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IceShanty Main => General Ice Fishing Chit Chat => Topic started by: mackdog75 on Nov 30, 2018, 07:05 PM
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Not able to find much info on the Garmin Panoptix ice bundle. I’m looking to upgrade this year but I’m just still on the fence. There are a few videos out there but not as many as I expected. Is it cause of the price or still being new? I mostly fish for perch and walleye on the bottom. Anybody have any reviews or personal experience with it? I posted in the electronics section but didn’t get much feedback. Thanks for any info anyone can provide.
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New technology so a high price... seen one last year and will tell you the ability to search for fish is amazing.
Check out this video
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Go Livescope if you intend to make the move. Well worth the upgrade.
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Go Livescope if you intend to make the move. Well worth the upgrade.
I'm not convinced livescope is worth the extra weight and power consumption.
OP- I got the PS22 this spring and it's amazing. I used it on my kayak this summer and it was a blast to find fish, cast to them, and watch them interact with the lure on the screen, whether they ate it or not. If you can afford the ice bundle you'll definitely enjoy it. If you want to make your own ice bundle with a bigger screen, you can get the Echomap Plus 93sv with a boat transducer for $649.99 from The GPS Store (https://www.thegpsstore.com/Garmin-ECHOMAP-Plus-93sv-with-Transducer-P5451.aspx) and add the Panoptix Ice Fishing kit at $1,299.99 MSRP (I believe if you call you can get a better price from Ultimate Passage Marine (http://www.ultimatepassage.com/cgi-bin/up/73205.html)) and you'll have a hell of a setup for ice and open water.
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Kayl, how did you mount the transducer on your kayak? I have the ice bundle and want to use it on my kayak also.
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The extra details shown in livescope is nice, it leaves nothing to interpret. However if you can read a standard sonar screen, the ps-22 seems to make the fish themselves pop out more on the screen. At least in the videos I’ve seen, compared to what I see on my screen when I’m using the ice package in my boat. I just clamp it to my trolling motor shaft, but plan on getting an independent mount for it next year.
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Worth is a matter of personal preference....but if you have the cash lying around they are fun to use!
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Worth is a matter of personal preference....but if you have the cash lying around they are fun to use!
I just spent a day wandering around the St. Paul Ice Fishing Show. The floor was full of various "Ice Castles" which are RV trailers made specifically to pull out on the lake and fish through your living room floor. Kitchens, toilets, showers, beds, televisions...all for only $20,000-$40,000. I didn't get it until I realized that it is actually a very inexpensive cabin with direct lake access and no taxes.
In any case there apparently is a big market for such things and in light of that, a measly $3K for the best fish finder in the world seems VERY reasonable.
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Kayl, how did you mount the transducer on your kayak? I have the ice bundle and want to use it on my kayak also.
I started with this RAM handlebar mount, and a section of the Garmin ice transducer mount:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GQCMK8K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It worked okay, but I’m now using a Yakattack switchblade, and like it much better:
https://www.yakattack.us/switchblade-transducer-deployment-arm/
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Kayl, how did you mount the transducer on your kayak? I have the ice bundle and want to use it on my kayak also.
I made a pole out of schedule 80 pvc and then used a Ram tough claw, short ram arm, and ram ball.
Here's a picture:
(https://i.postimg.cc/944vX8VX/IMG-20180714-162308.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/944vX8VX)
And another:
(https://i.postimg.cc/B8GVsqhp/IMG-20180714-162301.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/B8GVsqhp)
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Thanks Kayl and Markinohio. Good ideas. Now I just need to get out on the ice and use it! In the spring I'll get to work on mounting it to my kayak. Thanks again.
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Wife wants to replace my LX5 and get us the panoptix. I'm so used to the lx5 I'm just not sure. It's deffiently a different machine. Just wish I could find more on ice videos with it.
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Worth is a matter of personal preference....but if you have the cash lying around they are fun to use!
100% agree. It's funny to read folks grouse about this or that being too expensive when really, it is just to expensive for them to justify and worth is totally personal preference
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Using it As a portable all seasons package makes it much more justifiable. I fish from my friends boat as often as I do my own, so just clamping it to their trolling motor makes it so easy to get full time use out of it.
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Every toy is a money pit that's hard to justify, I like toys.
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Every toy is a money pit that's hard to justify, I like toys.
And, the bottom line is that some toys are simply better than others. All toys are NOT created equal.
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Wife wants to replace my LX5 and get us the panoptix. I'm so used to the lx5 I'm just not sure. It's deffiently a different machine. Just wish I could find more on ice videos with it.
She sounds like a wise woman! ;D
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100% agree. It's funny to read folks grouse about this or that being too expensive when really, it is just to expensive for them to justify and worth is totally personal preference
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100% agree. It's funny to read folks grouse about this or that being too expensive when really, it is just to expensive for them to justify and worth is totally personal preference
Affording it and needing are two different things. We can afford it. I’m just wondering if it’s worth it or just pick up a LX7 or LX9 and call it good and still have some cash for other toys.
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Hi All,
My group of ice guys has fished these last 5 winters with the LX6, LX7 and LX9.
We didn't get onto the Garmin Panoptix till late last winter and bog was it a game changer in searching a new spot to confirm if fishies were around or not or where.
Let put it this way, if we had to search a new area the size of 2 football fields that none of us had been on before. With the traditional 7 to 20 degree sonar cones over 28ft to 35ft of water. we would have easily had to drill 1 hole every 10 yard X 6 lines of holes X 2 football field areas.... That's a total of 10 x 6 x 2 = 120 holes!!!!!!!
Imagine the time and the manpower need just to drill these 120 holes we haven't even got into drop our ducers in the water a looking at our sonar screens yets. This would have completely consumed 4 hours in total.......
We'll we actually cover an area that was 7 to 8 football field area. We covered it with 4 guys in total, 2 using the Ion auger and 2 using the Pan Optix. This area a search successfully in about only 3 hours.
Yes the Pan Optix ice unit is very $$$$$$$, but I would rather bite that bullet and have actually more time to search for new areas or go back to find fishing quicker on my Honey Holes.
But I have to add a word of fairness, Pan optix still hasn't been able to beat my Marcum and defined vertical fishing, the Marcum still shows me more defined details when zoomed in on the screen and has the fastest screen refresh to what really happening under the ice......
Tight Lines to ALL!!!!
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Hi All,
My group of ice guys has fished these last 5 winters with the LX6, LX7 and LX9.
We didn't get onto the Garmin Panoptix till late last winter and bog was it a game changer in searching a new spot to confirm if fishies were around or not or where.
Let put it this way, if we had to search a new area the size of 2 football fields that none of us had been on before. With the traditional 7 to 20 degree sonar cones over 28ft to 35ft of water. we would have easily had to drill 1 hole every 10 yard X 6 lines of holes X 2 football field areas.... That's a total of 10 x 6 x 2 = 120 holes!!!!!!!
Imagine the time and the manpower need just to drill these 120 holes we haven't even got into drop our ducers in the water a looking at our sonar screens yets. This would have completely consumed 4 hours in total.......
We'll we actually cover an area that was 7 to 8 football field area. We covered it with 4 guys in total, 2 using the Ion auger and 2 using the Pan Optix. This area a search successfully in about only 3 hours.
Yes the Pan Optix ice unit is very $$$$$$$, but I would rather bite that bullet and have actually more time to search for new areas or go back to find fishing quicker on my Honey Holes.
