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Title: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: LoneWolf on Nov 13, 2006, 08:43 AM

Hopefully this will answer all questions ... it's directly from Tanaka's website :  ;D

Q. How can Tanaka Perfect Mix® accommodate my other brands of power equipment that require a different ratio than 50:1?
A. Oil is a blend of components. The bulk of it is a base stock, which is oil, but its primary purpose is not to lubricate, but rather to blend with, and carry, additives that provide specific functions. The most important additive is the one that provides the lubricity. Some people refer to this additive as "bright-stock".  The base oil also can blend with and carry other additives designed to accomplish different things. For example, quality oils have an additive that helps maintain the integrity of the gasoline should it be stored as mixed fuel for extended periods. Another additive may help reduce exhaust smoke. 

Oil took on a marketing theme many years ago. A company who made brand A product also sells oil. How do they protect their oil business and prevent customers from buying the competitors oil? Let's say for the sake of argument that an oil blend requires X amount of the lubricity additive to adequately run an engine. The manufacturer would then formulate an oil blend with the amount of additives to reach that level when mixed at the odd ratio they prescribe for their product. As you've seen, there are 16:1, 25:1, 32:1, 40:1 42:1, 50:1, etc. However, if you analyzed these oils, you'd find very similar amounts of the actual ingredients needed to provide the life allowing lubricity (even at these odd ratios). This has been a very effective way of convincing a customer who bought a unit requiring two cycle oil to buy their brand of oil. Who wants to take a chance on a $500 machine?? If it says 42:1, the customer assumes he needs to seek out a 42:1 oil.

Tanaka Perfect Mix® is what's referred to as a one-mix oil. The oil is formulated so that when mixed at 50:1, or 2.6 ounces per gallon of fuel, it contains enough of the life-giving additives to work in any of these engines. Additionally, it goes a long way in simplifying the mixing of the oil with the self measuring bottle. There are other one-mix types of oil that mix at a ratio of 100:1. Most people would look at that and think that there simply isn't enough oil to allow the engine to survive, but again, it's not the amount of base stock that is the important issue. It's what is contained within the blend. Their blend has higher percentage of the additive than does an oil that mixes at 25:1.

One consideration to all of this is that some engines are simply not well made. Typically products sold through mass-merchandisers such as Wal-Mart, Home Depot, etc. sell products designed for very low performance and limited engine life. They differ considerably in construction, using stamped connecting rods, non-plated cylinders, bushings where bearings belong, etc. These engines will not survive for extended periods with any oil - they're simply not designed to. In many cases, if a customer gets less than 50 hours of operation from such an engine, then the product has met the objective of the manufacturer. Oil cannot overcome quality / design issues to that extent.

This can be a very confusing situation, and the engine industry has to take the blame for complicating the issue. We would like to take a little credit for simplifying it.


Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Grizzly1 on Dec 04, 2006, 07:58 PM
Thank You LoneWolf for your undying commitment to our sport and the product insight/research you provide ;)

-Grizz
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Walltrout on Dec 05, 2006, 10:48 AM
Thanks for the info.  Being fairly new to using 2-cycle engines, this answered some of the questions I had.

Waltrout
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Zee on Dec 07, 2006, 10:23 AM
I am a huge fan of Opti-2 at 100:1. Less smoke, higher revs.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: LoneWolf on Dec 11, 2006, 05:48 PM



Thank you Grizz .. I just try to help when I can.  :)

I am a huge fan of Opti-2 at 100:1. Less smoke, higher revs.

I originally used the Opti-2 a few years back but switched to the Amsoil Saber. The Saber does the same .. less smoke, higher revs and less oil out of the muffler. I've used alot of the Amsoil products for years .. synthetic motor oil, gear oil, trans fluid, etc. and have found them to be a superior product so I decided to go with the Saber last season and I'm very happy with it.


 
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: akdg on Dec 11, 2006, 06:05 PM
There's some good info!  Makes alot of sense the way they explained it.  Thanks for the lesson LW!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: comp on Dec 15, 2006, 05:43 AM
So basically, with todays synthetics we can easily take an old engine that requires a 24:1 ratio and run a 50:1 in that engine with the proper lubrication?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: LoneWolf on Dec 15, 2006, 06:01 AM
So basically, with todays synthetics we can easily take an old engine that requires a 24:1 ratio and run a 50:1 in that engine with the proper lubrication?

Yes you could run 50:1, 75:1 or 100:1 in an older engine that originally required 25:1 as long as the oil states it can be ran at those ratios.. It should rev higher, have less smoke and less oil coming from the muffler.



Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: comp on Dec 15, 2006, 06:14 AM
Thanks Lonewolf!!!  Last year I run AMS Oil at 50:1 and noticed the revs increase and less smoke.  I was afraid of not enough lube, as you now the saying" it runs the best just before she blows".
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: bushbunny on Dec 15, 2006, 06:33 AM
I have run Opti2 at 100:1 in my 20 year old Tanaka engine for at least 15 years.  It revs between 7 & 8000 rpm.  The manual calls for a 25:1 blend.  Like Lonewolf says, current technology provides the required lubrication at a far leaner ratio.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: oldken on Dec 15, 2006, 07:28 AM
i ran 50;1 oil in my old strikemaster auger and blew up the engine?????????? the oil was sold under the
huskavarna name
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: LoneWolf on Dec 15, 2006, 07:39 AM
i ran 50;1 oil in my old strikemaster auger and blew up the engine?????????? the oil was sold under the
huskavarna name

Are you sure the oil was rated 50:1 or higher ? If it was a standard 24:1 oil it would have been too lean. Also the engine could have had problems not even related to the oil or ratio you were using.
Keep in mind that if the engine has existing problems the newer oils aren't going to fix them ... these are not miracle oils.




Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Walltrout on Dec 15, 2006, 03:22 PM
... these are not miracle oils.



Where can I get some of these miracle oils you are talking about.  I have some things that need fixin.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: gamefisher on Dec 15, 2006, 04:46 PM
If you do choose to deviate from what the product tells you, (ie an old Jiffy at 24/1) and are just not sure, pull your plug and have a look.  Should be a nice tan color, if it's white, you've got problems and are too lean.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mech12 on Dec 21, 2006, 08:43 AM
  just curious as to what happened to my post yesterday
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: WalkOnWater on Dec 25, 2006, 06:26 PM
I just ordered some Amsoil Saber. My question is about break in. Do I need to break the motor in with regular oil or can I start out with the Saber. I see a lot of posts about starting out with regular oil and then switching. If the oil is better wouldn't it also be ok for break in. Possibly break it in at 50 to 1.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: LoneWolf on Dec 26, 2006, 08:48 AM

When I had contacted Amsoil with this question last year they had replied that I could use the Amsoil at 100:1 immediately. They said that wear is going to occur eventually because of moving parts so the myth about breaking in the engines parts, seating the valves and the rings is just a myth. If anything you are protecting the engine sooner which is a good thing.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: trapperdirk on Dec 26, 2006, 10:13 AM
I started my new Nils off on the Opti 2 at the regular mixture of 100-1 . Might be a tad richer but I personally didn't buy into all the talk of seating rings blah blah blah using regular oil either . I honestly can't say either way though but if the stuff is good why bother using the other stuff first . ???

                           TD
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Waubay Fisher on Dec 26, 2006, 10:44 PM
I started my new Nils off on the Opti 2 at the regular mixture of 100-1 . Might be a tad richer but I personally didn't buy into all the talk of seating rings blah blah blah using regular oil either . I honestly can't say either way though but if the stuff is good why bother using the other stuff first . ???

                           TD

I read this post and another one like it and it really made me wonder why I didn't do the exact same thing?  ??? I broke mine in using the regular Jiffy oil figuring since it was 'natural' it would be a better break-in.  After the first full tank of that I switched to Opti2 and haven't gone back since.  I guess that is what happens when you believe everything you read and a guy doesn't do a little research on his own too.

