Bubbler Petition

[icebuck]

A woman in Brant Lake has started this petition to regulate bubblers after her grandson's dog drowned.

Ice anglers should find this interesting.

https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/regulations-for-winter-ice-eaters-bubblers-on-our-waterways?source=facebook&&fbclid=IwAR20FdJk4W9OfQVnJ5oY3_AxVo4lzBJoZaN_eTRZgePgdw1HL9ErjofdSv8

[Adironzach]

That's an easy thing to sign. ban all the ice eaters 

[trapper2000]

first this  is  opinion and  no  way reflects the opinion of  iceshanty or it's  employees ....ice  bubblers protect  property these are  the home owners  that  will be calling town legislators to stop parking if  we   upset them ...they are protecting  their  docks  (legally)  i'm sorry  about the  dog  but  isn't there a  thing called a  leash law? i think the people  that live  on brant lake and  pay taxes  are  going to win this  fight  .... a new  dock  can  cost thousands and  thousands  a  leash  for a  dog a  few  dollars....common since

[icebuck]

I see your points Frogger, but please consider other anglers and locations, and especially at public access locations. There are two places I fish with public access that would benefit all ice anglers from this proposed 300/20-foot regulation. One is iffy as I write this, and solely because of bubblers. This is the case year after year and the intentions of the dock owner(s) are routinely questioned. I'm sure there are other situations like this across NY and the Northeast. 

[lowaccord66]

Signed.  Thanks for sharing. 

[egriffin70]

As a lake George fisherman,  I will gladly sign this. 

[BeenPerchin315]

It’s simple people run the bubblers to be lazy and have never been told no. There is a person fighting for there house over this issue dec mandated the home owner remove it. I beleive dec had to remove. It was aimed at the launch and not under the dock.
Homeowner put another one back. Please remember that no one owns the lake/river/creek banks or bottom so at the end of the day anyone with a bubbler is breaking the law by having equipment set up on not there property. My thoughts and opinions. I’ll sign tho I don’t fish anywhere it effects me.
Where’s the paperwork

[Raquettedacker]

Done..👍

[Fishmon]

Had the misfortune of going through the ice on Lake George back in the 80s when I walked across an area that had refrozen approximately an inch thick about 150 feet from a dock.  The ice eater had shut off due to a power failure and the open water refroze.  The main lake ice was well over a foot thick with hardly any snow on it.  We had an inch or two of new snow so the refrozen area was indistinguishable from the main lake ice.  I went through in about 10 feet of water.  I was super lucky and got both of my arms on thick edge and got right back on ice.  Guys I was fishing with said I came out like a Polaris missile.   It was really cold and I looked like a snow cone before I got back to vehicle.   Not a recommended experience.   

I feel sorry for  the lady from Brant lake and I do think there is some liability for lake front owners that operate these devices.   Some of the ice eaters will open up to100 yards of water and undermine ice that was thick.  My main issue is use of these devices around public access areas where adjacent owners intentionally direct the device toward the access points.  That is being total irresponsible.  Be safe around these areas.

[Fishracks]

Signed it 👍

[iceman260]

Signed.

[flukeman]

This reaks of the trailer hitch law. Someone not paying attention to their dog was the problem. Just like the lawmaker not paying attention to where she was walking when she banged her shin on the hitch. We should not be fixing stupid with laws.

Now I can see not being able to erode ice around a public access. But we have many big boat harbors around central NY that you cant pull docks because they are peirs.. I am definitely not in favor of banning them, so I will wait to see what the final bill looks like.

[Chase88]

first this  is  opinion and  no  way reflects the opinion of  iceshanty or it's  employees ....ice  bubblers protect  property these are  the home owners  that  will be calling town legislators to stop parking if  we   upset them ...they are protecting  their  docks  (legally)  i'm sorry  about the  dog  but  isn't there a  thing called a  leash law? i think the people  that live  on brant lake and  pay taxes  are  going to win this  fight  .... a new  dock  can  cost thousands and  thousands  a  leash  for a  dog a  few  dollars....common since
[/quote    World of difference between ice eaters and bubblers...I have no problem with bubblers but ice eaters should be banned. They destroy more docks than they help because the ice breaks away much earlier than normal and when the flows start bouncing around and destroys shorelines along with docks.  Lake George has a big war against invasives, but they allow underwater fans to blow stuff all over. Crazy when they are set up next to mats trying to kill the weed. A lot of the dock owners with the big ice eaters are doing it to keep people away not to save a dock. One knuckle head in Bolton did even have a dock. Just a matter of time before someone drowns and it goes to court.