But I have to add a word of fairness, Pan optix still hasn't been able to beat my Marcum and defined vertical fishing, the Marcum still shows me more defined details when zoomed in on the screen and has the fastest screen refresh to what really happening under the ice......
Tight Lines to ALL!!!!
Thanks that’s the kind of info I have been looking for. I was wondering in down view mode would the marcum or Garmin be better? I understand the side scan searching for fish but all in all I want to know if you only had 1 down the hole to use which would it be.
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That’s why the ice bundle still comes with the standard ice transducer.
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That’s why the ice bundle still comes with the standard ice transducer.
Sea monkey that’s a very good point I never considered. I have been somhung up on the Panoptix that I forgot about the standard ice transducer.
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Here's another video that just came out today...I can't wait to get out! ;D ;D ;D
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Here's another video that just came out today...I can't wait to get out! ;D ;D ;D
Thanks for posting that, I can’t wait to use mine on the ice. Ive been using it from the boat (pointed foward) since sept, it is awesome and has helped me catch several fish I never would of using regular sonar. but I can’t always line up the cast to keep the lure in the beam to watch the whole interaction like we can fishing on the ice.
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Very nice video.
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I ordered one yesterday,cant wait to play with it.Great videos.
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I just spent a day wandering around the St. Paul Ice Fishing Show. The floor was full of various "Ice Castles" which are RV trailers made specifically to pull out on the lake and fish through your living room floor. Kitchens, toilets, showers, beds, televisions...all for only $20,000-$40,000. I didn't get it until I realized that it is actually a very inexpensive cabin with direct lake access and no taxes.
In any case there apparently is a big market for such things and in light of that, a measly $3K for the best fish finder in the world seems VERY reasonable.
I'm looking at one someone here suggested. 15k but I could use it ice fishing and in the summer where I go striper fishing. Money well spent.
Panoptix wise...its only as impressive as the angler using it. The biggest upside weve found is with laker jigging. There is some benefit to seeing the laker come in from the side. Especially in situations where they are suspended. With a traditional flasher like my flx28 you just see the mark appear below your jig...most times when your goofing around with gear or eating a sandwich!
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I think it is to the right person. for me i think its worth it. especially since i can put it in the boat.
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Panoptix wise...its only as impressive as the angler using it. The biggest upside we've found is with laker jigging. There is some benefit to seeing the laker come in from the side. Especially in situations where they are suspended.
I have one all built and ready - but have not put it into the water as our Lake Trout season does not begin before Dec 28th. I hope to get to the cabin and test it on some walleyes, but I bought it for lake trout. They are simply the most fun I have and I think this will help. I know it will help locate structure. Most times if you jig over a single boulder you will catch many times as many fish as someone 10 feet away over nothing.
Very impatient for the next 30 days to run by.
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Its performance begins to lack in 100ft plus. Kind of a big nut to cough up to lack functionality in the deepest water.
Some good news on deeper water.
I was speaking with the program manager at their booth at the St. Paul Ice Show and he indicated that engineering is already working on a "zoom" feature to help in deep water. It will be a software upgrade. Said it could possibly happen soon. The more videos/pressure we can give on why it is important (like for Lakers) the higher the priority they will give the project.
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Some good news on deeper water.
I was speaking with the program manager at their booth at the St. Paul Ice Show and he indicated that engineering is already working on a "zoom" feature to help in deep water. It will be a software upgrade. Said it could possibly happen soon. The more videos/pressure we can give on why it is important (like for Lakers) the higher the priority they will give the project.
Awesome! When it comes to lake trout, I was mostly going to use panoptix to put me on the right spot on structure, and to detect suspended fish off to the sides. using the regular ice transducer to see jig and fish when dropping down deep wouldn’t bother me so much.
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I pulled the trigger this morning on the Garmin +93SV deal at Cabelas, plus took advantage of the 7% back on Active Junky, worked out better than I would have ever guessed when I started out on this adventure. I also picked up the Livescope and other components from Lisa at Ultimate Passage today. I have plenty of ice, just need to be patient and wait for the goodies to come. Special thanks to Gunflint for answering my many questions.
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I pulled the trigger this morning on the Garmin +93SV deal at Cabelas, plus took advantage of the 7% back on Active Junky, worked out better than I would have ever guessed when I started out on this adventure. I also picked up the Livescope and other components from Lisa at Ultimate Passage today. I have plenty of ice, just need to be patient and wait for the goodies to come. Special thanks to Gunflint for answering my many questions.
YOU have great ice. Now we want some great videos, especially some deep water videos. I cannot find any. Good luck!
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Deep water is not an issue for mr we usually are in the 30-45ft range for perch. Ours are bottom huggers so that’s the hold up right now for me. That last walleye video was impressive and fun to watch.
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Gunflint I have to come out your way and of January for work. You anywhere near Eden Prairie?
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I will be north of Grand Marais (300 miles north of Eden Prairie) in January - lake trout fishing if all the planning holds.
Not many lake trout in the minneapolis area.
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Panoptix is starting to catch on with some of the guides here in SD, as they attempt to stay on top of schools of perch.
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I will be north of Grand Marais (300 miles north of Eden Prairie) in January - lake trout fishing if all the planning holds.
Not many lake trout in the minneapolis area.
I am envious. I will be jigging in my water bottle in meetings...
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I'm looking at one someone here suggested. 15k but I could use it ice fishing and in the summer where I go striper fishing. Money well spent.
Panoptix wise...its only as impressive as the angler using it. The biggest upside weve found is with laker jigging. There is some benefit to seeing the laker come in from the side. Especially in situations where they are suspended. With a traditional flasher like my flx28 you just see the mark appear below your jig...most times when your goofing around with gear or eating a sandwich!
I wont buy one though...its a giant ducer to setup on the ice...and
Its performance begins to lack in 100ft plus. Kind of a big nut to cough up to lack functionality in the deepest water.
This is what keeps me from getting it, (and the money but I could probably swing it), I like to bring as little gear as possible and this thing just looks gigantic.
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This is what keeps me from getting it, (and the money but I could probably swing it), I like to bring as little gear as possible and this thing just looks gigantic.
The entire livescope setup fits into the Clam iceflasher bag....so I'd say if the money is there, it really isn't that gigantic compared to some other large ducer setups.
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The entire livescope setup fits into the Clam iceflasher bag....so I'd say if the money is there, it really isn't that gigantic compared to some other large ducer setups.
Even that big horseshoe shaped thing? Do you take things apart to go in the bag? I'm going to wait til next year at the least to see where things go and if Garmin gets any competition to drive the price down.
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Even that big horseshoe shaped thing? Do you take things apart to go in the bag? I'm going to wait til next year at the least to see where things go and if Garmin gets any competition to drive the price down.
i didn't buy their Horseshoe mount, just made my own. Sounds like competition will be priced higher yet...
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I have to chuckle a little at the word being used by many. " Justify ". No matter how cheap you go or economical as some like to use. The fact remains you can buy fish cheaper than any method of sport angling. That is before adding any kind of electronics to the equation.
My only two qualifiers "want and afford " . No matter how much money you have saved over your life. The amount you take with you on death is zero. Which is the exact amount you came in with.
Enjoyment is a little different. Come in with zero and leave with what ever and how ever you lived your life. Over my 71 years of life so far. I have spent a lot on tackle and equipment. But pales in comparison for the non-essentials. Like Housing , Food and Clothing. ;D
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I have to chuckle a little at the word being used by many. " Justify ". No matter how cheap you go or economical as some like to use. The fact remains you can buy fish cheaper than any method of sport angling. That is before adding any kind of electronics to the equation.