My next question would be is I wonder if I had broken-in with Opti-2 or Amisol versus natural, if my performance/max life on the powerhead would be increased by having started with a good synthetic?  My guess is it wouldn't matter a whole lot.  Maybe a lot less smoke/exhaust fumes the first go around??  Any other takers on this?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: trapperdirk on Dec 28, 2006, 01:27 AM
I read this post and another one like it and it really made me wonder why I didn't do the exact same thing?  ??? I broke mine in using the regular Jiffy oil figuring since it was 'natural' it would be a better break-in.  After the first full tank of that I switched to Opti2 and haven't gone back since.  I guess that is what happens when you believe everything you read and a guy doesn't do a little research on his own too.

My next question would be is I wonder if I had broken-in with Opti-2 or Amisol versus natural, if my performance/max life on the powerhead would be increased by having started with a good synthetic?  My guess is it wouldn't matter a whole lot.  Maybe a lot less smoke/exhaust fumes the first go around??  Any other takers on this?


I'll take that one on WF .

 My jiffy always had the other oils run through it till I found out about Opti2 and Amsoil . It ran good for those years but now it just rocks and roars like it has another life on steriods.

 I won't see it in my day or lift time that it burns out even though I used other oils in it for some years before but lots will have to do because I switched to OPTI 2  now. I won't go through plugs ,pull cords ,carb jobs etc that I may have if I didn't switch but thats my thoughts.

 My Nils starting off got Opti 2 and Amsoil will do same and it will outlive me even if I can still fire her up at 100 yrs old . I'm that confident in those mixtures of these oil additives . All my rigging has perked up that much more once I switched and no smoke or oil residue at exhaust either . 100-1 sounds scary but heah all you need to do is run this additive and you will know . Theres a reason even my baby spitfire john deere has it in the tank and its a free air sled and collectors item and mint..I dont own a two stroke that doesn't have it in the tank and I like one mix does all . I do all out of ONE and the same can .

 I think I switched 3 years or more ago and my small motors don't ever sound like they are labouring and just run SSSSSSSSSMMMMMOOOOOOOO OOOTH .

                                        TD
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ice dawg on Dec 28, 2006, 07:11 AM
I used to use mixes of 24-1, 32-1. 40-1, and 50-1 for all the 2 strokes that I own. Now I use 100-1 in all of them and I have an over abundance of gas cans in my garage and my wife will be confused for ever.  ::) I have a friend that is a mechanic and he says there is really no such thing as breaking an engine in. He says they are wearing out from the first time that you start them and all you can help them do is wear out the right way. Makes sense to me. They used to say that synthetic oils are too slippery to let rings seat right, but there are lots of manufacturers that ship new engines with synthetic oil. My new outboard has been running a synthetic blend since day one and that is what the factory recommends.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Waubay Fisher on Dec 28, 2006, 07:59 AM
I'll take that one on WF .

 My jiffy always had the other oils run through it till I found out about Opti2 and Amsoil . It ran good for those years but now it just rocks and roars like it has another life on steriods.

 I won't see it in my day or lift time that it burns out even though I used other oils in it for some years before but lots will have to do because I switched to OPTI 2  now. I won't go through plugs ,pull cords ,carb jobs etc that I may have if I didn't switch but thats my thoughts.

 My Nils starting off got Opti 2 and Amsoil will do same and it will outlive me even if I can still fire her up at 100 yrs old . I'm that confident in those mixtures of these oil additives . All my rigging has perked up that much more once I switched and no smoke or oil residue at exhaust either . 100-1 sounds scary but heah all you need to do is run this additive and you will know . Theres a reason even my baby spitfire john deere has it in the tank and its a free air sled and collectors item and mint..I dont own a two stroke that doesn't have it in the tank and I like one mix does all . I do all out of ONE and the same can .

 I think I switched 3 years or more ago and my small motors don't ever sound like they are labouring and just run SSSSSSSSSMMMMMOOOOOOOO OOOTH .

                                        TD

I figured it wouldn't make a whole lot of difference, based on your opinion maybe mine is right.  One thing is for sure, I definitely won't use nothing but Opti2 anymore.  I hardly have any oil spit, same with exhaust.  I do still get that smell and what not a little bit, but not near as bad and I don't have to deal with that white smoke at least.  I can't remember if mine ran poorer performance wise with the natural mix when I first got it or not.  All I remember is it was brand new and she got the job done QUICK :).  I do know that right now my auger does run nice and smooth, especially after I just adjusted the idle a little bit.  Opti-2, YOU GOT THE RIGHT ONE BAAABBBBYYYY!!!  ;D ;D ;D

I used to use mixes of 24-1, 32-1. 40-1, and 50-1 for all the 2 strokes that I own. Now I use 100-1 in all of them and I have an over abundance of gas cans in my garage and my wife will be confused for ever.  ::) I have a friend that is a mechanic and he says there is really no such thing as breaking an engine in. He says they are wearing out from the first time that you start them and all you can help them do is wear out the right way. Makes sense to me. They used to say that synthetic oils are too slippery to let rings seat right, but there are lots of manufacturers that ship new engines with synthetic oil. My new outboard has been running a synthetic blend since day one and that is what the factory recommends.

Bob, I've read somewhere the same that you commented too - as far as people used to believe synthetics didn't help to break in right.  Maybe that was something I read here awhile back?  I can't remember, point being I remember reading it somewhere  ;D.  I think with all the manufacturers shipping motors with them now that it proves they're a safe bet.  BTW - I'm heading out shortly to go fishing  ;D

Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: sled-in on Dec 28, 2006, 01:01 PM
This sounds like a infomercal with all these testmonials ;D, opti2- it comes in a tube right? how big of a batch of gas do you have to mix?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ice dawg on Dec 28, 2006, 02:35 PM
I buy Amsoil Saber Professional 100-1 in an 8 oz bottle and they have it at NAPA stores or can get it for you. I usually mix two gallons at a time.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: bushbunny on Dec 28, 2006, 07:18 PM
Both Opti2 & Amsoil Sabre come in "pillow paks" that mix one US gallon, or in Canada 5 litres.  No infomercials, but reality from us old folk, who have been there and done that. ;) ;D  Trapper, the "rice rocket" should make a scared badger look slow when it comes to digging, EH!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Fishin Fireman on Jan 02, 2007, 02:33 PM
When I first bought my Eskimo last year I was using the strikemaster smokeless @ 24:1 ??? (Tecumseh's oil ratio recommendation in the Eskimo manual) When I took my machine in for some warranty work this fall, they found the cylinder was scorred and not the piston. The first question they asked at the repair shop was "what kind of oil are you using"? I told them it was the strikemaster but then swithed to the Tanaka later on. I got a whole new engine from Tecumseh and they guys at the repair shop said Tanaka was really good and I should run the mix with the Tanaka oil @50:1 I still get some oil out the exhaust but not many people are running their augers at extreme temperatures like we do.

Brad
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: fish_boy on Jan 28, 2007, 02:41 PM
Does any one know where I can find Opti2 & Amsoil Sabre oil up in the Toronto, Ontario area?

Thanks
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: LoneWolf on Feb 05, 2007, 07:39 AM

There seems to be alot of questions regarding these two cycle oil products. Although I'm not an engineer I did research both products about a year and a half ago.
Both these products achieve the same goal but thru different methods. They both reduce smoke and oil out the exhaust. They both produce higher revving engines and protect engine parts. They both allow a standard mix of down to 100:1 . The way in which they achieve this is where they differ.

According to Paul at Lube International (Opti 2 .. about a year ago) they work on a molecular level. They use a regular oil with additives that are supposed to molecularly adhere with the moving parts. As the high friction parts get hot and deform the additives are supposed to adhere and then when the parts cool return to their original shape.

According to Amsoil the Saber product works from a sythetic base stock oil. This oil has a much higher flash point, a much lower pour point and keeps moving parts properly lubed. This synthetic base stock oil keeps a film or barrier in between moving parts to prevent friction and at the same time providing lubrication. Again this comes down to a molecular level of lubrication.


Again I'm not a scientist or engineer. I obtained these " simplified " explanations from the manufacturers.



Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Wolf Point on Feb 19, 2007, 09:01 AM
Where can I get Opti-2 and Opti-4 in a "user friendly" quantity  ;D, something less that a lifetime supply. Everywhere I spot it on web it is being sold in the gallon+ quantity.  ???
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: bushbunny on Feb 19, 2007, 08:36 PM
Google Interlube International.  You will get a toll free number and they will inform you of your nearest supplier.  The "pillowpaks" that do a gallon at a time are the best, because then you always have fresh fuel.  You can also get a 2 gallon pillowpak.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: snopro31 on Feb 19, 2007, 09:24 PM
i run my jiffy at 24:1 with arctic cat 2stroke oil.  i ran out of everything else and saw that i had some snowmobile oil so i thought i would try it.  i have to admit it was the best smell that came out of the jiffy.  since i ride my snowmobile lots i dont mind the smell of 2stroke smoke and the smoke that comes out.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Mar 05, 2007, 08:15 PM
i wouldn't recommend that, because injector oil is different than premix oil.  look at the amsoil website under their two stroke products :-X
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: snopro31 on Mar 07, 2007, 09:43 PM
its run better since i put the arctic cat oil in.  it even starts on th first pull and warms up faster.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Mainehazmt on Oct 06, 2007, 08:30 AM
I think   though not 100% sure   if the oil meets ASTM standards  any work
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Oct 06, 2007, 11:04 AM
AMSOIL!!!!!!!!  NUFF SAID!!!
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atp.aspx (http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atp.aspx)  :tipup:
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: BottomDweller on Oct 06, 2007, 11:26 AM
When I first bought my Eskimo last year I was using the strikemaster smokeless @ 24:1 ??? (Tecumseh's oil ratio recommendation in the Eskimo manual) When I took my machine in for some warranty work this fall, they found the cylinder was scorred and not the piston. The first question they asked at the repair shop was "what kind of oil are you using"? I told them it was the strikemaster but then swithed to the Tanaka later on. I got a whole new engine from Tecumseh and they guys at the repair shop said Tanaka was really good and I should run the mix with the Tanaka oil @50:1 I still get some oil out the exhaust but not many people are running their augers at extreme temperatures like we do.

Brad

i'd say in my area we experience a lot of those "extreme temperatures."  in our case, would you guys still recommend the 100:1  mixes?  and you use this mixture on outboard boat motors, too, huh?  this is an interesting thread - thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Oct 06, 2007, 11:35 AM
I run mine 80:1 with the amsoil sabre, (click link from previous post) but close enough to the 100:1, just because I leave mine in my storage unit and it is unheated, and the motor is stone cold when I start it, but the guy I buy my amsoil from, the local dealer, he showed me all the data for that sabre, and its incredible what kind of lubrication it can do at all extremes of temp and engine type!  My jiffy never ran better, doesn't bog, no smoke, no smelling like crap from the exhaust, and power  ;D
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ice dawg on Oct 06, 2007, 12:11 PM
i'd say in my area we experience a lot of those "extreme temperatures."  in our case, would you guys still recommend the 100:1  mixes?  and you use this mixture on outboard boat motors, too, huh?  this is an interesting thread - thanks for the info.


I live in northern South Dakota where we sometimes experience 95 below zero wind factors and 45 below zero temperatures. I don't know if that is extreme enough for you or not, but I use Amsoil Saber Professional 100/1 mix in every 2 stroke that I own. I have been using it mixed 100/1 for about six years now with no trouble. Everything starts better, runs smoother and has more power with this oil.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Sven936 on Oct 06, 2007, 01:38 PM
I switch every two stroke motor I have to the Amsoil. From my boat to ice auger and I run it 100:1.   Much better engine performance and limited smoke on the auger.    I run an older magnumm III and it makes it purr like a kitten.     I highly recommend it.... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Danderson on Nov 18, 2007, 08:46 PM
theres another reason as to why some manufacturers say 24 to 1 for their air cooled engines. it's because it keeps them at a cooler temp and not running very hot. air cooling isn't as effeciant as water cooling so you can either use the engine for a shorter period of time or beef up oil. right now i'm refering to air cooled OB's like Ted Williams and such. augers, i'm not as sure about. you don't run them very long, but who knows, maybe they overheat with 100 to 1 easier even in the cold?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: anderson_dc on Nov 28, 2007, 10:16 AM
Just wanted to thank everyone's posting on this website about oil and gas mixing for augers.

For the past two winters i had been running Strikemaster brand oil 24:1 in my Lazer 224 and she would smoke and had a pretty good deposit of oil on the outside of the muffler.  It would sometimes bog down a little bit but ran good until it gave out on me last winter and it was replaced at Cabelas with a brand new Strikemaster Lazer Mag Xpress (long story dont want to get into it).

I remembered all of the problems i had with oil build up, etc on the other auger so i thought i would do a little investigating to see if there was an alternative out there.  After reading boards such as this i decided to go the synthetic route along with a few other modifications.

Here is what im running and im really looking forward to cutting some holes with her this winter and many more!

8" Strikemaster Lazer Mag Xpress 2 HP 49cc
-Switched out the factory Champion Spark Plug with the correct Bosch Plug (3.68 dollars for two plugs at Napa)
-Upgraded from regular 87 octane fuel to 91 octane premium (20-30 cents difference for a gallon of gas)
-50:1 mix of Amsoil Saber Professional oil
-2 ounces of Sea Foam
-Half an ounce of Stabil

I realize that i probably didnt need to use both Stabil and Sea Foam but i figured i would give it a try and see if there is any difference.  After speaking with a tech at Strikemaster and a master mechanic on small engines i decided that running 91 octane would actually be a little bit better for the motor then regular 87.  Also while the engine does call for 24:1 we have all read that this isnt exactly the case expecially if you use a synthetic.  Now Amsoil does call for 100:1 ratio but both people said that it would be best to run it at 50:1.  What is 1.3 ounces of oil anyways?  Also it is a lot better to be rich with your oil then to be too lean.  Ive ran it a couple of times now and have noticed no smoke smell coming out of the muffler nor any build up on the muffler.  At the end of the season i was told that it would probably be best to fog it with some petroleum based oil/gas mix just to be certain that all the components are properly lubricated during the spring-fall.

I realize that Amsoil has its policy about replacing an engine if it blows up but the mechanic said that a while back a customer of his was having his snowmobile ready for the winter and apparently was using Amsoil and everything in the engine was ceased up with rust.  Amsoil never replaced the motor and the guy was out that money.  They might have changed the formula between then and now but i really dont want to take a chance and figure i might as well fog it with a petroleum based oil at then end of the season to play it safe.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ice dawg on Nov 28, 2007, 05:33 PM
i'd say in my area we experience a lot of those "extreme temperatures."  in our case, would you guys still recommend the 100:1  mixes?  and you use this mixture on outboard boat motors, too, huh?  this is an interesting thread - thanks for the info.


You can use the Amsoil at 50-1, 24/1 or whatever ratio you choose up to 100-1. I use mine mixed 100-1 and I don't know how much unused oil you would get coming out of the muffler mixed richer. Try the Amsoil mixed at 24-1 and see if you like that mix. I know that some people don't want to go all the way to 100-1 and mix it at 80-1.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Nov 29, 2007, 12:47 PM

 I know that some people don't want to go all the way to 100-1 and mix it at 80-1.
yeah like me  ;D
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Doubles Shooter on Dec 14, 2007, 07:27 AM
I switched to Opti2 last year. I mix it at 100:1. I went through 5 gallons of the mix in two chain saws, weed-eater, and my Jiffy 30. The plugs are a light tan. All motors ran better then they ever have.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Danderson on Dec 14, 2007, 03:29 PM
i can't find anyone in the area with Opti2 or Amsoil, no ones even heard of it!

do you guys think Cabelas brand 2 stroke oil will suffice at 100 to 1. its semi synthetic, says it can be used at that ratio and i already have a gallon of it waiting to be used in the OB this spring  ;D
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Dec 14, 2007, 05:43 PM
Go to NAPA, or go to amsoil website https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atp.aspx (https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atp.aspx)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: fishercat on Dec 16, 2007, 08:15 AM
i can't find anyone in the area with Opti2 or Amsoil, no ones even heard of it!

