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Pennsylvania => Ice Fishing Pennsylvania => Topic started by: Longgunner2002 on Dec 29, 2017, 09:12 AM
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never knew why Pa is so against using powered transportation on the Ice I have fished Mi. and Ny. with our atv? why are we in the dark ages
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Have wondered that for a long time.
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i think its contaminates gas,oil, antifreeze they want to keep at a minimum.
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our ice across the state usually isn't safe enough for wheelers and snowmobiles. they go through the ice all the time up new York. northern pa would probably be good.
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They could put a minimum ice thickness like 6" or maybe from Rt 80 and north, and large fines if you don't follow the law (Pa. likes big fines ) but I don't see this coming anytime soon?????
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Sounds like big dreams there deer george.
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the fish commission would agree to large fines but no wheelers or snowmobiles. up new York it is really neat seeing all those guys heading out on wheelers instead of walking. especially on a long walk. i'd love to be able to use a wheeler on sayers. you could hit a bunch of good spots far apart in one day.
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Because Pennsylvania likes bad laws - and Pennsylvanians are too proud to admit that they are bad laws. It's the same with having to wear licenses on your jacket. Or not being able to carry an expired license on your person. Or needing an FBI background check to volunteer at your church youth group. I could go on >:(
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They could put a minimum ice thickness like 6" or maybe from Rt 80 and north, and large fines if you don't follow the law (Pa. likes big fines ) but I don't see this coming anytime soon?????
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That's another bad law ,having to ware your licence on the outside. You go out and spend a few hundred bucks on a good garment and they want you to put a hole in it , WHO makes these laws anyway???
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Only place is Presque isle from the town side,you can't get within 500" feet of the park side.
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I think this is a very good rule in PA. New York and Wisconsin have much colder and longer ice seasons than PA (in general) and make enough ice to support motorized vehicles for extended periods of time. Lakes in the northern part of Pennsylvania and the Pocono region may be OK but the rest of the state doesn't get enough ice to support the weight of an ATV or snowmobile for any meaningful amount of time. I'd venture to guess that most of the lakes in PA see no more than 8 inches of ice during a good year in the winter months and that ice rarely lasts more than a few weeks (if at all). If PA allowed ATVs and snow machines on the ice, they'd almost certainly be pulling vehicles and bodies from our waterways far too often.
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it only takes a few knuckleheads to ruin it for everyone
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Yea and then every idiot with a four wheeler will go and buy a fishing license and a pole just to have a new place to do donuts! (I’m thinking like a twenty year old here) I’m for it but only for the disabled and elderly when Ice is thick enough.
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Buy a couple of Huskies and hitch them up ... you can feed them your 3 deer(or go to SRA and shoot 10)... ;D
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... Or needing an FBI background check to volunteer at your church youth group. I could go on >:(
Sorry .. I don't see this as being a bad law. Proper criminal records checks for anyone volunteering or providing services in a vulnerable sector should be required to withstand a rigorous background check. The same is true in Canada. It may not be popular but it protects our youth and our elders.
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I think this is a very good rule in PA. New York and Wisconsin have much colder and longer ice seasons than PA (in general) and make enough ice to support motorized vehicles for extended periods of time. Lakes in the northern part of Pennsylvania and the Pocono region may be OK but the rest of the state doesn't get enough ice to support the weight of an ATV or snowmobile for any meaningful amount of time. I'd venture to guess that most of the lakes in PA see no more than 8 inches of ice during a good year in the winter months and that ice rarely lasts more than a few weeks (if at all). If PA allowed ATVs and snow machines on the ice, they'd almost certainly be pulling vehicles and bodies from our waterways far too often.
Agree,the last thing I want when Im on the ice-a pack of idiots racing their sleds down the lake! Most lakes here are not really that big and the ones that are [Army Corp lakes] seldom freeze evenly enough to be safe for machines.
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There was a guy on Pymatuning back in the early 80's who use to use a flat bottom boat that he attached a air boat fan to it. It wasn't fast only 10 hp motor. It was noisey as all get out. He did get stopped a couple of times for running it on the lake but he had the boat registered and the motor was a 10. There was nothing they could do about it. He even made sure to have a life jacket on board. Wasn't very fast but when the snow was the powder typ you could a big white cloud coming down the lake.