My only two qualifiers "want and afford " . No matter how much money you have saved over your life. The amount you take with you on death is zero. Which is the exact amount you came in with.
Enjoyment is a little different. Come in with zero and leave with what ever and how ever you lived your life. Over my 71 years of life so far. I have spent a lot on tackle and equipment. But pales in comparison for the non-essentials. Like Housing , Food and Clothing. ;D
The issue is afford....I am skeptical at all the folks claiming they don't "want" one......
A guy stood by a Tesla X which was charging at the mall this last weekend. As if I was somehow involved he informed me he wouldn't be seen driving one of them because the CEO is crazy. I kindly replied and told him he should take a test drive, and take his kid with, as I'd compare it to a Disney ride. He just maintained he didn't like the CEO. Laughable.....so many folks like to claim different reasons for not wanting something, when often it's more a question of affordability.
Now, most employed sports fishermen can probably afford one, but at this price it means shrinking their budget somewhere else.....now if only my insurance costed what it did before Ocare.....
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You know the meaning of justify is to provide a compelling reason for something, right? The reason is whatever you want it to be. Read into it as much as you want, but read a dictionary first
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You know the meaning of justify is to provide a compelling reason for something, right? The reason is whatever you want it to be. Read into it as much as you want, but read a dictionary first
That is true. I once had a little 12 ft boat that was referred to as a widowmaker by some buddies. Horrible in even slightest wind and on opened lakes. But I was able to catch fish out of it and made it back alive. Sure sucked not being able to even stand up to stretch. Got rid of it years ago. Bought it cheap, sold it for less.
As far as panoptix and livescope, if performs as advertised, what that is worth, that is up to everyone's decision.
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NOBODY has to buy one...it is fine with me. ;D
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Nobody is forcing anyone at gun point to buy 1 , I say if you want something and can afford go for it , and have a fun with the new toy
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If you don’t have a boat then it may be excessive, but it surely will cut down on the number of holes you need to drill. It will also make your placement of holes a lot more efficient, being able to see exactly where the contours and structures are. You can even see the holes being drilled as it happens and make placement corrections.
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I want to build a panoptix liveview I want something simple. things I need 93sv plus and livescope. I have the marcum shuttle to mounted! What other tings I need?
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I think I'm in trouble - I think I have way over spent on my ice-fishing gear. The $2k for that Garmin Unit is a drop in the bucket, by comparison. I'm not alone either. Why is there such discussion about the cost of this thing. If you want one and can manage to put it in your stash of equipment - go for it.
I've got one on my Amazon XMAS wish list :P Wife was asking about it last night. So, you never know.
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Rally Green- hope you enjoy being a troll. If you have no sense of humor don't bother me. You don't get invited to many parties do you ?
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So you can get a panoptix ice bundle for what ? Maybe $ 1800 ?
Can you get a livescope ice bundle, or do you have to piece it together yourself ?
------ and what would it cost for a livescope Ice set up ?
Man- I would love a set up like that. The price does make me pause.
What I really need is a buddy with a panoptix !!!
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Answer: make lots of friends.
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You can check out Amazon.
Includes ECHOMAP Plus 73cv combo with 3 types of sonar: narrow beam Garmin CHIRP traditional and a Panoptix PS22 transducer with LiveVü Forward and LiveVü Down
GT10HN-IF ice fishing transducer with Garmin CHIRP traditional sonar and narrow beam angle (8 to 16 degrees) for precise fish and jig detection
Preloaded LakeVü HD maps provide industry-leading detail on more than 17,000 lakes
Ability to create custom combination screen to include flasher, map and Panoptix views
Rugged, portable carrying case fits all included parts and is perfect for ice fishing
New (1) from $1,899.99 & FREE shipping.
Don't think that includes the ice-fishing PanOptics mount - if not, add 126$ I'm sure there are other options than Amazon that are a little less.
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Thanks Phil. I will check Amazon.
Gunflint- I have lots of ice fishing buds, but unfortunately they are all like me- wishing they had it but waiting for the other chump to buy it first - lol
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I was looking on Amazon. As near as I can tell, the live view forward and live view down is the older technology. I mean compared to livescope. Is that right ?
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If you don’t have a boat then it may be excessive, but it surely will cut down on the number of holes you need to drill. It will also make your placement of holes a lot more efficient, being able to see exactly where the contours and structures are. You can even see the holes being drilled as it happens and make placement corrections.
Have you actually used yours on the ice yet? I ask because I have had the pleasure on a few occasions and what you mention is more marketing koolaid from my perspective than actual fact. We still did the same amount of drilling and searching as normal. What that unit doesnt do is bring fish to you nor does it make them bite. Now I'll mention that we used it primarily for lake fishing and the only real obvious benefit as I mentioned before, was seeing the suspended fish move in right below the jig. Not much warning in the traditional flashers when that happens.
My skepticism is that some people adopt new fishing tech and then for whatever reason try to ram it down others throats. Many times before they've applied the new toy to their fishing. There was lots of that type of evangalism for the LX7's until they started blowing up left and right. It took a bit of a humbling for the early adopters to stop being unpaid sponsors. Such is the way of our material world I suppose.
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Ok settle down guys. We don’t a pissing match. I started the thread and just wanted people’s opinions not a fight. I was just curious is people who had it already thought it was worth it or if they regretted it. I know it’s kind of new and definitely expensive. I just wanted some real reviews and not just what Garmin had to say.
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Have you actually used yours on the ice yet? I ask because I have had the pleasure on a few occasions and what you mention is more marketing koolaid from my perspective than actual fact. We still did the same amount of drilling and searching as normal. What that unit doesnt do is bring fish to you nor does it make them bite. Now I'll mention that we used it primarily for lake fishing and the only real obvious benefit as I mentioned before, was seeing the suspended fish move in right below the jig. Not much warning in the traditional flashers when that happens.
No I haven’t used it through the ice yet. But i know what it’s capable of and it’s limits, at least open water. I’ve experienced using it in foward mode trolling/fishing on unmapped lakes, which is where I think it’ll be the most useful. I can see the bottom contours and structure anywhere I point it. Making the drilling of holes in new areas much more efficient. As a fish locator (yes I know it doesn’t bring them to you or do the catching) it has let me know what type of structure or depths to be looking for and focusing on. For other times like a basin, yes you’ll still punch a lot of holes, but you can check the area first, then punch it out to “follow” the school. I too would mostly be using it to see the suspended fish while I’m jigging, and using it to better understand their body language so to speak.
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Make sure you let us know how it works out.
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Bought one of the 93sv plus units at Cabela’s today for my small boat. Just couldn’t pass it up for the price and features.
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What kind of battery life are you guys getting out of the panoptix with livescope
And also units without
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What kind of battery life are you guys getting out of the panoptix with livescope
And also units without
Spoke with a Garmin person at the St. Paul Ice Fishing Show that has his Livescope rigged with 2 10AH Lithium Dakota batteries.
He had it out on the ice 10 days ago.
- 2 hours scouting in the Sun with full screen brightness in the cold
- 15 hours with screen dimmed inside a heated shanty
Total: 17 hours
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Panoptix vs Livescope on the same Garmin Screen.
Panoptix is great, but Livescope is like an untrasound - see the fish itself!