 ;D

The NAPA store in Northampton Ma had Amsoil. Got some there about 8 months ago.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mnwalleyehunter on Dec 23, 2007, 12:17 AM
I know this is a little off topic but I have an older strikemaster 2 hp auger (10-15) years. I just put a 10 1/4 inch bit on it and was wondering if there was any way or ways to make it a little more powerful and have a little more "rip". It cuts nicely but just for the times when im on 3 or 4 feet of ice!? im not looking for something that will go through in 5 seconds or anything just to give it a little more juice. going to try some amsoil and 92 or 93 octane gas, but anything else anyone would recommend? thanks in advance!!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Dec 23, 2007, 07:49 AM
I thought that you need at least a 3 hp for anything bigger that a 8 inch hole!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Dsum on Jan 15, 2008, 01:05 AM
mnwalleyehunter

i have the same setup with an older strikemaster as well.  Mag 2000 with a 10 1/4?  If you take your fuel tank off you will notice the throttle linkage to the carb uses a spring, and because of that seems to make response slow, as well the butterfly valve doesnt open all the way.  I replaced that spring with a solid piece of linkage so the butterfly opens all the way with full throttle.  It has much faster revs and better throttle response.

Use opti2 100:1, make sure your flighting is straight, sharpen those blades and get the jets tuned properly.  I can cut a hole as fast or even faster than a 3hp jiff with a 10" bit using my 2hp. 
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Post by: Haywood on Jan 31, 2008, 12:19 PM
I am planning on switching to this for all of my little motor, but I have another question.  My boat has a 27 gallon tank, which is currently full or 50:1 standard 2 cycle oil, do I need to run in empty, run it down low, start the mix out higher that 100:1 or what??
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: sledder on Feb 14, 2008, 12:35 AM
 Its been standard practice in the snowmobile industry to never mix brands of two stroke oil. You stand the chance of having it gell or coagulate.Regardless of wether or not amsoil or mobil 1 claims their synthetic is 100% mixable with others or not.

 This is the internet.People supposedly do all kinds of sh!t,that nobody in their right mind in the real world would do. One example would be running 100:1 mix in a boat motor worth thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars.

 Only on the net would you see people actually worrying about running synthetic in an ice auger,that if its lucky see's a gallon of gas run through it in a season and in the majority of cases not even a full tank of fuel run through it in a season.

  To touch on the 100:1 mix theory and how reliable it is. I've never met anybody involved with profesional level logging and the arborist industry,even consider running 100:1 ratios in saws. I've never seen anybody in the chainsaw industry encourage the practice of using a 100:1 mix and these guys have forgot more about two stroke motors,then some hero carrying an ice auger around on weekends will ever know.
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Post by: BottomDweller on Feb 14, 2008, 07:59 AM
good points, sledder.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: sledder on Feb 14, 2008, 03:37 PM
 Personally amsoil is the most over rated hyped oil out there. I've used it in vehicles,sleds,bikes,atv's,lawn tractors and mowers. I had a relative who was a dealer and I bought it at cost. Up until recently the only way you could get amsoil was through amsoil or a dealer.Which was a pain in the arse. Now you can get a few things at NAPA if they choose to handle them.

 I've never seen a bit of differance between mobil 1 and amsoil and you won't either,because they're both fully synthetic and esther based.Mobil 1 is everywhere and is cheaper to buy then amsoil.

 One of the big pushes for running these lean ratios,is marketing. Less oil mixed per gallon equals a savings in oil use volumn.And all they care about is pushing a product.

 The other big push,is trying to keep emmissions down,one way of doing this,is running less oil.Regardless of wether its good for the motor or not.

 I've been running synthetic oils in my sleds for around ten years.I can honestly say after having a couple of them torn down after 10k miles or more,there isn't an ounce of differance in wear between the sleds I've ran with conventional/detergant based oils and those with synthetic,other then the cost per mile was higher with synthetic. Just as much wear and tear present on either.

 I've also seen a number of sleds burned down because of injector problems and the mix ratio that was present at the time,was a hell of alot heavier then 100:1. Ski-doo had injector problems with their late 670's in the first Summit x. I owned one and it burned up on synthetic. Bombardier warrantied it and sent the dealer a list of findings. They figured the fuel to oil mixture was around 80:1. Needless to say I don't have any faith in 100:1 mix ratios.   
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Feb 14, 2008, 03:46 PM
just talked with my landscaper/ plow guy  uses the aimsoil sabre and mixes it @60-80:1 in his saws and trimmers never had a problem..  I mix mine at 80:1 for my chain saw and auger, I just like the fact of less emissions and seems like more power..  I run aimoil in my truck and it runs great..  have fun all :-*
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Post by: ice dawg on Feb 14, 2008, 04:34 PM
i can't find anyone in the area with Opti2 or Amsoil, no ones even heard of it!

do you guys think Cabelas brand 2 stroke oil will suffice at 100 to 1. its semi synthetic, says it can be used at that ratio and i already have a gallon of it waiting to be used in the OB this spring  ;D

You can go on the Amsoil website and order it direct from them. If it would help, you can ask a question about Amsoil on their site and a petroleum engineer will answer it for you.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: AirManCam on Feb 20, 2008, 04:57 PM
I've grown up around logging, my father has done it since he was 16, and so does his brothers, and they all believe in running their saws at 50:1. I went out today and bought some amsoil, I'm going to give the 100:1 a try. And also, I'm on my 3 tank full of gas in my auger in 2 weeks. But I suppose I fish more than most people haha.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: AirManCam on Dec 17, 2008, 07:26 PM
Just went out for the first time with 100:1 and I'm never looking back!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: snap-on on Jan 05, 2009, 10:18 AM
100 to 1 thats not to rich? i got a jiffy and i know thats not what they call for not sure what it is but i know that it isn't 100 to 1 though!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Jan 05, 2009, 04:50 PM
no they recommend 24:1 for the conventional oil..  if it is a new auger then run a few tanks of conventional oil then make the switch...
One thing I forgot to comment on was that I needed to adjust jets after I made the switch... but once I pent time adjusting the jets to get the cherry spot it is incredible... ;D
 But I run mine at about 80-60:1
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: fiddlehead322 on Jan 07, 2009, 04:47 PM
I put oil in gas until it gets to aquamarine color. Sometimes lagoon blue. Mixture?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ryanlookingforperch on Jan 08, 2009, 05:29 PM
manual says 24:1

Face plate on the powerhead says 24:1

Mix in the jiffy tune up kit has a oil-stabalizer.  It is 94.6 ML and says to mix it with 4L of fuel, that is like 43 ish:1 ratio.

so that is a little confusing to me.

I am wondering if there is a websire out there that states what mixes of OIL-to-STABILIZER-to-GAS ratio?

Must make a difference, OR on of either....: the owner's manual of my Jiffy 30, the oil in the tune up kit or the actual plate on the jiffy powerhead ARE WRONG...and JIFFY can't tell me which....HA HA HA

Good luckl!!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Jan 08, 2009, 06:03 PM
manual says 24:1

Face plate on the powerhead says 24:1

Mix in the jiffy tune up kit has a oil-stabalizer.  It is 94.6 ML and says to mix it with 4L of fuel, that is like 43 ish:1 ratio.

so that is a little confusing to me.

I am wondering if there is a websire out there that states what mixes of OIL-to-STABILIZER-to-GAS ratio?

Must make a difference, OR on of either....: the owner's manual of my Jiffy 30, the oil in the tune up kit or the actual plate on the jiffy powerhead ARE WRONG...and JIFFY can't tell me which....HA HA HA

Good luckl!!
24:1 is for CONVENTIONAL OIL
OK I mix mine with aprox 2 oz of Amsoil sabre synthetic oil, then I add 1/2 ounce of STA-BIL fuel stabilizer, and then one gallon of gas at the pump.. so it gives me a mix of appox 65:1... I also use 91 octane fuel.. mostly because I am filling the atv up at the same time.  Now I had to tune my jets on the carba little but I was starting to get the need to do it before I made the switch to synthetic oil 3 years ago..
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ryanlookingforperch on Jan 09, 2009, 08:51 AM
That is some groovy info.