[trapper2000]

we  have lost members that walked into a  bubbler  and  drowned ...i'm not  sure  but i  don't think the  dock owner  was held liable ,you start telling land  owners  they have  to  pull docks  to  suit ice fisherman i see  parking and  access  being lost fast! remember we park on the  roads  that their towns operate i see no parking signs going up  i see  posted  signs   and in truth  all  thats needed is a little common sence on the  part of ice  fisherman  and  use a spud  around  docks

[river_scum]

 

[lowaccord66]

I feel sorry for  the lady from Brant lake and I do think there is some liability for lake front owners that operate these devices.   Some of the ice eaters will open up to100 yards of water and undermine ice that was thick.  My main issue is use of these devices around public access areas where adjacent owners intentionally direct the device toward the access points.  That is being total irresponsible.  Be safe around these areas.

Guy next to vets memorial park...same thing happened.  Dog drown.  Guy has been told not to point at the access, does it anyways.  Has no dock either.  Im all for that being stopped.

[Chase88]

People need to be responsible for their own actions on any ice formation.... any time a person goes on ice they should realize there are gas holes, uneven formation of ice, streams coming in, springs under the ice, etc ..... even area's around docks and/or fallen tree's w/o bubblers are dangerous.  There are no safe ice conditions - people that don't know and don't take the proper precautions that will fall thru.  I'm assuming this petition is more about lake access than safety though......

It is about safety ... those ice eaters can make it unsafe for a huge area around dock. The lake is owned by the people of the state and not dock owners ....

[HWeber]

Unbelievable folks would sign such a poorly written petition.

[mpike2day]

we  have lost members that walked into a  bubbler  and  drowned ...i'm not  sure  but i  don't think the  dock owner  was held liable ,you start telling land  owners  they have  to  pull docks  to  suit ice fisherman i see  parking and  access  being lost fast! remember we park on the  roads  that their towns operate i see no parking signs going up  i see  posted  signs   and in truth  all  thats needed is a little common sence on the  part of ice  fisherman  and  use a spud  around  docks

I agree.

[river_scum]

Must be an Indiana thing ..... save it for your own midwest folks. 

haha no its a freedom thing bra.  i have seen a few around here but not many.  most just remove their docks.



maybe they should just mark them with a flag.  then they could save the docks and the fishermen. 

[tj_cubin]

Unbelievable folks would sign such a poorly written petition.

Just a tip: if you are petitioning your representatives, look up how to spell their name first.

[Neil McCauley]

don't invite the man into your life

[HWeber]

totally agree .....

This petition is inviting the man into your life.... .

[perch chacer]

My property, my choice!

[BeenPerchin315]

My property, my choice!

Just know that once you leave shore you are on state property

[icebuck]

You are correct ..... I just wish that a lot of the people that use that state land didn't leave behind so much trash for the land owners to clean up, and treat the land around the lakes, and the lakes themselves with more respect.  I've picked up enough trash on "our" lake in the last 20 years to fill a landfill. Thats partly why I'm willing to cut the bubbler people some slack if the action of protecting their dock also keeps people off in the winter. Between the paper and plastics and empty propane containers and bottles of motor oil and cigarettes and cigars (and resulting areas of spittle) and piles of feces, its a mess out there after most days of fishing ...... Certainly there are an awful lot of good fisherman that take all their crap off the ice, in addition to crap other people leave, but it only takes a handful to ruin things for everyone ....... If I had to guess, I bet that plays a huge part in it.

All valid points, no doubt. But should the ethical anglers be punished for what the knuckleheads do? I feel that no more than 20 feet of water around a dock and nothing within 300 feet of a public access location is not too much to ask. It's not like the municipalities that regulate bubblers are banning them, they're just asking for some flexibility.

[sgdhaf]

There is a town ordnance on one of the bays I fish, docks with bubblers must have  a flashing yellow warning light. The lights are visible 24/7.

[IcefisherSteve]

We have 3 ice eaters we use for waterfowl hunting. Hunting season is over by the time ice fishing is going so never been a problem. Also we use ours in swamp and ponds 

[trapper2000]

isn't it funny, we  have  ice to  fish on  so these  threads  go  to the way side

[mike304]

don't invite the man into your life

I would add to this " or you get what you deserve"