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Bought one of the 93sv plus units at Cabela’s today for my small boat. Just couldn’t pass it up for the price and features.
I agree, and they're also holding that sale for a while. With stored 20% off gift cards and activejunky cashback it is an amazing deal. The unit is really nice.
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Wife wants to replace my LX5 and get us the panoptix. I'm so used to the lx5 I'm just not sure. It's deffiently a different machine. Just wish I could find more on ice videos with it.
You sir, have one heck of a wife!!! :)
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You sir, have one heck of a wife!!! :)
Save the lx5 for backup!
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I'm very curious to read/see reviews when guy's actually use LiveScope. That new edition seems like a good upgrade over standard Panoptics.
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I'm very curious to read/see reviews when guy's actually use LiveScope. That new edition seems like a good upgrade over standard Panoptics.
It'll be better in a year or two when you don't need the additional box for it. @)
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It'll be better in a year or two when you don't need the additional box for it. @)
I agree with Kayl, but just THINK of all the fish I am going to catch during the next two years AND all the fun I am going to have doing it.
Patience has not been one of the things I have been accused of. ::)
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It'll be better in a year or two when you don't need the additional box for it. @)
and will be under a grand too i imagine
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When this came out I was skeptical, seemed like a large amount of gear to carry and really heavy (no vehicles on ice around here). I've been really wanting an lx7. I almost spent the money a couple times on the lx7. I think I'm glad I didn't now, I will be watching videos and reviews though. I'll be saving up and next summer grabbing one of these for the boat and ice.
Anyone have any pics of how they are using it on a boat? Has anyone tried using one on a kayak yet? I have my own armada and being able to swap this back and forth would be awesome.
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It'll be better in a year or two when you don't need the additional box for it. @)
In two years there will be something different and better. One can wait for updates and changes forever. Just miss out on the fun now, is all.
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In two years there will be something different and better. One can wait for updates and changes forever. Just miss out on the fun now, is all.
well put.....look at cellphone prices from 1999. They were just as much new as the new ones cost today.....yet they basically only performed calling and messaging at that time.
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When this came out I was skeptical, seemed like a large amount of gear to carry and really heavy (no vehicles on ice around here). I've been really wanting an lx7. I almost spent the money a couple times on the lx7. I think I'm glad I didn't now, I will be watching videos and reviews though. I'll be saving up and next summer grabbing one of these for the boat and ice.
Anyone have any pics of how they are using it on a boat? Has anyone tried using one on a kayak yet? I have my own armada and being able to swap this back and forth would be awesome.
I posted pics earlier in this thread:
I made a pole out of schedule 80 pvc and then used a Ram tough claw, short ram arm, and ram ball.
Here's a picture:
(https://i.postimg.cc/944vX8VX/IMG-20180714-162308.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/944vX8VX)
And another:
(https://i.postimg.cc/B8GVsqhp/IMG-20180714-162301.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/B8GVsqhp)
In two years there will be something different and better. One can wait for updates and changes forever. Just miss out on the fun now, is all.
True, but dropping that livescope box will make a huge difference in weight. :-)
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It is bulky, but I have my early ice prototype ready (just need ice). Will need to make a longer transducer mount when the ice gets thicker that 12”.
(https://www.ohiogamefishing.com/media/front.81565/full?d=1544045414)
I have a 20Ah lithium battery inside the cooler, and I think that the livescope box would probably fit in there too.
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This sounds like exciting technology. I was going to get a LX7 Lithium for my first fish finder, but maybe should wait a year or two and get one of these when price is maybe less.
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This sounds like exciting technology. I was going to get a LX7 Lithium for my first fish finder, but maybe should wait a year or two and get one of these when price is maybe less.
If your going to wait, then get something like a lowrance or humminbird ice package for 300 or under, it’ll still work wonderfully to fish with. The biggest benefit of this new tech is the live image side scanning that shows fish.
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This sounds like exciting technology. I was going to get a LX7 Lithium for my first fish finder, but maybe should wait a year or two and get one of these when price is maybe less.
You could always get the non-panoptix ice bundle and add the ps22 later. :)
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You could always get the non-panoptix ice bundle and add the ps22 later. :)
Which would be smart because those LX7's while nice, all eventually end up back at Marcum...
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Thanks that’s the kind of info I have been looking for. I was wondering in down view mode would the marcum or Garmin be better? I understand the side scan searching for fish but all in all I want to know if you only had 1 down the hole to use which would it be.
Hi There, I will always keep a LX6 around with the PanOptix or Livescope. I find the Marcum display image has the least delay when the lure and the fish line meet up, my rod tip would generally indicate a fish strike. But on the Humminbird and my HDS units, the fish and the lure has still indicated a space on the graph between both, my rod is already indicating a strike. There's always a delay on those boat graphs....... Just imagine trying to play Call of Duty online but on dial-up modem?? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tight Lines ALL!!!
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I always have a hard time transitioning from ice to open water without the vexilar. This looks interesting for sure, I need a new depth finder for the boat up front. I would imagine this would be similar to ice fishing from the front of your boat.
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I always have a hard time transitioning from ice to open water without the vexilar. This looks interesting for sure, I need a new depth finder for the boat up front. I would imagine this would be similar to ice fishing from the front of your boat.
Yep! Main reason I got it, get year round use out of it.
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Make sure you let us know how it works out.
Update: It worked out just fine for me yesterday. For bottom hugging fish, just have to keep the transducer stationary long enough to see if a spot on the bottom moving/bobbing more than just the rhythmic pulsing that it shows across the whole bottom. I was in 20fow and saw a spot 40ft away In 10fow that the bottom looked like it was moving out of beat from the rest. I paced out the distance, drill one hole, switched to down view and saw fish moving through under me.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qhbY5WDs/06314-C1-B-2-F31-4-EFC-825-A-0-D2-E3-C8-A82-ED.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qhbY5WDs)
(https://i.postimg.cc/942vRdq7/96-E2-E332-8380-460-D-8-AF5-C0-A0-A52-FA333.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/942vRdq7)
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I get that fish you see will prob often move from the drilling, but it’ll at least put you in the right area to punch out.
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Ok settle down guys. We don’t a pissing match. I started the thread and just wanted people’s opinions not a fight. I was just curious is people who had it already thought it was worth it or if they regretted it. I know it’s kind of new and definitely expensive. I just wanted some real reviews and not just what Garmin had to say.
Read all the commits and even posted my lengthy one what the PanOptix did for used last year on the ice.
But i'm now real considering the LiveScope Ice Bundle package, in many ways it s truely better that the PM-22 TR ducer on the ice and open water!!!!
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Searching on whether or not this unit could be applied to open water fishing brought me here. So many questions though. I'd be trying to use this out of a kayak. I'd also be much more interested in the livescope. Will they eventually make a livescope ice bundle? If I could get something like that, that I could use for ice fishing, put in a kayak, and haul it to Canada for a fly in trip and pop it into a 12 foot boat, I'd be all in! Anyone have any videos they can share of using the panoptix ice bundle in a kayak?
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Bottom line: if you own a $40-50,000 bass boat for soft water, why not go for the Panoptix for ice and soft water?
If you don't , you don't need it.
No question it is a game changer; it is all a matter of priorites.
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Searching on whether or not this unit could be applied to open water fishing brought me here. So many questions though. I'd be trying to use this out of a kayak. I'd also be much more interested in the livescope. Will they eventually make a livescope ice bundle? If I could get something like that, that I could use for ice fishing, put in a kayak, and haul it to Canada for a fly in trip and pop it into a 12 foot boat, I'd be all in! Anyone have any videos they can share of using the panoptix ice bundle in a kayak?
