall.  I have inspected all of mine and they were manufactured after the affected tanks.  The tanks should be more readily available after Flame King has worked through the refund/replace process with affected owners.  Let me know if you're interested by PM.  I will list in the for sale section if you're not.  The 20 lb. tank adapter is on the left, the forklift tank adapter is on the right.



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tbern

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Do you have to have your supply tank certified and if so how many years is it good for? Using your system, how full are you able to get your canisters? Do you need to freeze them to assist in getting to fill them?

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Do you have to have your supply tank certified and if so how many years is it good for?
Yes, the original manufacture certification is good for 10 years on the forklift tank and 12 years on the refillables.

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Using your system, how full are you able to get your canisters?
Completely full to 1 lb.  The Flame King refillable tanks have a bleeder allen screw on the neck valve of the tank that you crack open slightly when filling to release air pressure and when liquid propane starts to spritz out, you're full.  You close the bleeder valve screw, release the fill lever and close the outflow valve on your supply tank.  When you unscrew the tank from the adapter, there will be a small blast of propane gas that was in the refill adapter tube.  You want to be wearing gloves when it happens.  It's a little nippy.

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Do you need to freeze them to assist in getting to fill them?
Nope.  Because of the bleeder valve screw and true liquid draw, there is no resistance (air pressure) for the liquid propane leaving the supply tank and entering the refill tank.  Both tanks can be hot or both cold.  Makes no difference.

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tbern

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Thanks for the info

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Thanks Deal Ninja I figured you had good reason.

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Do you need to freeze them to assist in getting to fill them?
Nope.  Because of the bleeder valve screw and true liquid draw, there is no resistance (air pressure) for the propane leaving the supply tank and entering the refill tank.  Both tanks can be hot or both cold.  Makes no difference.

will I have to freeze my tanks since i wont be filling with a true liquid draw out of my 20# tank?

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will I have to freeze my tanks since i wont be filling with a true liquid draw out of my 20# tank?

No.  The tanks will fill just fine for the most part.  They might not get quite as full when your supply tank is getting low or if it's very cold.  I never had a problem though.

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