A nice 14 foot flat bottom with a 20 hp motor should get you down the lake and you wouldn't have to worry about bad ice.
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That would have been a sight to see ! A frien :tipup: :tipup:d of mine always wanted to try using a 10hp lawn tractor to pull his shed out onto the ice because if would be within the hp ratings ! Lol :) I've seen people run ice sleds on Pyme years ago . Kind of liked like a catamaran . They were really moving too !
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You're allowed atv's on Conneaut, Canadohta and Presque Isle Bay.... Unless something has changed in the past few years.
I fished Timberland baits ice fishing derby about 3 years ago on Conneaut and we actually got pizza delivered to us on a side by side atv. Talk about service @) @) @)
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I drove to my spot in NY ON 38 ins of ice 3 years ago....they had races on the lake with trucks...up in the adarondaks
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You are not legally bound to wear your fishing license on a outer garment in Pa. You can carry it in your wallet or even have it on a app. I work as a licensed guide and called HBg about it 2 years ago. A client had it on his cell phone and yes it was legal. Also I agree with no motorized vehicles on Pa fish and boat lakes. Many years ago it was permitted or perhaps just not enforced and it was a zoo. However some of the larger lakes could possible be a exception made. Sometimes it is bad enough when a half dozen guys start there power augers up and decide to drill 20 plus holes with in 100 yrds of you. Not complaining but a little common sense goes a long way.
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You are not legally bound to wear your fishing license on a outer garment in Pa. You can carry it in your wallet or even have it on a app. I work as a licensed guide and called HBg about it 2 years ago. A client had it on his cell phone and yes it was legal. Also I agree with no motorized vehicles on Pa fish and boat lakes. Many years ago it was permitted or perhaps just not enforced and it was a zoo. However some of the larger lakes could possible be a exception made. Sometimes it is bad enough when a half dozen guys start there power augers up and decide to drill 20 plus holes with in 100 yrds of you. Not complaining but a little common sense goes a long way.
Pa is behind in everything. Still no Sunday hunting. The below is copied from the fish commish site regarding license display. Its a shame with 2018 days away and all the tech we use you still need to poke a hole in your clothes.
2018 FISHING LICENSES
Annual licenses are valid from December 1, 2017, through December 31, 2018. WHILE FISHING, your license must be signed in ink and must be displayed on an outer garment. In addition, anglers must be prepared to furnish positive proof of identification.
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Having your license displayed saves the PFBC employee from having to check every person they see ! Of course he can still check you even with your license displayed but 9 out of 10 times he won't unless he sees a violation occur.
We no longer have to display our hunting licenses in Pa. which in my opinion was a STUPID move by the PGC as now they have to check everybody !
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Yes Pa Bass that is what it says. But the Pa fish and boat permits you to have a phone app. So call HBG and ask them how to display the app. They continue to print it but that is not true. Please call Hbg and ask for law enforcement and be direct. Question should be can I have a app. on my phone and do I need to have it exposed on my outer garment to be legal in Pa. Also it has been at least 10 years that they discontinued the law of if it is not displayed you are fined on the spot. It was changed and you have x amount of days to show proof of having you valid Pa fishing license. I read the full regulation law book every year. As a licensed guide I can not afford to make a mistake. There are many things that are written such as you can only tie your horse up at certain places in town and so on. That does not mean it holds water.
Trappers have the same problem of setting body gripper traps in a water course. so what is a water course? These are only a few examples of why we need to call the top dogs and verify what is the law and not what we think or what we read.
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Around 5:15 in this video, the head of the Fish and Boat testifies license display is no longer required. It is "for the convenience of the angler."
https://www.facebook.com/reppeifer/videos/1687659368199205/
I always display, out of habit, but I don't worry anymore if my license get's covered by a life jacket or some other piece of clothing. I wish I had the exact copy of the law saying display isn't required, but I've never found it.
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Around 5:15 in this video, the head of the Fish and Boat testifies license display is no longer required. It is "for the convenience of the angler."
https://www.facebook.com/reppeifer/videos/1687659368199205/
I always display, out of habit, but I don't worry anymore if my license get's covered by a life jacket or some other piece of clothing. I wish I had the exact copy of the law saying display isn't required, but I've never found it.