I guess a guy just has to mix...fuel ...stabilizer....then decide on synthetic or conventional oil...choose a ratio;

and start tunning.

This will be the third year in a row, that I have tuned up the auger and experimented to try to get it to run "WELL"....I would say NOW......it is shy of running "GOOD"..

Good luck....And GOOD TUNING!!


Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Mainehazmt on Jan 09, 2009, 09:14 AM
Gee Im glad I got an Icegator   no worrys about mixing anything!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Jan 09, 2009, 11:09 AM
That is some groovy info.

I guess a guy just has to mix...fuel ...stabilizer....then decide on synthetic or conventional oil...choose a ratio;

and start tunning.

This will be the third year in a row, that I have tuned up the auger and experimented to try to get it to run "WELL"....I would say NOW......it is shy of running "GOOD"..

Good luck....And GOOD TUNING!!

where are you located???  if you are having issues then you probably nee to clean the carb and then dial up and tune the carb..
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ryanlookingforperch on Jan 09, 2009, 01:25 PM
I am in Edmonton AB, Canada.

I just cleaned the carb last night, changed spark plug; and mixed to 40:1 .......not the 24:1 conventional I have been using.

Now just to get 'er going and try to tune it.  This is what I always have problems with...the instructions / direction is clear, just never seems to tune it right.

took it to a shop end of last season, TOTAL tune up...so I am not bringing it back.  It started alot better after the tune up...but never cut as well as when I was having a hard time strarting it.....go figure.

good luck!!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Sturno on Jan 14, 2009, 08:18 PM
Jiffy's own oil on their website now recommends a 40:1 ratio....

Per their Accessories section - 2 cycle oil:NEW Premium 40:1 Two-Cycle Smokeless Synthetic Blend Engine Oil with Fuel Stabilizer for use with all brands of 2-Cycle Ice Drills. New reformulated 40:1 gas mixture reduces emissions. JIFFY™ has taken the next step for a cleaner environment!
Part No. 4024 $1.39


http://www.jiffyonice.com/accessories.htm#other
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ryanlookingforperch on Jan 14, 2009, 11:25 PM
MY JIFFY NOW RUNS LIKE A GOD!!

thanks for all the posts , links and info.

Oh, i forgot to mention....a nice little shop called the "LAWNMOWER HOSPITAL" here in the city is the shop that did the work.

I did not notice , but when i brought it in for service....and to get the pull start cord replaced...they put it back on ...so that every time I pull the cord...it rubs the power switch...turning it off, and sometimes..i think knocking the power switch loose.  BACKWARDS in other words!!

nice WORK GUYS!!

lol

I'll do some homework next time...try to fix it myself....before I give it to guys that do not care how they treat MY AUGER...and rush jobs to do a shady thing like that. and charge me a ridiculous amount to tune my auger...NOT UNDER LOAD!

good luck all...and thanks again!!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: PhatboyC on Jan 27, 2009, 01:54 PM
I have Amsoil Interceptor for my snowmobile I was thinking using in my Normark auger. Any of you using it instead of the Saber?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: tracker 1 on Jan 27, 2009, 02:17 PM
If you are using Amsoil and you are using 1 gal of gas apply the following math formula!
 
128 ounces of gas in a gal Divided by a 50 for a 50 /1mixture
                                                         
                                                       
   50/1  .......       128 ounces   divided by 50 =   2.56 ounces of Amsoil per gal of gas
   80/1  .......       128 ounces   divided by 80 =   1.60  ounces of Amsoil per gal of gas
   100/1 ......       128 ounces   divided by 100 = 1.28  ounces of Amsoil per gal of gas

  I run my auger on a 80/1 mixture and it doesn't skip a beat.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Jan 27, 2009, 06:06 PM
I have Amsoil Interceptor for my snowmobile I was thinking using in my Normark auger. Any of you using it instead of the Saber?
no... they make both for a reason..
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Feb 05, 2009, 11:29 AM
I have Amsoil Interceptor for my snowmobile I was thinking using in my Normark auger. Any of you using it instead of the Saber?
Use it. I used interceptor before I switched over to klotz. I use klotz in all of my air cooled engines. I am a firewood dealer in the summer. No issues.

Going to use eskimo viper oil for the new auger for a few tanks, then not sure what I am going to use. Amsoil has left a sour taste in my mouth after my sled issues.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: fishercat on Feb 05, 2009, 11:41 AM
Running  80/1   1.60  ounces of Amsoil per gal of gas for the last three years and working great.
I think I will try there outboard motor oil this year.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Feb 09, 2009, 10:27 AM
Could not find eskimo viper oil so I am using a 45:1 ratio of klotz oil and 87 octane gas with 1/4 oz of marine/ethanol stabalizer
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: WANNAKETCHUM on Feb 13, 2009, 11:14 AM
Had some problems with my Ol' Jiffy 30 the last time the Mrs. and I fished together. Drilled about a dozen holes no problem and then it began to spit and sputter and wouldn't stay running. :%$#!: Finished out the day with my 6" Mora hand auger. A day or so later I took the plug out and it appeared oil-fouled so I cleaned it good with alcohol and put it back in. Same thing...run for a short period then spit/sputter and die. I dumped the gas out of the tank and looked down inside and there appeared to be droplets of moisture clinging to the bottom of the tank. I had rebuilt the carb about 4yrs. ago and had been running a 50:1 mix ever since, same as my chainsaw and weedwhackers with no problem other than a little smoke and greasy residue around the muffler. Well, I picked up a couple of 1.5 oz. "pillow packets" of Amsoil Sabre and a couple of new sparkplugs (autolite #255). I stuffed a clean dry old T-shirt down into the tank to suck up any remaining moisture and when I was satisfied the tank was clean and dry, I started and ran the auger with the old plug until I ran all of the old gas out of the carb. I mixed the Amsoil packet with 9/10 gal. of 89 octane gas and put in one of the new Autolite plugs. It spit for a few seconds after starting and then smoothed out and ran like never before! I took it to a neighbors little pond and drilled about 10 holes one after another and it ran great and didn't bog down when breaking through like before. It also idled better than it ever has. I hope this took care of the problem....I will be trying it out again this weekend. Thanks to all for your info... :bow:...WK
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Wiener on Oct 23, 2009, 09:29 AM
I just bought some Amsoil for boating. (it says it works for injected and as a pre-mix)
Couldn't find it in small size, so had to buy a whole gallon.  Looks like I won't need to get any for a while.

Do you guys mix anything else with the Gas ?

I bought some Stabil that is supposed to treat ethanol gas, I was going to mix this in as well.

Does this sound like a good idea?


Thanks for the help,


Wiener
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Oct 23, 2009, 03:33 PM
yes...  treat your mix with the Sta-Bil.. what ever the bottle says for the ratio..
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: TIBS on Nov 14, 2009, 08:02 PM
Ok, because I'm a total idiot, I need to ask to clarify.

I have the Jiffy Tecumseh 3hp motor (24:1 recommended), and an echo kioritz weed trimmer (50:1 recommended)

If I'm following this thread right, I could potentially use the Amsoil Saber mixed at 50:1 ratio (or even leaner) and use that fuel for both engines?  Because the lubricity would be more than adequate even though the oil mix ratio is different?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mud_n_fun on Nov 14, 2009, 08:23 PM
Ok, because I'm a total idiot, I need to ask to clarify.

