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Offline Osmeridae King

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Are smelts illegal based according to one law
« on: Jan 28, 2008, 04:44 PM »
Heard someone arguing over this recently, Food for thought about maine laws.  According to this one maine law and statute smelts are illegal as bait since in their goal to exclude them from other Bait fish they aren't defined in 10001 subsection 6.  You might have thought that was just a list for baitfish wholesalers but eels are on the list and that takes a whole separate license to harvest you decide here you go.

From  http://janus.state.me.us/legis/statutes/12/title12sec12553.html
and http://janus.state.me.us/legis/statutes/12/title12sec10001.html

§12553. Selling, using or possessing baitfish
 
      1. Selling, using or possessing unlawful baitfish.[2003, c. 614, §9 (aff); c. 655, Pt. B, §262 (rp); §422 (aff).]
 
      1-A. Unlawfully selling, using or possessing baitfish. Except as provided in this subsection and for baitfish as defined in section 10001, subsection 6, a person may not:
   
A. Sell or offer for sale fish as bait for the purpose of fishing; or [2003, c. 655, Pt. B, §263 (new); §422 (aff).]
 
   
B. Use or possess fish as bait for the purpose of fishing. [2003, c. 655, Pt. B, §263 (new); §422 (aff).]
 

§10001. Definitions
6. Baitfish. "Baitfish" means only those species in the following list:
   
A. Lake chub, (Couesius plumbeus); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
B. Eastern silvery minnow, (Hybognathus regius); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
C. Golden shiner, (Notemigonus crysoleucas); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
D. Emerald shiner, (Notropis atherinoides); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
E. Bridle shiner, (Notropis bifrenatus); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
F. Common shiner, (Luxilus cornutus); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
G. Blacknose shiner, (Notropis heterolepis); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
H. Spottail shiner, (Notropis hudsonius); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
I. Northern redbelly dace, (Phoxinus eos); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
J. Finescale dace, (Phoxinus neogaeus); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
K. Fathead minnow, (Pimephales promelas); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
L. Blacknose dace, (Rhinichthys atratulus); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
M. Longnose dace, (Rhinichthys cataractae); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
N. Creek chub, (Semotilus atromaculatus); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
O. Fallfish, (Semotilus corporalis); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
P. Pearl dace, (Margariscus margarita); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
Q. Banded killifish, (Fundulus diaphanus); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
R. Mummichog, (Fundulus heteroclitus); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
S. Longnose sucker, (Catostomus catostomus); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
T. White sucker, (Catostomus commersoni); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
U. Creek chubsucker, (Erimyzon oblongus); [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
V. American eel, (Anquilla rostrata); and [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
   
W. Blackchin shiner, (Notropis heterodon). [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 
[2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (new); c. 614, §9 (aff).]
 


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Re: Are smelts illegal based according to one law
« Reply #1 on: Jan 28, 2008, 05:00 PM »
I just want to clarify that they are obviously meant to be legal it is just the poor law making at its finest, since there are laws and licenses to sell smelts as bait.

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Re: Are smelts illegal based according to one law
« Reply #2 on: Jan 28, 2008, 05:03 PM »
thanks for the pointer, but i just looked at the law book that they hand out and the following is what it said
Live Bait Restrictions. The following are legal baitfish for fishing: Smelt, Lake chub, Eastern silvery minnow, Golden shiner, Emerald shiner, Bridle shiner, Common shiner, Blacknose shiner, Spottail shiner, Northern redbelly dace, Finescale dace, Fathead minnow, Blacknose dace, Longnose dace, Creek chub, Fallfish, Pearl dace, Banded killifish, Mummichog, Longnose sucker, White sucker, Creek chubsucker, and American eel. Any species of fish not listed above may not be used as bait for fishing in inland waters.

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Re: Are smelts illegal based according to one law
« Reply #3 on: Jan 28, 2008, 05:14 PM »
I know that the rule book includes smelts, thats what its supposed to be.  But the laws excluding smelts I quoted were passed by all our represenatives in state government we trust so much.  But yes atleast the rulebook makes since and at least the Department of inland fisheries and wildlife has common sense, but in a vaccum away from culture and tradition the laws say things differently.  I just wanted to throw it out there.  No one be scared.

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Re: Are smelts illegal based according to one law
« Reply #4 on: Jan 28, 2008, 05:23 PM »
I was gettin scared that seadog had changed his name.... ;D



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Re: Are smelts illegal based according to one law
« Reply #5 on: Jan 28, 2008, 05:40 PM »
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Re: Are smelts illegal based according to one law
« Reply #6 on: Jan 28, 2008, 05:41 PM »
I just don't get why they make laws that don't make sense.  How hard is it to type smelt in as a legal fish when you are writing a law banning all fish other than the ones you mention.  It ruins fishing for everyone.

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Re: Are smelts illegal based according to one law
« Reply #7 on: Jan 28, 2008, 06:02 PM »
Smelt are classified as a Maine gamefish, not a minnow. Then you have Marine fish,
also you have other bait, like worms, frogs, crickets, salamanders, Miskito, that are not covered.  ::)
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Re: Are smelts illegal based according to one law
« Reply #8 on: Jan 28, 2008, 06:07 PM »
Smelt are classified as a Maine gamefish, not a minnow. Then you have Marine fish,
also you have other bait, like worms, frogs, crickets, salamanders, Miskito, that are not covered.  ::)



Easy there DTB, he's just getting use to smelts as legal bait. All those other ones are really going to mess him up. ;D ;D

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Re: Are smelts illegal based according to one law
« Reply #9 on: Jan 28, 2008, 06:12 PM »
The other bait are not fish and the only fish legal as bait are "baitfish" defined exclusive of smelts which are as dadstacklebox points out gamefish, but apparently that was inadvertantly forgotten. Since they didn;t include it.  Of course these laws are spevifivally meant for freshwater bait uses.  I've always treated smelts as legal bait, its the lawmakers that seem to have been confused in what they were suggesting.  And are specifically allowed to be sold under the bait laws and the rule book its just a clash due to not paying attention to what is being written.

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Re: Are smelts illegal based according to one law
« Reply #10 on: Jan 28, 2008, 06:27 PM »
Gee, I'm not confused!  I understand the law.  Its pretty plain to me.  Baitfish are listed.... and smelt are smelt!  Legal bait include both .... the end!!

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Re: Are smelts illegal based according to one law
« Reply #11 on: Jan 28, 2008, 06:35 PM »
Obviously true they are both legal.  But 12553. Selling, using or possessing baitfish.  only allows baitfish, and of course smelts are smelts and not "baitfish".  I only mean to add a little humor to reading the odd laws on the books.  Smelts are definitely legal!!!! in the end.

 



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