Nice find! Good to have. I agree I still display. While it might be "ok" to not there are still a few COs that may give you a hassle because its written in the regs book about displaying it. If its really a convenience of the angler why dont they just make the change.
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This is how you do it LOL.
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I'm generally fine with this law because I think it would create more harm than good if it were allowed. Possible exceptions would be for special permits/handicapped but a slippery slope there too.
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It's just pa with their head up their ass.it doesn't matter were the hell your at in the country.i have never read anything about ice fishing that said anything about location as far as what you need to stand on or take a atv on or a truck.its all about the thickness.we had over 2 ft of ice here a few years ago that will support any truck.it only takes 5-6" for a atv.noooooo we don't get that here.people here just put up with the crap.one off the higher taxed states and always out of money,it's funny.
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Nice find! Good to have. I agree I still display. While it might be "ok" to not there are still a few COs that may give you a hassle because its written in the regs book about displaying it. If its really a convenience of the angler why dont they just make the change.
It's States right on your license must be displayed on outer garment but I don't know about the phone app when I was in issuing agent just a year ago
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I think you're allowed on Lake Wallenpaupack with snowmobiles
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I think you're allowed on Lake Wallenpaupack with snowmobiles
Not out of the state launch. Private land or one of the Brookfield launches. I know several guys that put them on at Cafferys or Ledgedale.
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It's States right on your license must be displayed on outer garment but I don't know about the phone app when I was in issuing agent just a year ago
I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU have to have your licence displayed while fishing. I was fishing the susqy at red hill and the fish warden stopped me for not having a licence displayed. No fine, but a warning. The next warden might let u go, or he might not fine u if u have a pic of your lisence on your phone, but to be legal you have to display it. I think it's a dumb law, but that's the way it is.
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not against the law to use motor vehicles on the ice in pa just in state parks and lakes.
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Yes Pa Bass that is what it says. But the Pa fish and boat permits you to have a phone app. So call HBG and ask them how to display the app. They continue to print it but that is not true. Please call Hbg and ask for law enforcement and be direct. Question should be can I have a app. on my phone and do I need to have it exposed on my outer garment to be legal in Pa. Also it has been at least 10 years that they discontinued the law of if it is not displayed you are fined on the spot. It was changed and you have x amount of days to show proof of having you valid Pa fishing license. I read the full regulation law book every year. As a licensed guide I can not afford to make a mistake. There are many things that are written such as you can only tie your horse up at certain places in town and so on. That does not mean it holds water.
Trappers have the same problem of setting body gripper traps in a water course. so what is a water course? These are only a few examples of why we need to call the top dogs and verify what is the law and not what we think or what we read.
Here is the response I got today from the PFBC.
Hello Len, Thank you for contacting the PA Fish & Boat Commission. Currently, PA law requires the fishing license to physically be displayed on an outer garment. There is a PROPOSED regulation to have this altered so that display on mobile devices can meet the requirement; however, this is under review at this time. You can read about the details of what this regulation would look like on the website. It is under Regulations>Proposed Rulemakings> #276
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I never were mine I Cary it in my wallet so I always have it.everytime I'm checked I get a lecture by fish and game that they could fine me for not having it out visible but don't.dont know if they are all lying
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I think this is a very good rule in PA. New York and Wisconsin have much colder and longer ice seasons than PA (in general) and make enough ice to support motorized vehicles for extended periods of time. Lakes in the northern part of Pennsylvania and the Pocono region may be OK but the rest of the state doesn't get enough ice to support the weight of an ATV or snowmobile for any meaningful amount of time. I'd venture to guess that most of the lakes in PA see no more than 8 inches of ice during a good year in the winter months and that ice rarely lasts more than a few weeks (if at all). If PA allowed ATVs and snow machines on the ice, they'd almost certainly be pulling vehicles and bodies from our waterways far too often.
it only takes a few knuckleheads to ruin it for everyone
I may be new to ice fishing but I am not new to this state or human behavior and these right here are your answers.
