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I live within walking distance of where you are standing mike I fish these lakes and we catch some nice tigers and once in a while perch. We, in the past, have done extremely well on crappies through the ice. We regularly catch a few 12"+ crappies in the spring and once in a while 16"+ in the spring. I know the fish cannot leave just a matter of finding them. The DEC guy I talked to was stalking a massive load of walleyes this spring and taking the pure breed musky eggs to hatch in chatauqa which is saying something seeing as though chatauqua has some of the best musky fishing in the country. Whenever a few of us are willing to drill ALOT of holes to try and find the PLENTIFUL panfish that reside in these lakes let me know I am down. I do agree they are tough to find but they are there. I really want to fish the Lily Dale lake some more as I have caught some real nice perch 10" up to 14" at other times of the year and in good numbers. You may feel like quitting ice fishing after dragging through the snow we get here but to tangle with a 32"+ tiger musky (which are in season and plentiful here) may make all the dragging and time seem worth it. Get back to me I love these lakes.