If you have a barge of a kayak it would probably work if you could figure out where to put the transducer, but judging only from videos I've seen, it doesn't seem to be portable enough for me. I like to go simple on the kayak, but some people don't mind the clutter so it might work for you.
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Searching on whether or not this unit could be applied to open water fishing brought me here. So many questions though. I'd be trying to use this out of a kayak. I'd also be much more interested in the livescope. Will they eventually make a livescope ice bundle? If I could get something like that, that I could use for ice fishing, put in a kayak, and haul it to Canada for a fly in trip and pop it into a 12 foot boat, I'd be all in! Anyone have any videos they can share of using the panoptix ice bundle in a kayak?
Check your PM's
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A guy was using Panoptic at the local perch hole the other day. He got his limit when we all were struggling.
Is a limit of perch worth $2500?
Maybe- ;D
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The same stick that the ice bundle uses for the transducer can be clamped to a boat or kayak with a ram mount, or just attach the included transducer mount to any trolling motor shaft. I use it in my little pond boat attached to the trolling motor, live vu fowards works great. I haven’t tried down vu from the boat yet, I think the motor will get in the way. I’m going to be using it separate from the motor this next season, so I can have down vu and be able to scan around without turning the motor.
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I run my 93sv and PS22 on my kayak in the summer. I would recommend using a diy PVC pole instead of the Garmin mount when you have it on your kayak. Here are some pics of my setup using 1" schedule 80 PVC with 1" schedule 40 PVC fittings, 1" ram ball, 1" ram arm, and 1" ram tough claw.
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This is with my old 73sv, but you get the idea:
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Thinking really hard about the upgrade from the old 73cv to the 93sv plus. Can I just pull the head unit out and snap in the new one? What chances will I be able to sell the 73cv unit alone with no mount or transducer?
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Thinking really hard about the upgrade from the old 73cv to the 93sv plus. Can I just pull the head unit out and snap in the new one? What chances will I be able to sell the 73cv unit alone with no mount or transducer?
It's a different mount. You can buy the 93sv plus for $570 from Cabela's right now with the boat ducer. It comes with the mount and what not. What I did was sell my 73sv with the new ducer from the plus.
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It's a different mount. You can buy the 93sv plus for $570 from Cabela's right now with the boat ducer. It comes with the mount and what not. What I did was sell my 73sv with the new ducer from the plus.
It is back to $1000 now.
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It is back to $1000 now.
Bass Pro has them for $599. You can almost make up the difference if you're an Ebates user. 3.5% cash back vs. 1.5% with Cabela's.
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The 2019 EchoMAP Plus models have 'NEW G3 MAPPING' and are much more expensive than the same named 2018 models.
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It is back to $1000 now.
https://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=2716402
Nope. Price drops in the cart too.
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https://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=2716402
Nope. Price drops in the cart too.
Great deal
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I'm definitely down the Livescope rabbit hole now. Thank you to Seamonkey to turning me onto some helpful FB pages with lots of information on DIY kits.
Edit - I mean SkyWagon! But you're alright too Seamonkey. ;D
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Bought one, 73cv plus ice bundle. Liking it so far. Will probably get a live scope transducer for the heck of it. Below is a pic of some smelt from this afternoon.
(https://i.postimg.cc/JGzYzW3Y/20190224-150515.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JGzYzW3Y)
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Bought one, 73cv plus ice bundle. Liking it so far. Will probably get a live scope transducer for the heck of it. Below is a pic of some smelt from this afternoon.
You can make the menu auto-hide and I'd recommend getting rid of the real time on the left side. :)
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You can make the menu auto-hide and I'd recommend getting rid of the real time on the left side. :)
In depths over 75 I prefer the split screen with the sonar zoomed in to the bottom 10. Makes seeing the lakers way easier. 😉
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In depths over 75 I prefer the split screen with the sonar zoomed in to the bottom 10. Makes seeing the lakers way easier. 😉
Id do that but usually leave my jig higher up in the water column. Kayl Ill figure that out eventually.
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You can manually set the zoom to whatever range you want, and move the zoom window anywhere within the water column.
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Emails go out to those buying at $599 saying they are out of stock and unit not shipping, if you can grab one you better do so quick...just got the new catalog where it is listed at $999.
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Emails go out to those buying at $599 saying they are out of stock and unit not shipping, if you can grab one you better do so quick...just got the new catalog where it is listed at $999.
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I was at Cabelas today. That $599 deal is last years model. The new model is $999. This is from the sales associate I was talking to, so it might be true.
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I was at Cabelas today. That $599 deal is last years model. The new model is $999. This is from the sales associate I was talking to, so it might be true.
There is absolutely no difference in head unit hardware between the $599 one and the $999 one. The $999 is preloaded with the Garmin/Navionics G3 mapping, but you get one free map update with any Garmin chartplotter, so you can get those maps for free on the "old one".
The boat transducers are different. The new one comes bundled with the GT52, while the old one has the CV52. The difference is that the GT52 has a dedicated down imaging crystal, while the CV52 merged the side imaging returns to make the down imaging. I've had both ducers and saw no difference.
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What was the price back in December that you could buy the ice bundle for with the 93CV?
I'm seeing a fair amount of units for sale on facebook marketplace. Most are around $1600. Are people selling to upgrade to the livescope units? Or is the panoptix not all it's cracked up to be?
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By so many videos I’m seeing on YouTube, people are upgrading to the livescope.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCP34lnTqwI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCP34lnTqwI)
Skip to the 22 minute mark of this video, and you'll see how this guy rigged up his panoptix to the side of his pontoon boat. Pretty slick.
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So there is no doubt there are still deals out there on the head unit....the pricey part really is the livescope transducer. The best deal that folks were actually able to replicate since Black Friday was about $1300. So at best it is still a $2000 deal once you factor in at least one lithium battery (you will need two or one large 20AH one if fishing all day). Still good deal and totally awesome given that you were looking at more like $3000+ few months ago.
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Could you be more specific mboss? $1300 for what?
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Could you be more specific mboss? $1300 for what?
Garmin 93SV chartplotter head unit (or equivalent) - Required for both Panoptix or Livescope - Around $600
Panoptix PS22 Transducer - Turns your regular 93SV into Panoptix - Around $800
Panoptix LiveScope System - Turns your regular 93SV into LiveScope - Around $1,500
You can use the head unit with a regular transducer as a standalone graph/locator OR you can add the PS22 to upgrade to Panoptix OR you can add the LiveScope system to upgrade to, well, LiveScope.
LiveScope is Panoptix but Panoptix is not necessarily LiveScope. Do not confuse the two. You do not need the PS22 Panoptix transducer to run LiveScope.
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Garmin 93SV chartplotter head unit (or equivalent) - Required for both Panoptix or Livescope - Around $600
Panoptix PS22 Transducer - Turns your regular 93SV into Panoptix - Around $800
Panoptix LiveScope System - Turns your regular 93SV into LiveScope - Around $1,500
You can use the head unit with a regular transducer as a standalone graph/locator OR you can add the PS22 to upgrade to Panoptix OR you can add the LiveScope system to upgrade to, well, LiveScope.
LiveScope is Panoptix but Panoptix is not necessarily LiveScope. Do not confuse the two. You do not need the PS22 Panoptix transducer to run LiveScope.