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Just some free legal advice for everyone here: the government, including the Fish & Boat Commission, is NOT bound by opinions given on request. If they tell you it's legal, and it turns out they were wrong, they can and will still cite you. Conversely, if something is not outlawed by statue, regulation, or judicial decisions, it doesn't matter how many COs get mad - it is NOT illegal. The person to ask if X activity is legal isn't the Commission - it's your lawyer.
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Read the front of your license...it clearly says must be displayed on outer garment...mic drop
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I would feel pretty stupid going to a lawyer and asking them if I have to wear my fishing liscence were it can be seen.bit I'm sure they would get a good laugh, And charge me $500
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As stated call Pa fish and boat in Harrisburg and ask how to display you phone app. Also it was about 10 years ago that they gave us a few days to show proof if you do not have it on you. You can think what you want and it can state whatever. These are the facts that I have found, I guess no one has called the top dog in Law enforcement and asked. If you do I am sure some of your post will change! I have got this answer from district ( Retired officer Keller) 2 years ago as well.
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As stated call Pa fish and boat in Harrisburg and ask how to display you phone app. Also it was about 10 years ago that they gave us a few days to show proof if you do not have it on you. You can think what you want and it can state whatever. These are the facts that I have found, I guess no one has called the top dog in Law enforcement and asked. If you do I am sure some of your post will change! I have got this answer from district ( Retired officer Keller) 2 years ago as well.
The resopnse I posted IS right from the fish commission. I doubt if somebody...anybodys word over the phone would be much of a defense. I always prefer a response in writing. Thats why I went that direction.
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Like I said, nothing they say - online, in writing, or on the phone - is a defense. Even if everyone at the Commission says they won't cite you, they can change their mind anytime without notice. That's basic prosecutorial discretion. The only way to make it legal is to rewrite the reg.
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??? REALLY? This license rant is still going on. You are torqued because you have to display? You have to poke a hole in your fancy ice outfit? Do you wear a knit hat? You do know you are required to be able to produce ID proving residency and that you are the person named on the license? Maybe you would prefer to have your fishing interrupted while you dig out your license and ID. Then you would whine about the Gestapo tactics! All the crap going on you got nothing better to do? Rain coming this week, how is the bite? :tipup:
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yawn, just fish man....
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Not out of the state launch. Private land or one of the Brookfield launches. I know several guys that put them on at Cafferys or Ledgedale.
Back OT... If this is more the case it's probably a possible liability issue.
"You allowed me out from your launch and I put it through you should have posted warnings." I can see it happening. That's why if you go off private property it's OK. At your own risk.
We have similar rules in some places depending who has control of the landing. Madison metro lakes can have sled or ATVs, not road vehicles. Legal ice machines MUST have county inspected and approved flotation or a ticket ensues. Dropping a vehicle into a lake is never an easy proposition to recover. State seems to be OK with ice travel so maybe they have their liability covered somewhere. It's mostly the counties or townships that restrict.
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??? REALLY? This license rant is still going on. You are torqued because you have to display? You have to poke a hole in your fancy ice outfit? Do you wear a knit hat? You do know you are required to be able to produce ID proving residency and that you are the person named on the license? Maybe you would prefer to have your fishing interrupted while you dig out your license and ID. Then you would whine about the Gestapo tactics! All the crap going on you got nothing better to do? Rain coming this week, how is the bite? :tipup:
Yes Pennsylvania is way behind.i have hunted and fished many states.none that i have been to require display.i have never been checked in other states near as much as this state.pa commision,game and fish are pricks.they assume almost everyone is a outlaw.my .02$ like it or not.
No atv or sled needed to fish,and i own both.fish close or get in shape.We have many great fishing spots close .
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I still display my hunting license on my fanny pac and my fishing license on my hat. No big deal. ::)
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New York fishing is just simply better in all ways, sorry to say. I have to buy my NY license every year but I get my use of it and more fun.
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lol does anyone check the laws before they post. I personally know a PFBC warden and some of you guys are wrong in pa laws, not stating names but if your taking the time to post bad info maybe you should take the time to find the correct answer. I see a few things in this thread that are not correct.
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enlighten???
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if i do that three or four people on this thread are going to be upset and give me crap.