I have the Jiffy Tecumseh 3hp motor (24:1 recommended), and an echo kioritz weed trimmer (50:1 recommended)

If I'm following this thread right, I could potentially use the Amsoil Saber mixed at 50:1 ratio (or even leaner) and use that fuel for both engines?  Because the lubricity would be more than adequate even though the oil mix ratio is different?
Try 100:1
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg44/mud_n_fun/1972%20Arctic%20Cat%20Cheetah/72Cheetah010-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Nov 14, 2009, 08:42 PM
TIBS
YUP YOU ARE CORRECT... try 70:1 that seemed to work the best 4 meand all my 2strokes
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Mainehazmt on Nov 23, 2009, 05:30 AM
Isnt it cheaper to have some smoke and foul a few plugs than blow a piston?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Nov 23, 2009, 09:54 PM
Isnt it cheaper to have some smoke and foul a few plugs than blow a piston?
Hazy the stuff amsoil makes is rated to use at 100:1,  I use it at bout 70:1, look at the specsheets on their website,then compare it to the specs of regular 2 stroke oil.  it is really great to have one container for trimmer, chain saw, auger.   http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atp.aspx (http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/atp.aspx)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: jackpine on Nov 23, 2009, 10:31 PM
Just fired up the snowblower today for the 1st time using Sabre 100:1. WOW what a difference. Now ALL my 2 cycle toys are fueled from 1 gas/oil container.

Fran 8)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Nov 25, 2009, 12:48 PM
amsoil might be decent product but after the  dry crank issues with amsoil interceptor, I will never use there product again. I use klotz mixed 40:1 and leter smoke, which it only does for a few seconds. Only amsoil product I would use "if I had to" would be dominator.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Wiener on Dec 05, 2009, 10:41 PM
I spoke to the Amsoil rep at the St. Paul ice show on Friday.
He said that any of the 2 stroke oils made by Amsoil are ok at 50:1

He said that Saber is made specifically for Augers and can be run at 100:1

I use the outboard injector oil by Amsoil, (which can be used as a premix) at 50:1

The rep said it is fine, as long as it is an oil for 2 strokes, and not an oil that you would use in a 4 stroke engine.
He said that the 4 stroke oil is not made to be mixed with gas, but the 2 stroke oil is.

Hope this helps,

Wiener
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: augergas on Dec 09, 2009, 05:59 PM
Where the heck do you guys get this Opti-2 oil? I looked at our local parts stores and Wally world, no luck.

Or is it Optimax oil? I've got lots of that.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Dec 10, 2009, 08:45 AM
I get ours at our local farm store and a chainsaw store.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: GoBucky on Jan 06, 2010, 04:21 PM
I use Citgo Sea and Snow in my snowmobile, chainsaw and leafblower.  No blown engines, low smoke, low smell and its in expensive ($15 a gallon), which is a lot less expensive than most of the fruity-smelling synthetic oils.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: fishville on Jan 07, 2010, 10:14 AM
I had the same question. The used auger I just bought says 24:1 but the Strikemaster site says 40:1. So I finally decided to google Tecumseh and low and behold this is what I found,

Page 4 Two-Cycle Engine • Horizontal/Vertical Crankshaft • Air-Cooled 181-1277-14
III. Oil and Fuel Specifications
A. Oil
To operate your engine you need to use a clean, high
quality, 2-Cycle oil mixed with fuel. For recommended
mixture ratio of fuel and oil, see Table 1 for ice augers and
Table 2 for all other applications.
NOTES
Tecumseh synthetic and special-formulated oils are
available at your Authorized Tecumseh Servicing Dealer.
Use of NMMA, TC-WII or TC-W3, JASO FB or JASO FC
classified oil is recommended.
Contact your Authorized Tecumseh Servicing Dealer for
Tecumseh Oil.
B. Fuel
Use unleaded regular, unleaded premium or reformulated
automotive fuel only. You may use gasoline containing the
following components identified in Table 3.
• DO NOT use leaded fuel.
• Fuel must be fresh and clean. NEVER use fuel left
over from last season or stored for long periods.
• DO NOT use fuel containing Methanol (Wood
Alcohol).
The use of alternative fuels such as E85
or E20 are not recommended for use in
Tecumseh engines. Alternative fuels with high alcohol
content can cause hard starting, poor engine performance,
and may cause internal engine damage.
NOTE
Damage and/or performance problems that will occur from
use of fuels, other than those listed in the Operator’s
Manuals will not be considered warranty.
IV. Before Starting Your Engine
A. Mixing Fuel and Oil
NEVER store engine with fuel in fuel
tank inside a building with potential
sources of ignition such as hot water and space heaters,
clothes dryers, electric motors, etc.
NOTES
DO NOT mix fuel and oil directly in fuel tank.
Tecumseh synthetic and special-formulated oils are
available at your Authorized Tecumseh Servicing Dealer.
Use of NMMA, TC-WII or TC-W3, JASO FB or JASO FC
classified oil is recommended.
Contact your Authorized Tecumseh Servicing Dealer for
Tecumseh Oil.
1. Be sure container is outdoors and in a well-ventilated
area.
2. Fill approved clean red GASOLINE container with 1/4
of recommended fuel amount. See Tables 1, 2 and 3.
3. Add required amount of recommended oil to fuel. See
Table 1 for ice augers, Table 2 for all other applications.
4. Screw cap onto container.
5. Shake container vigorously.
6. Unscrew cap from container.
7. Fill container with remainder of recommended fuel. See
Tables 1, 2 and 3.
8. Wipe away any spilled fuel or oil.
CAUTION
WARNING
Table 1. Fuel Mix Chart Mixture Ratio 40:1 (ice augers)
U.S. S.I. Metric
Gas Oil Petrol Oil
1 Gal. 3.2 oz. 4 Liters 100 ml
2 Gal. 6.4 oz. 8 Liters 200 ml
5 Gal. 16 oz. 20 Liters 500 ml
Table 2. Fuel Mix Chart Mixture Ratio 24:1
U.S. S.I. Metric
Gas Oil Petrol Oil
1 Gal. 5 oz. 4 Liters 167 ml
2 Gal. 11 oz. 8 Liters 333 ml
5 Gal. 27 oz. 20 Liters 833 mlTable 3. Recommended Fuel
Fuel Component Percentage
Ethanol 10%
Grain Alcohol (“Gasohol”) 10%
MTBE (Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether) 15%
ETBE (Ethyl Tertiary Butyl Ether) 15%
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Jan 09, 2010, 11:31 PM
amsoil sabre mixed at 70:1 its specs blows the basic specs out of the water!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Wiener on Jan 10, 2010, 09:47 AM
Have had the auger out a couple of times this year.

WOW !   what a difference.

very little smoke, and cuts like a banshee.

I went out to Green Bay, and a couple of kids were trying to cut threw 12" of ice with a hand auger.
Let 'em use my auger, and they couldn't believe the way it cut.

One of the kids remarked that his Jiffy didn't run or cut very good.  His auger was in the shop for a new pull cord, which he broke the previous day.

I told him about Amsoil and mixing it 50:1.   He's going to give it a try also.

Thanks to everyone for the input on the use of synthetic oil.

Wiener
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: allpurposeoil on Jan 11, 2010, 10:20 AM


 at least now you have away to get your saber now from iceshanty.com  :)


 Brian
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Mar 08, 2010, 08:09 AM
I use Citgo Sea and Snow in my snowmobile, chainsaw and leafblower.  No blown engines, low smoke, low smell and its in expensive ($15 a gallon), which is a lot less expensive than most of the fruity-smelling synthetic oils.