Thanks for that, esox. I've got a lead on a garmin ice bundle, 93cv with panoptix. Come with one 10amp lithium battery. I can buy this for $1700. Seems like a decent deal??
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That's in the ball park. I found a 93SV w/open water transducer for $600 and got the PS22 (Panoptix transducer) for just over $800, all to my door. I have an NOS Ice Armor Flasher bag I'm gonna build the ice pack into, I got batteries and since I'll be using the PS22 on the ice I won't need an ice 'ducer. If I decide I need one that'll bust me another $150.
The PS22 gets 12v of power too. As I understand the combo draws quite a bit and lots of guys are going to 20 Ah batteries or using dual 10's. I'll have to see where it takes me. I do have three 10 Ah LiFPO batteries so I'll be fine there.
My plan is for this to do double duty as a bow mount for open water. I do a good amount of off structure fishing for muskies and learned a couple of things about roaming crappies last year so it will be a weapon.
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Thanks for that, esox. I've got a lead on a garmin ice bundle, 93cv with panoptix. Come with one 10amp lithium battery. I can buy this for $1700. Seems like a decent deal??
I paid 1700 for a 93cv plus ice bundle. Glen's Army Navy in MN had it
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Thanks for that, esox. I've got a lead on a garmin ice bundle, 93cv with panoptix. Come with one 10amp lithium battery. I can buy this for $1700. Seems like a decent deal??
That seems rather steep given it is a non plus unit, you will not be able to upgrade that to Livescope in the future. Realistic number for something like that should be around $1300.
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That seems rather steep given it is a non plus unit, you will not be able to upgrade that to Livescope in the future. Realistic number for something like that should be around $1300.
It is a "plus" unit, I missed that earlier. Thanks for the replies fellas, at least I know I'm in the ballpark now.
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It is a "plus" unit, I missed that earlier. Thanks for the replies fellas, at least I know I'm in the ballpark now.
no problem, at $1700 for a used panoptix, you are approaching the territory of new livescope setup....imo
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OK, I've done some looking on this package. This is the best price I came up with..
Reeds has the garmin panoptix ice fishing kit on sale for $1099, but you get a $99 visa card with purchase which = $999
Cabelas has the 93SV on sale for $599, call in only, thanks to mboss and another fellow on the best deals thread.
https://www.reedssports.com/garmin/garmin-panoptix-portable-ice-fishing-319927 (https://www.reedssports.com/garmin/garmin-panoptix-portable-ice-fishing-319927)
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no problem, at $1700 for a used panoptix, you are approaching the territory of new livescope setup....imo
Agree with this. Mine was 1699.00 new.
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OK, I've done some looking on this package. This is the best price I came up with..
Reeds has the garmin panoptix ice fishing kit on sale for $1099, but you get a $99 visa card with purchase which = $999
Cabelas has the 93SV on sale for $599, call in only, thanks to mboss and another fellow on the best deals thread.
https://www.reedssports.com/garmin/garmin-panoptix-portable-ice-fishing-319927 (https://www.reedssports.com/garmin/garmin-panoptix-portable-ice-fishing-319927)
That is pretty nice deal, and you'll be able to upgrade to livescope when it's price drops a little and offload the 22 ducer.
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no problem, at $1700 for a used panoptix, you are approaching the territory of new livescope setup....imo
Not really but ok. $1700 seems to be the going rate for a used set up. Livescope will run you $2500-3k for the version with the Garmin Ice bag.
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Not really but ok. $1700 seems to be the going rate for a used set up. Livescope will run you $2500-3k for the version with the Garmin Ice bag.
Yes, but if you make your own pole, bag, get your own batteries you can make it happen for less
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Yes, but if you make your own pole, bag, get your own batteries you can make it happen for less
Lol not by much. 93sv-600, live scope-1500, dual lithium batteries-180-200. Plus a bag and pole puts you around 2400-2500.
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Got the first piece of the puzzle today and pulled the trigger on the 93sv plus.
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Lol not by much. 93sv-600, live scope-1500, dual lithium batteries-180-200. Plus a bag and pole puts you around 2400-2500.
93sv -$575
Livescope - $1300
Dual batteries - $160
Clam bag $40
Pole under $20
That's about where I am at for my livescope setup. Of course it didn't happen all at once but about a month of watching pricing from many retailers.
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93sv -$575
Livescope - $1300
Dual batteries - $160
Clam bag $40
Pole under $20
That's about where I am at for my livescope setup. Of course it didn't happen all at once but about a month of watching pricing from many retailers.
Wow im on the FB page for panoptix and thats the best ive seen on the livescoop. Still over 2100 for everything on great deals. 1700 for a used optix is still a good price. I wont buy the livescope until Garmin will warranty it through the ice and I dont have to Jerry Rig it.
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Wow im on the FB page for panoptix and thats the best ive seen on the livescoop. Still over 2100 for everything on great deals. 1700 for a used optix is still a good price. I wont buy the livescope until Garmin will warranty it through the ice and I dont have to Jerry Rig it.
Garmin will warranty Livescope through the ice. The post about them not doing so was based off of incorrect information.
The panoptix ps22 ducer and the Livescope ducer have exactly the same operating and storage specs.
PS22
(https://i.postimg.cc/4Ymj79DT/Screenshot-20181205-200055.png) (https://postimg.cc/4Ymj79DT)
Livescope
(https://i.postimg.cc/jDf03fZ4/Screenshot-20181205-200921.png) (https://postimg.cc/jDf03fZ4)
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Garmin will warranty Livescope through the ice. The post about them not doing so was based off of incorrect information.
The panoptix ps22 ducer and the Livescope ducer have exactly the same operating and storage specs.
PS22
(https://i.postimg.cc/4Ymj79DT/Screenshot-20181205-200055.png) (https://postimg.cc/4Ymj79DT)
Livescope
(https://i.postimg.cc/jDf03fZ4/Screenshot-20181205-200921.png) (https://postimg.cc/jDf03fZ4)
Which post, the one I read was from someone who worked for Garmin?
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Which post, the one I read was from someone who worked for Garmin?
That post said Livescope shouldn't be used in water colder than 32°... Which is true, you shouldn't let any transducer freeze in. Like the specifications show, Livescope is perfectly fine to use on the ice.
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That post said Livescope shouldn't be used in water colder than 32°... Which is true, you shouldn't let any transducer freeze in. Like the specifications show, Livescope is perfectly fine to use on the ice.
LOL which post, it wasnt on this site?
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Wow im on the FB page for panoptix and thats the best ive seen on the livescoop. Still over 2100 for everything on great deals. 1700 for a used optix is still a good price. I wont buy the livescope until Garmin will warranty it through the ice and I dont have to Jerry Rig it.
It was posted on there for that price around Thanksgiving....the price was available for at least a couple weeks. 1700 is hardly a great price for used as my local store sells the optix bundle for about that new. (Last I saw was $1800 and they run 10% off coupons every now and then) Of course those who prefer paying msrp or buy spur of the moment might view this different.
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LOL which post, it wasnt on this site?
It was on a Garmin ice fishing Facebook group. :)
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Instead of continuing the pissing match I think it would be nice to get this thread back on track. I was, am planning on doing a review at the end of the season about the Poptix. I feel for the price and tech I would like a full season with it to truly understand how it works and if its worth the price. Ill be heading to DL in just over a week and hoping to get on some perch and eyes with it. After that it will be back to cohos/lakers and finishing the season with some crappies. In the mean time if anyone has any questions on it please let me know.
