Sorry about that. I don't like HT rods anyway. They are cheap. I have an HT spinning rod that has the action of a pool cue. I am looking for a baitcaster myself. I like ST. Croix, but I don't think they make baitcasting ice rods. Berkley makes a Lightning Ice Baitcaster, but It is very hard to find, even on the internet. Of course, If I won the lottery, I would just buy a Thorne Bros.