I use that stuff to. Good oil at a good price.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Mar 08, 2010, 09:47 PM

 at least now you have away to get your saber now from iceshanty.com  :)


 Brian

nothing against your dealership, but support your local amsoil guy... like me  ;D
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: welderman on Mar 15, 2010, 05:27 PM
opti 2 100 to 1 auger screams no smoke easy start.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: pleasureseeker on Nov 16, 2010, 11:56 AM
I run Bel-Ray H1R in my 2- stroke dirtbike.  It's fully synthetic.  Would this be O.K. in the auger?  Or, how about the fuel that I use in the chainsaw?  It's the Stihl brand mixed at 50:1?  Or, has anybody heard of this:  Trufuel.  I saw it at the auto parts store the other day.  It's pre-mixed fuel at 50:1.  It comes in a 32oz. can.  It says the oil in it is synthetic.  It has a stabilizer added to it, which gives it a 2-year shelf life, after opening.  At, least, that's their claim.  Seems to me that this product would be ideal for ice augers.  Any thoughts?  I can't find the Amsoil Saber anywhere.  And, most of the people that I talk to say to just run what I already have on hand.  Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: topher7694 on Nov 16, 2010, 11:59 AM
I now use the Opti 2 but with the pillow pack I get, the ratio is approximately 70:1...starts easy, no smoke, no oil dripping
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Nov 16, 2010, 07:33 PM
I run Bel-Ray H1R in my 2- stroke dirtbike.  It's fully synthetic.  Would this be O.K. in the auger?  Or, how about the fuel that I use in the chainsaw?  It's the Stihl brand mixed at 50:1?  Or, has anybody heard of this:  Trufuel.  I saw it at the auto parts store the other day.  It's pre-mixed fuel at 50:1.  It comes in a 32oz. can.  It says the oil in it is synthetic.  It has a stabilizer added to it, which gives it a 2-year shelf life, after opening.  At, least, that's their claim.  Seems to me that this product would be ideal for ice augers.  Any thoughts?  I can't find the Amsoil Saber anywhere.  And, most of the people that I talk to say to just run what I already have on hand.  Thanks!!!
you can get it off of AMSOIL.com, or you can find a local amsoil dealer in your area, you can find them on the website.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Nov 16, 2010, 07:55 PM
I run Bel-Ray H1R in my 2- stroke dirtbike.  It's fully synthetic.  Would this be O.K. in the auger?  Or, how about the fuel that I use in the chainsaw?  It's the Stihl brand mixed at 50:1?  Or, has anybody heard of this:  Trufuel.  I saw it at the auto parts store the other day.  It's pre-mixed fuel at 50:1.  It comes in a 32oz. can.  It says the oil in it is synthetic.  It has a stabilizer added to it, which gives it a 2-year shelf life, after opening.  At, least, that's their claim.  Seems to me that this product would be ideal for ice augers.  Any thoughts?  I can't find the Amsoil Saber anywhere.  And, most of the people that I talk to say to just run what I already have on hand.  Thanks!!!
yup, you can use your saw gas or the bel ray. Both are good oils. I use the same mix for my saws as I use in my auger.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: pleasureseeker on Nov 16, 2010, 08:26 PM
yup, you can use your saw gas or the bel ray. Both are good oils. I use the same mix for my saws as I use in my auger.
Thanks!  That ought to save me a few bucks.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: pleasureseeker on Nov 16, 2010, 08:32 PM
you can get it off of AMSOIL.com, or you can find a local amsoil dealer in your area, you can find them on the website.
Thanks!  I found the local dealer, today.  I think I'll just use up what I have.  Then, order through them.  They can even get it in those pillow packs.  But, you probably knew that already. LOL.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Nov 17, 2010, 08:40 PM
yeah..... I deal  ;D
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: AltaIce on Nov 21, 2010, 03:27 PM
Thanks for all your posts folks.


 I got my first 2-stroke Ice auger this year. ( have not taken out of box yet).
I have never owned a 2- stroke anything where I had to add oil to the gas.. and am trying to read as much abut it as I can..

Thanks again for your posts.
AltaIce
 8)

Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Nov 21, 2010, 05:47 PM
run your first tank  with the regular stuff (old fasion 2 cycle oil) then I would switch to a smokless synthetic.  I run the AMSOIL sabre, I mix it to about 60-70:1  the bottle states is acceptable to mix at 100:1.  I sell the stuff and stand by the 100:1 but the fact that I run it in soem cold weather I like just a little extra oil thats all..
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: AltaIce on Nov 21, 2010, 06:51 PM
run your first tank  with the regular stuff (old fasion 2 cycle oil) then I would switch to a smokless synthetic.  I run the AMSOIL sabre, I mix it to about 60-70:1  the bottle states is acceptable to mix at 100:1.  I sell the stuff and stand by the 100:1 but the fact that I run it in soem cold weather I like just a little extra oil thats all..
...
Thanks mainedukblaster

I'll look into that for sure.
  8)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Nov 25, 2010, 10:49 AM
Anyone know a dealer in Southern Wi. Would like to try sabre out but not going to pay $7 to ship.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Curley on Nov 25, 2010, 11:08 AM
I get mine at NAPA.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Nov 26, 2010, 08:13 PM
Anyone know a dealer in Southern Wi. Would like to try sabre out but not going to pay $7 to ship.
try napa, but on teh website you can locate a local jobber. and they can get it to you for usually a few dollors more, not the full shipping price but its up to the dealer to work with you.  My maine dealer before I moved to texas used to charge me 25-50cents for each bottle since he bought a case and divided the shipment by bottle..  I did a quick search, there is a lot in madison, there are 2 in janesville, and one guy in browntown.  Don't know if they are near you.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: phredder on Dec 02, 2010, 12:30 PM
Opti2 is my choice.  Pro chainsaw guy told me about it.  Run all my small 2 cycle engines on it and never a problem.  I know of a small engine repair shop that uses it on every engine that comes in for repair.  Mechanic said the fresh fuel (no ethanol) with the Opti2 sometimes fixes the problem.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: chucknduck on Dec 03, 2010, 03:15 PM
after reading this hole thing i just ordered the amsoil sabre.  it will be nice to just mix one can of this for all my tools.  ill report how it works. 
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Dec 03, 2010, 05:24 PM
I wanted to try amsoil but could only find the pillow packs and I am not going to pay $7 to ship a very small bottle. So I found some Opti-2 at a local saw shop. Just as good as amsoil since it is a syn blend.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Dec 03, 2010, 08:19 PM
you can get the sabre at Napa.. if you don't have a local dealer near you..  if you buy it online then you have to pay the shipping, but their shipping as a flat rate, so if you buy 1 sabre bottle not worth it but if you buy a whole bunch of oil say for your vehicles oilchange then throw in the sabre the shipping will be the same within reason for the total weight.   ;)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Dec 03, 2010, 08:20 PM
after reading this hole thing i just ordered the amsoil sabre.  it will be nice to just mix one can of this for all my tools.  ill report how it works. 
one thing when I turned all my stuff over to amsoil, was to tweek my carb adjustments just a hair to get it running full bore, I think its the fact that after a few passes of the sabre, it cleans the carb and becomes a little rich, so you have to tune it back a bit, especially on augers
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Dec 03, 2010, 08:26 PM
you can get the sabre at Napa.. if you don't have a local dealer near you..  if you buy it online then you have to pay the shipping, but their shipping as a flat rate, so if you buy 1 sabre bottle not worth it but if you buy a whole bunch of oil say for your vehicles oilchange then throw in the sabre the shipping will be the same within reason for the total weight.   ;)
Not the my local napa.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: chucknduck on Dec 04, 2010, 07:31 AM
I've heard of a few people adding a little carb cleaner to their mix. Is this a good idea?  Would a oz of it in a gallon of fuel even do any good?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: AltaIce on Dec 04, 2010, 07:46 AM
Question all.

and am sorry if I have missed a thread on it earlier.

What amount of premixed fuel should one have handy or I guess I should rephrase that and ask... How large of a mix does one
make at a time. Do the different oil's we will get for the mix generally all cover the same volume?

Thanks.

   8)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Dec 04, 2010, 10:38 AM
Rule of thumb is normally no more than you are going to use in 1 month. Normally 1 gallon. Unless I am also cutting wood then it 2 gallons at a time.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: fishercat on Dec 04, 2010, 12:25 PM
1 gallon at a time for me.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mrch33 on Dec 20, 2010, 04:26 PM
This is one of the best topics/threads on the whole site!  I just got a new nils master and have ordered the amsoil to use in it.  Really excited now that I know how to run and maintain my auger, Thank so much everyone for your posts and input
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Dec 21, 2010, 07:24 PM
This is one of the best topics/threads on the whole site!  I just got a new nils master and have ordered the amsoil to use in it.  Really excited now that I know how to run and maintain my auger, Thank so much everyone for your posts and input

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: glad we all could help ;D
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: jpicks on Dec 22, 2010, 06:14 PM
I've been running with 87 octane gas since I got my auger. The only stuff we can get around here w/o octane is 91.  Will running 91 vs 87 make any difference for the better or worse?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mrch33 on Dec 22, 2010, 06:36 PM
I've been running with 87 octane gas since I got my auger. The only stuff we can get around here w/o octane is 91.  Will running 91 vs 87 make any difference for the better or worse?