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Instead of continuing the pissing match I think it would be nice to get this thread back on track. I was, am planning on doing a review at the end of the season about the Poptix. I feel for the price and tech I would like a full season with it to truly understand how it works and if its worth the price. Ill be heading to DL in just over a week and hoping to get on some perch and eyes with it. After that it will be back to cohos/lakers and finishing the season with some crappies. In the mean time if anyone has any questions on it please let me know.
How successful have you been at finding bottom hugging perch? When I’m panning around, I’ve been stopping and watching for areas of the bottom that wiggle or pulse differently than the rest of the bottom around it. I’ve been able to get on top of them a few times that way, but they sure don’t stand out like crappies or roaming trout. I feel I still need to figure out how to be efficient with it. Sometimes I think I’m playing with the foward view too much, thinking about where to drill based on it. The structures and “interesting” spots on the screen usually produce fish, but I Sometimes I think I should just drill like I use to and just enjoy fishing with down view.
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Lakes around me aren't more than 20' deep so I stay in forward view the entire time.....I've noticed that any perch that are worth catching are usually marked really well and you can distinguish them slithering on the bottom pretty easy. Same goes for valley. The perch schools that roam through are rarely stationery for me, it almost seems better finding a corridor through which they travel and try to wait them out rather than chase them on the ice. I am looking forward to boat season as i might be much quicker getting to them if they are 50' out in a given direction.
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Hello all, greetings from Finland.
I must say prices here compared to North America are crazy. In Europe, garmin does not sell newer ice fishing bundle (with 73 cv plus), only older model which is not upgradeable to livescope. And this bundle cost 2499€ -> 2900$. Anyway I bought mine from USA and got new version.
Althought this basic panoptix is awesome, I have started to plan upgrade but livescope transducer and "black box" cost here 1999€ and I do not know if it is worth of that amount of money.
I think I have learned more about ice fishing with panoptix than before in my entire life. It does not only give more fish on ice but I can see how fish act in different time of year and with different lures etc. For example I can see how pike-perches attack from bottom of lake to small fish group and It is easier to decide what lure to use.
It is also interesting to observe nature from different angle.
I am first time poster and english is my third language so apologies of my grammar.
Ville
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Hello all, greetings from Finland.
I must say prices here compared to North America are crazy. In Europe, garmin does not sell newer ice fishing bundle (with 73 cv plus), only older model which is not upgradeable to livescope. And this bundle cost 2499€ -> 2900$. Anyway I bought mine from USA and got new version.
Althought this basic panoptix is awesome, I have started to plan upgrade but livescope transducer and "black box" cost here 1999€ and I do not know if it is worth of that amount of money.
I think I have learned more about ice fishing with panoptix than before in my entire life. It does not only give more fish on ice but I can see how fish act in different time of year and with different lures etc. For example I can see how pike-perches attack from bottom of lake to small fish group and It is easier to decide what lure to use.
It is also interesting to observe nature from different angle.
I am first time poster and english is my third language so apologies of my grammar.
Ville
It is worth it. There is nothing like what livescope offers. Of course it comes at a cost. Don't forget it retails for $1499 in US. I assume the benefits of public transportation and universal healthcare along with EU Vat and import dues make that the 1900E for you.
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Yes that is true we have here (and also in other nordic countries) 24 percent value added tax and it makes panoptix and also services more expensive, but some other things are free.
Should I upgrade or not? If someone who has livescope can tell if he/she can recognize different species with livescope, I would appreciate that. I mean if depht is.. lets say 15 meters and you really can differentiate perches, pike perches and trout from screen. Is it so good? Traditional panoptix show only "blobs" (is that right word lol).
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Pike perch means walleye. My english lol
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There are many videos on YouTube that show how clearly the fish is displayed. Uncut angleing has a video fishing from the boat in fall, the muskies/pike could clearly be identified from other fish, to the point you can see the fins flicking and turning.
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I have seen those videos but those youtubers are more or less garmin connected. Just want to know if someone here has first hand opinion.
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You can tell fish species pretty well, but of course if they are in the same family they'd have to be fairly large to distinguish detail, like perch and walleye. You can absolutely tell Pike from perch and wallet by their body shape, same goes for bass/carp shaped fish. Bigger the fish, the easier it gets to tell. Even in distance, once the ducer focuses on them you can tell a Pike from 40' forwards heading your way. In my opinion, I never fished with panoptix, only livescope, it is worth the premium cost. When new true competing options come out is where it will be possible to truly judge the money value. I have no association with Garmin btw.
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thanks mboss really appreciate your opinions.
Ville
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I have no idea if this thing is worth it but it sure sounds fun. But I can just imagine me telling my wife I spent 2 grand on something to catch fish. "What in the world did you spend $2000 on? Better not be something dumb like hunting or fishing. Please tell me it's jewelry?" I feel like donkey from Shrek, married to a fire breathing dragon.
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I have no idea if this thing is worth it but it sure sounds fun. But I can just imagine me telling my wife I spent 2 grand on something to catch fish. "What in the world did you spend $2000 on? Better not be something dumb like hunting or fishing. Please tell me it's jewelry?" I feel like donkey from Shrek, married to a fire breathing dragon.
Actually...I know that there are many guys who wish they had a wife who was understanding enough to let them go ice fishing at all, even without the $2,000 fish finder. I think those who have wives that are Livescope-friendly are on the far end of the statistical Bell Curve. Count your real blessings!
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How successful have you been at finding bottom hugging perch? When I’m panning around, I’ve been stopping and watching for areas of the bottom that wiggle or pulse differently than the rest of the bottom around it. I’ve been able to get on top of them a few times that way, but they sure don’t stand out like crappies or roaming trout. I feel I still need to figure out how to be efficient with it. Sometimes I think I’m playing with the foward view too much, thinking about where to drill based on it. The structures and “interesting” spots on the screen usually produce fish, but I Sometimes I think I should just drill like I use to and just enjoy fishing with down view.
That's how I found perch this year too...looked for the interesting spots of bottom that appeared to be moving. I like my PS22, but am putting it up for sale locally to see what I can get for it and might upgrade to livescope. Livescope seems like a whole other world when you start thinking about the possibility of using it to find cribs, rock piles, etc.
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Lakes around me aren't more than 20' deep so I stay in forward view the entire time.....I've noticed that any perch that are worth catching are usually marked really well and you can distinguish them slithering on the bottom pretty easy. Same goes for valley. The perch schools that roam through are rarely stationery for me, it almost seems better finding a corridor through which they travel and try to wait them out rather than chase them on the ice. I am looking forward to boat season as i might be much quicker getting to them if they are 50' out in a given direction.
Im usually fishing water so deep I get 30 of cone on each side! As for bottom hugging stuff...I had no problems picking put bullheads last night. Also took some suggestions from one of the posts here...removed the history view. Much better view without it.
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I removed also history display and it really make better view. I also tried "bottom filling" option but I am not so sure if it makes view more readable. It makes display sort of visually better but bottom hugging fish are not so easy to see. Anyway that is just my opinion.
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I removed also history display and it really make better view. I also tried "bottom filling" option but I am not so sure if it makes view more readable. It makes display sort of visually better but bottom hugging fish are not so easy to see. Anyway that is just my opinion.
Agreed, I like how bottom fill looks, but don't like it in practice. I run with history and trails off.