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I still display my hunting license on my fanny pac and my fishing license on my hat. No big deal. ::)
This post explains a lot about why the laws here don't change. Those of us who grew up in other states DO think it's a big deal. Maybe if PA had more net immigration from other states the laws would change faster.
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Well, I have to agree with you that things don't change fast in PA.................... ...................... ...................... ...But you must not be in PA long if you think this law should be a high priority! ;)
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Well, I have to agree with you that things don't change fast in PA.................... ...................... ...................... ...But you must not be in PA long if you think this law should be a high priority! ;)
Fair point!
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We can now use 3 rods(open water) and 1 of them can have an Alabama Rig on .... How much change you think we can handle ..... ;D
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Yeah, Its been so cold in Pa the politicians have their hands in their own pockets. :tipup:
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man you would think this topic would still be going on during a winter like last not a winter like this where there is safe ice just about on every water body in the state. get out and fish guys
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I believe it is because we usually do not have thick enough ice to run an atv on it. Also there are a lot of idiots out there and cause issues for everyone following the rules. I would really love to see them open it up to drive the atv's on ice and state ground. I would even pay alittle more to do this.
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We have enough ice most places now I was on 7" of clear.and everybody has idiots in their state .people here just put up with allot more crap here than in other states .you can make change by getting together they won't listen VOTE them out.but hey when you vote the same senator in for like 40yrs you obviously drink the coolaid .
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This post explains a lot about why the laws here don't change. Those of us who grew up in other states DO think it's a big deal. Maybe if PA had more net immigration from other states the laws would change faster.
Please no. PA is a good pro-2nd amendment state but already. Too many idiots from NY and Jersey moving in are trying to change that, we don't need more. I will gladly display my license if it keeps moon bats out of this state.
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Because Pennsylvania likes bad laws - and Pennsylvanians are too proud to admit that they are bad laws. It's the same with having to wear licenses on your jacket. Or not being able to carry an expired license on your person. Or needing an FBI background check to volunteer at your church youth group. I could go on >:(
Didn't know you couldn't take them out. Glad I read this post.
Don't forget the alcohol laws too. I'd still like to know why I can't buy my beer and bourbon in every grocery at the same check out line as my milk and eggs. Seems like PA likes to make things difficult...
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Because it’s PA and we love our stupid rules about fish and game because change is bad!
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@ King: Those Ice Boats are the only sail powered machine that can go faster than the wind. When I was a kid we used to see them when we were hard watering @ Glendale. Dad wanted to build one, We even had the plans. But, like mice & men; "The best laid plans..."
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It's States right on your license must be displayed on outer garment but I don't know about the phone app when I was in issuing agent just a year ago
I have put my licence in my wallet after the first year they started printing them on the yellow heat print because the first year I had them I had it displayed the front page of my licence turned black from being in the sun and we the officer checked my licence was not happy that the way it looked he couldn't read it he told me to keep it somewhere else. Been in my wallet ever since and Beed checked plenty of times and no one has said anything about it being displayed.
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Maybe you wouldn't get checked so much if you displayed your license ::)
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Please no. PA is a good pro-2nd amendment state but already. Too many idiots from NY and Jersey moving in are trying to change that, we don't need more. I will gladly display my license if it keeps moon bats out of this state.
....id*ts from ny glad to know im an idiot from ny... At least im not a whiner from pa..sheesh
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....id*ts from ny glad to know im an idiot from ny... At least im not a whiner from pa..sheesh
Wow a little sensitive are we here? I didn't call all NY and NY residents idiots but certainly a high percentage of them are and they come to our state and try to change our laws when we have no where near the problems they have.
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I didn't call all NY and NY residents idiots but certainly a high percentage of them are
Out of curiosity, what percentage of NY residents are "idiots"?
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Glad to hear I was not alone, my licence turned almost completely black as well.
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Out of curiosity, what percentage of NY residents are "idiots"?
That is easy.....the NY residents that voted for Clinton are idiots, the others are not idiots. So, you have 59.01% idiots in NY.
Now, PA has 47.5% idiots, so we are not far behind NY. In fact, I think by next year the idiot to non-idiot percentages will be fairly even.
I am not saying those who voted Trump are not idiots as well, just not as big of idiots. That could be a whole different percentage. I am giving PA some additional idiot credits for the 2.4% Johnson vote though. I expected NY to have some Johnson effect, but PA would have been better to vote for Snoopy (or Scooby-Doo).