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Finally ordered livescope. Thanks Mboss. Your post pushed me over the edge. Is it worth it? For me it cost 1749€ ~ 1990$. I live in Finland and my work is just basic work. Last month sallory was 2606€ (netto) and I also get 600€ monthly from government because I help my 90 years old mom everyday. (Prepare food, clean etc). So overall it is expensive for me, spent over half om my last month income for that. But anyway I work only 3 days of week and have quite generous amount of freetime. Investing to hobbies is better than just buy beer 😳. Right now I am on holiday from work this month and hope that livescope arrive soon.
Does anyone know how long is operating time if I use livescope with original battery? Of course I must swap battery to bigger later?
Ville
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Finally ordered livescope. Thanks Mboss. Your post pushed me over the edge. Is it worth it? For me it cost 1749€ ~ 1990$. I live in Finland and my work is just basic work. Last month sallory was 2606€ (netto) and I also get 600€ monthly from government because I help my 90 years old mom everyday. (Prepare food, clean etc). So overall it is expensive for me, spent over half om my last month income for that. But anyway I work only 3 days of week and have quite generous amount of freetime. Investing to hobbies is better than just buy beer 😳. Right now I am on holiday from work this month and hope that livescope arrive soon.
Does anyone know how long is operating time if I use livescope with original battery? Of course I must swap battery to bigger later?
Ville
Congrats, you will enjoy it, and can use it year round. I'd switch to lithium right away as far as battery. I get about 4-5 hrs with 10ah lithium at full brightness on the 93sv.
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I went with energized outdoors 12ah lithium, it’s an amazing reduction in weight and it’s the same size as the battery that came with the panoptix kit.
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Congrats, you will enjoy it, and can use it year round. I'd switch to lithium right away as far as battery. I get about 4-5 hrs with 10ah lithium at full brightness on the 93sv.
Im using the stock 12ah and have run a 93cv plus all day on it no issues.
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Im using the stock 12ah and have run a 93cv plus all day on it no issues.
With livescope box? I think there is a difference between just panoptix and livescope energy required
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With livescope box? I think there is a difference between just panoptix and livescope energy required
Without.
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93sv+ Livescope draw is about 1.75a @ 70% screen brightness, 2a @ 100% brightness.
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First test today with livescope. What is highest superlative in english? Stupendeous? Anyway my english is not good enough to describe.
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First test today with livescope. What is highest superlative in english? Stupendeous? Anyway my english is not good enough to describe.
Smokin.....
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First test today with livescope. What is highest superlative in english? Stupendeous? Anyway my english is not good enough to describe.
Right.
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Got to fish the Livescope today.........
MIND BLOWN!
Just... Wow.
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Alright boys I have a garmin echomap 73c ice bundle, what am I needing to spend to get livescope ? This unit will used on the boat as well
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If you price around $1400, maybe a little less. Depending on where you buy it from, some out of state venders don't charge tax, worth working into the equation.
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Time to jam some over time,
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Alright boys I have a garmin echomap 73c ice bundle, what am I needing to spend to get livescope ? This unit will used on the boat as well
Join the Garmin Ice Fishing facebook page. There's a few guys on there selling for much better than retail. Look for Brig Hennesey.
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I dont use any social media
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I dont use any social media
google Hennessey Outdoor Electronics, give him a call.
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Reinert, check your PM's
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Alright boys I have a garmin echomap 73c ice bundle, what am I needing to spend to get livescope ? This unit will used on the boat as well
Make sure your unit is a "plus" unit. If not, it may not work with livescope.
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Well, Garmin keeps pushing pack the livescope units. The guy I ordered from was fed up with Garmin, and cancelled over 100 livescope orders. I don't blame him.
Scheels has a small number of livescope units on hand at the moment, full retail price of $1499.
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Well, Garmin keeps pushing pack the livescope units. The guy I ordered from was fed up with Garmin, and cancelled over 100 livescope orders. I don't blame him.
Scheels has a small number of livescope units on hand at the moment, full retail price of $1499.
I'm not sure they properly anticipated the high demand for the livescope over the winter.
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Sounded to me like a lot of guys that got Panoptix for ice fishing this winter figured out after the purchase, that they should have gotten the Livescope to begin with. I bet there will be a lot of Panoptix transducers for sale cheap before next winter as people make the switch...
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All you panoptix experts have any tips about where to buy?
I own an echomap CHIRP 95sv, and I like the fish finder just fine, it's already a million times better than anything else I've owned. Trouble is my main goal is making bathymetry maps, and the tight grid I have to use in mapping is making it impractical for a lot of my target lakes. I want to buy a PS30, but the cheapest I saw was a Cabelas' clearance for $1500CAD, still 50% more than I paid for the unit itself.
Anyone have advice about where one can be had used, or clearance, or home-made, or something?!?
(I'll give Hennessey Outdoor Electronics a try right now...)
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Sounded to me like a lot of guys that got Panoptix for ice fishing this winter figured out after the purchase, that they should have gotten the Livescope to begin with. I bet there will be a lot of Panoptix transducers for sale cheap before next winter as people make the switch...
I disagree. For my fishing Id gain nothing in upgrading, other than more components and weight. Ive also heard complaints about livescope and deep water...
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I’m happy with the Echomap Chirp and PS22-TR (for now). But, not being able to zoom in to a desired depth has been a problem. Can you zoom to a desired depth with the Echomap Plus units with Panoptix? LiveScope?
Just an FYI…..The new Echomap Ultra units will not require the black box for LiveScope.
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Ive also heard complaints about livescope and deep water...
Experienced it....
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Details please on depth issues
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Probably not an issue for most but we were in 95' of water and it couldn't find and lock onto the bottom...
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I’m happy with the Echomap Chirp and PS22-TR (for now). But, not being able to zoom in to a desired depth has been a problem. Can you zoom to a desired depth with the Echomap Plus units with Panoptix? LiveScope?
Just an FYI…..The new Echomap Ultra units will not require the black box for LiveScope.
No, you cannot zoom on the Echomap units. A future software update *may* enable it.
And you're wrong, the Ultra units still require the black box for the full Livescope LVS32. They do not for the narrower beam LVS12.
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No, you cannot zoom on the Echomap units. A future software update *may* enable it.
Perhaps that applies to Panoptix / Livescope, but EchoMAP zoom works perfectly with skimmer and ice transducers.
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Perhaps that applies to Panoptix / Livescope, but EchoMAP zoom works perfectly with skimmer and ice transducers.
That's true, but he specifically asked about panoptix/Livescope :)
The plus has awesome touch zoom, especially in the flasher mode with the adjustable zoom on the left side of the screen, flasher in the middle, and whole water column on the right! :)
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Probably not an issue for most but we were in 95' of water and it couldn't find and lock onto the bottom...
A majority of my time spent ice fishing is jigging lakers so that is a deal breaker for me. It took a bunch of trial and error but I can mark my jig in 100 fow with the ps22.
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I found my livescope marked fish very well to approximately 60 feet.
Beyond that it did OK, but still marked the bottom contours well to over 100 feet.
I found that scouting the bottom contours was very useful to find structure.
I would love to have the zoom feature in a software update.
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I’m happy with the Echomap Chirp and PS22-TR (for now). But, not being able to zoom in to a desired depth has been a problem. Can you zoom to a desired depth with the Echomap Plus units with Panoptix? LiveScope?
Just in case you missed it, the latest software update enables pinch-to-zoom for livescope and panoptix!
https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=4749