My tally, NY is 60% idiots, and PA is touching a tick of 50%.
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I hear NY calling you
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I hear NY calling you
Perfect Mo, good idea........this will help NY lower their population of idiots. We will begin to balance things out. Now we just need to move someone else out of PA...you ever think about living in California ? They are already at about 99% idiots.....you might help push them over the top.
You dudes are way too serious.
The laws pertain to ATV's and such in PA are not going to change. There isn't enough enforcement officers to police all the dumb crap people will be doing. Drive over to Port Clinton and watch those guys.....talk about some idiots. The bad 10% will always ruin it for the good 90%.
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A friend and I were fishing on the Pack a couple of years ago. Not that many fishing that day but there were several cowboys racing their snow machines back and forth on the lake. It didn't take long before one of them ran over two of my buddy's tip ups. A real jerk and I haven't liked machines on the ice since.
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Yep I was born in Anaheim California ASSBACK with all the other idiots and now I'm a Pa ice fisherman and I guess I just don't run into nowhere as many idiot Pennsylvanians as you have.
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Oh Mo.. Say it ain't so. ;D
I run into a few here.....and PA isn't my home ground. We are both transplants. I come from a mostly non-ice fishing pace....Indiana and Ohio. Wasn't until recent years that guys got into it. Probably from watching PA idiots walk on ice. lol. If I could go back to childhood I would certainly tame that ice Grandma told me to stay off of. I loved the early 80's in Ohio....but not much in the way of ice fishing.
I was just jokin' around Mo. I am the biggest idiot I know. TRUST ME ;D ;D ;D
BTW, I choose NY to be my vacation every year I can.....trolling Ontario. With the ice cover now, I have to troll here !
I am like everyone else....just sitting at home after work dreaming of the ice. If I get a chance to be sarcastic, or a smarta**...I take the opportunity. I very much meant no offence...I am chuckling, but I really didn't mean any offence. I assumed you were from Nebraska the way you talk......
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A friend and I were fishing on the Pack a couple of years ago. Not that many fishing that day but there were several cowboys racing their snow machines back and forth on the lake. It didn't take long before one of them ran over two of my buddy's tip ups. A real jerk and I haven't liked machines on the ice since.
I have no issues with snow machines, but you are right....they can get a bit overwhelming. I am old-school....and getting tired. I like the idea of sleds and 4-wheelers, but they annoy me enough to not fight for them. I enjoy the quiet of the lake, and sometimes I complain about gas augers too. Even though I have used them....and really like them.....and usually bring a friend who has one. I still complain.
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SoCal raised .not my fault✌
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Ok now ppl are idiots on who they vote for....omg lets all just go ice fishing n have...yes atvs and sleds should only be used for getting to point a to point b during the day on ice...night time if they wanna ride so be it...but they should watch out for nite ice fisherman..but 10 out of 1p times we have to watch out for them...
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THE ONLY ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION IS ITS PA.WE ARE THE ONLY STATE FOR ALOT OF THINGS ITS THE GAME AND FISH COMMISSION LAW MAKERS WHO ARE THE PROBLEM.
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Ok now ppl are idiots on who they vote for....omg lets all just go ice fishing n have...yes atvs and sleds should only be used for getting to point a to point b during the day on ice...night time if they wanna ride so be it...but they should watch out for nite ice fisherman..but 10 out of 1p times we have to watch out for them...
It was a joke.....I don't even vote. You need to read more post to catch up on things....lol.
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I am not totally against motorized vehicles on ice but why do you need one. Most Americans are over weight. Perhaps a little walking could do most of us some good! There are some who may be unable to get around and I can see them in need of a motorized device to travel on the ice. Or perhaps a extremely large lake that is not acceptable by foot. I do not believe Pa has many of those lakes if any at all. Too many times these devices cause trouble. Guys get rip rooting around and then who knows? I go ice fishing for several reasons. One is to catch fish but another is to get away from the rat race and away from undesirables. No not all snowmobile guys are undesirable. Just like dirt bikes. Some are bad apples and can destroy your and my pleasures. Same goes for personal water craft. I am sure many boat owners have seen these guys jumping your wake near congested boating areas. If you think using a snowmobile is the way to go please go to other states that allow them and have fun! I am proud and glad to live in Pa and happy with most of the laws we have.
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From what I understand and know from not seeing motorized vehicles on state owned/controlled lakes is, it came about in the late 90's. I believe and I've either read or have heard it stated by officials from the PA Fish Commission that the Winters are no longer cold enough in PA to allow this practice any longer. Go figure! :tipup: ??? :'( :tipup:
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Got the idea from a different thread, but what about using a tracked snow blower to pull the sled and just walking behind it. Wouldn't be considered a vehicle if you are not riding it would it?
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From what I understand and know from not seeing motorized vehicles on state owned/controlled lakes is, it came about in the late 90's. I believe and I've either read or have heard it stated by officials from the PA Fish Commission that the Winters are no longer cold enough in PA to allow this practice any longer. Go figure! :tipup: ??? :'( :tipup:
Been icefishing Pa lakes since the 70's - there were no motorized vehicles allowed on state owned property back then either.
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From what I understand and know from not seeing motorized vehicles on state owned/controlled lakes is, it came about in the late 90's. I believe and I've either read or have heard it stated by officials from the PA Fish Commission that the Winters are no longer cold enough in PA to allow this practice any longer. Go figure! :tipup: ??? :'( :tipup:
They never allowed veh on the ice on PA state lakes, whoever told you that is full of it...
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Got the idea from a different thread, but what about using a tracked snow blower to pull the sled and just walking behind it. Wouldn't be considered a vehicle if you are not riding it would it?
If I'm not mistaken , it's stated as " motorized vehicle " . Trust me , if the PFC can construe it to be a vehicle , they most certainly will . I understand the ice may not be safe most of the time , but even on Hunting Forums , the guys from other states will tell you , Pennsylvania is YEARS behind the rest of the states in consideration of law changes . Semiautomatic rifles is one good example .
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I do not see why they could not allow ATVs for fishing purposes at least on lakes that motorized boats are already allowed on.
As for the wearing the license on an outer garment, I don't agree with it. IMO the only reason for it is so the fish commission guy can sit on their rear with the binoculars to check licenses. I get several licenses a year from out of state and country, none of them require wearing where visible. The officer should be making contact with people if they are suspect, there are more things they are supposed to be concerned about more than just licenses.
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your allowed to run them on privately owned lakes like conneaut And wer allowed to run them on presque bay
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your allowed to run them on privately owned lakes like conneaut And wer allowed to run them on presque bay
Yeah but come within 500 ft of PI state park and your getting a fine. We know on non state lakes you can use them.. problem is with Lakes like pymi it’s a huge lake and your very limited because being mobile is the key. I fish Canada and being mobile on the lakes is the key to success. Being able to fire up the sled and traveling 12 miles out to were the fish are is key to success.
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As for the wearing the license on an outer garment, I don't agree with it. IMO the only reason for it is so the fish commission guy can sit on their rear with the binoculars to check licenses. I get several licenses a year from out of state and country...
Ha! Just gave me a hilarious idea!
Wear all kinds of em, current and past, like 50 or so... Then sit way, far from the crowd.... No laws against wearing others states, or expired ones, right along with your current one... Lol
And drive this too lol
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last outing my cousin was told by warden not to have his 17 in the case with the 18.
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Wow, we have about ten people die every year in Michigan because they fall through the ice, does that mean that it should be outlawed? I think not! There are hundreds of thousands of ice fishermen in the state. We lose about .0001 percent. Using your analogy, I can't believe Pennsylvania allows bicycles, motorcycles, skate boards or even horses, for transportation. How many people die boating every year in your state? Why not outlaw boats?
Agreed ^
Might as well outlaw being outside with a chance of thunderstorms too...
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Ha! Just gave me a hilarious idea!
Wear all kinds of em, current and past, like 50 or so... Then sit way, far from the crowd.... No laws against wearing others states, or expired ones, right along with your current one... Lol
And drive this too lol
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You'll get out of the ticket but he will take you in for a psych evaluation. :cookoo:
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Butchers sentiment that pa people are too stupid to make decisions other states do without their mommy is part of the problem here unfortunately
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Think the politicians will just keep raising our gas taxes so all we can afford is to walk.
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I have always thought our high density of outdoorsman made difficult access a good thing. Whether it's a long walk to drill some holes or a several miles back in to a hunting spot 90% of people wont walk to. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I could imagine a lot of lazy drunks on the ice racing snowmobiles.
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Back in 2017 some one posted you had to display your fishing license on a outer garment. Yes that is what the book said. However Harrisburg Pa fish and boat said no you do not have to have it displayed it is legal to have the app on your pone. Some still argued the point but were wrong. The rules have finally been updated in the summary book so please look at the up dated rules. Even back as far as far as 1990 you had( I think 14 days) to send a copy to prove your were legal. Today all WCOs have computers in the vehicles and can check if you are legal licensed or not.
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Last year I was checked by a PA officer and he said I need to display my license on my jacket. I keep it in my wallet so I'll always have it with me. He was nice about it and all but said next time he would have to write me up.
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WCO can say anything they want but the Legal team in HBG would kick it out and laugh at the WCO. It just took them many years to re write the book.
Proof is no one has been cited for not having it displayed in many years.
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As of the 30th no longer required to have your license displayed HURRAY ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) As for atv's on the ice, seen some wild dangerous stuff on Wallenpaupak, atv's go in, tipups get wasted, drunks flipping them over. No trees to crack your head open with but alot harder to control and stop on black ice..
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Holy thread revival Batman!
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The first time that I fished pecks pond there were 4 wheelers 3 wheelers dirt bikes an snowmobiles running all over the place and then the next time up none that Was back in the mid 80 s I know that they still allowed them on wallenpaupack after that I remember somebody went in and they had a hard time finding him. I think the concern is contaminating the eco system it wouldn’t take much gas to screw up a small lake. A/P :tipup:
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i think its contaminates gas,oil, antifreeze they want to keep at a minimum.
Boats have all the above.
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You should be able to drive an snowmobile on ice you only need 5 inches plenty of winter we have thick enough ice you can drive an ATV in Maryland on ice so the short season crap isn't an argument to make just have it registered and insured there is no reason you shouldn't be allowed yes the ATV/snowmobile could go threw but your boat could also sink so what's the problem here
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There is something satisfying about walking to a hard to get to spot and fishing it. Also as a night angler I wonder how often my tip ups and shelter would get plowed into. In really large bodies of water I can see the need, however past wallenpaupack and raystown most of our lakes are pretty small comparatively. I’m not saying I wouldn’t use in if it were allowed I just don’t see it as that big of a deal that we can’t most places.
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yep, a thread that keeps giving!
As we all know, the ice has been pretty tricky in Pa this year. Seems to be a bit of a trend too. I'll wear my striker suit and bring my spud and ice picks and carefully work my way out on the ice and at times I was pretty nervous about the ice I was on at several lakes. Meanwhile I'll be on a lake that I know the ice is sketchy at best and being as careful as I can be in that circumstance and along walks a crowd of tourists right across an area I wouldn't even think of walking on. They bring their dogs, the kids, even little old grammy-gram-gram. Every year I see tourists and knuckleheads walk right across ice that can't be more than an inch and a half thick but they just walk right along. I can just see the number of snowmobiles getting pulled out of the lakes every week if they make them legal on the ice. I wonder how many dumbells they would have to pull out of the lakes too...
Just a couple weeks ago I was talking to a guy on the ice. He said a couple years ago a buddy of his was riding his snowmobile on the pack on early ice and went through in 30 ft of water. I said "it musta cost a pretty penny to get it out." He said "nope, it's still down there!" He laughed about it. yeah, that's why it's still illegal.
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There is something satisfying about walking to a hard to get to spot and fishing it. Also as a night angler I wonder how often my tip ups and shelter would get plowed into. In really large bodies of water I can see the need, however past wallenpaupack and raystown most of our lakes are pretty small comparatively. I’m not saying I wouldn’t use in if it were allowed I just don’t see it as that big of a deal that we can’t most places.
take it from a night angler from a state where ATVs are all over the ice you'd be surprised at how many tipups you replace every year to sleds