I read that you should only use 87 octane in your auger.  I think if you read earlier posts it talks about that and the advantages of using 87
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mrch33 on Dec 22, 2010, 06:38 PM

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: glad we all could help ;D

Yeah Im in the same boat, really excited about my new power auger now that I know how run and maintain it!  Thanks so much lonewolf
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: SpoonieLuv on Jan 04, 2011, 03:42 PM
I have the Amsoil and Seafoam, and plan on using a 1 gallon can. To get to a 50:1 ratio can someone make it easy for me and tell me how much oil/seafoam to add to the gallon of gas? Also I see the strikemaster website said you could use a hotter spark plug to make it more efficient, anyone tried this and did you notice a difference? If you did change to a "hotter" plug did you need to "retune" the agurer? Thanks.

Spoonie
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: jpicks on Jan 04, 2011, 04:59 PM
http://www.csgnetwork.com/oilfuelcalc.html
 (http://www.csgnetwork.com/oilfuelcalc.html)
There's an easy calculator for the oil/additives.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: jpicks on Jan 04, 2011, 05:00 PM
I read that you should only use 87 octane in your auger.  I think if you read earlier posts it talks about that and the advantages of using 87

I read about the ethanol in gas not being good for those 2 strokes. That's why I started on the 91.  Not sure if it makes much of a difference though.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Jan 04, 2011, 05:44 PM
everyone should get a ethanol tester. In my are I have found 3% at unmarked pumps and 8% at 10% marked pumps(summer). I have never seen more than 3% during the winter months. I have never had an issue but then I use opti-2 which has a fule stabalizer along with  stabil marine ethanol treatment. No need to run premium fuel in an engine designed to run on 87 oct a waste of fuel/engery.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: FISH-MITS on Jan 05, 2011, 08:35 PM
I run 105 octane airplane fuel with ams oil in my pro solo razor - no need for stabilizer as the fuel never goes bad. Picked the fuel up at a small local airport. Might run a a tad hot but not going to kill it. Expensive but 1 gallon goes a long way. Going to start storing my summer equipment with a little 105 in the bottom of the tank and carb. I don't run ethanol in any of my small engines - sticky garbage in my perspective.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Jan 06, 2011, 09:17 AM
isn't that leaded??
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: MainelyCrappie on Jan 08, 2011, 06:46 PM
Propane!!!!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: jpicks on Jan 09, 2011, 07:40 PM
Maybe down south where it's warmer, but you're not gonna see me slugging a 45lb propane auger up here.  I'm still a bit skeptical about that setup when we're fishing in -35c weather.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: allpurposeoil on Jan 10, 2011, 12:22 AM

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Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Rubberdaddy on Jan 17, 2011, 10:49 PM
Just picked up my first batch of Amsoil today. Can't wait to see the Jiffy roar like never before
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Hesperus on Jan 28, 2011, 04:32 PM
I run Klotz mixed at 50:1 in all of my 2 strokes (mostly husqvarna saws) including the Lawn Boy which calls for 32:1.  I try to get the best gas (91-93 octane) with no ethanol and do use Stabil when I mix.  I never drain my tanks or run them out.  I tend to keep them full when I think of it.

Last year I did not fish the ice at all.  I lent my Jiffy to my Brother and made sure he ran my gas.  I just started it up today in anticipation of a trip tomorrow and not one complaint although it is stored inside the shop at 60°f.

Oh yeah  I use No-spill cans now nearly exclusively.  VERY sweet units they are not quite foolproof, but when you have them sealed up right they are awesome.   
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: filetandrelease on Feb 06, 2011, 05:14 AM
my lazer mag calls for 24:1 smoked like crazy and really didn't run well i switched it to strike master smokeless 40:1 and it runs like a bear and no smoke and i put startron and stabilizer in my fuel
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mccabedoug on Feb 15, 2011, 06:52 PM
I am stoked to read this thread. Like a lot of people I've an older Jiffy Model 30 that starts (first pull) like a dream but has some recent troubles when it is breaking through the ice into the water (bottom of the hole). I've read and digested the jet screw adjustments, but before doing so, I am going to buy some Opti2, some Seafoam and combine with Stabil and fresh 91 octane gasoline.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ZPalm on Feb 23, 2011, 09:16 PM
Great information.  For someone with little knowledge of engines, this is a great resource!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Idahogator on Feb 24, 2011, 12:31 AM
Great information.  For someone with little knowledge of engines, this is a great resource!

So is the Amsoil web site.                           But, that's easy for me to say, as I've been a LIFETIME dealer for
                                                                                                                                24 years.

To give you confidence in the products in Amsoil, knowing how each is developed and formulated is important. It all begins with a goal of offering the most efficient product to allow the consumer/user to absolutely know nothing better is available, at least not on this planet. Cost is never considered in the development of these items, as that would jeopardize as well as negate the original goal. They do initial testing of these products, and  test and compare with other leading similar items to prove to themselves success has been achieved. But, they don't stop there ~ they pay unbiased independent labs to test and certify the results which are then published. But they don't stop there either as they have continued this since the early 1970s.

   Learn to work the site and have all your questions resolved.

                                                        http://www.amsoil.com/ (http://www.amsoil.com/)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Crappieb on Mar 20, 2011, 07:54 AM
Really great info and inputs from everyone. That's what this site is and should be all about. Great job!!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Rebelss on Sep 06, 2011, 10:13 AM
http://youtu.be/B-3Tnx1HSRQ (http://youtu.be/B-3Tnx1HSRQ)

For those that think Ethanol is OK......
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Idahogator on Sep 13, 2011, 04:13 PM


To give you confidence in the products in Amsoil, knowing how each is developed and formulated is important. It all begins with a goal of offering the most efficient product to allow the consumer/user to absolutely know nothing better is available, at least not on this planet. Cost is never considered in the development of these items, as that would jeopardize as well as negate the original goal. They do initial testing of these products, and  test and compare with other leading similar items to prove to themselves success has been achieved. But, they don't stop there ~ they pay unbiased independent labs to test and certify the results which are then published. But they don't stop there either as they have continued this since the early 1970s.


                                               
And, in Amsoil's quest to provide the most superior and efficient products available anywhere, comes their recent addition of yet another product to prevent down time and long life of all, that's right all, your equipment.

                                  http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/ast.aspx (http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/ast.aspx) 
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: vexvision on Nov 21, 2011, 07:33 PM
Sweet, but since Im half retarded can someone tell me what kind of Amsoil to purchase for my Eskimo z51. There is quite a variety.

In addition, I purchased a new Honda ATV in 2010. It suggests to use the recommended oil made by Honda. Should I use Amsoil in my ATV as well? Snowmachine? Sorry, not much of an engine guy............ ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Nov 21, 2011, 07:45 PM
i use AMSOIL in everything I own..  use the 0W40 oil for the ATV,  use AMSOIL SABRE 100:1 for the 2 stroke oil for your mix.  you can mix it a little richer like 80:1.  Snowmobile use amsoil interceptor injection oil.  their website is really helpful to look up your equipment, if you are still uncertain you can use the website to locate the "local dealer" and give them a call they are more than willing to set you up right..  its how I got to be introduced to AMSOIL and now I am on verge of doing a dealership...

Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: vexvision on Nov 22, 2011, 11:00 AM
Thanks Mainduk, Ill check to see if this stuff will work with my units!! Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ice dawg on Nov 22, 2011, 11:12 AM
Sweet, but since Im half retarded can someone tell me what kind of Amsoil to purchase for my Eskimo z51. There is quite a variety.

In addition, I purchased a new Honda ATV in 2010. It suggests to use the recommended oil made by Honda. Should I use Amsoil in my ATV as well? Snowmachine? Sorry, not much of an engine guy............ ??? ??? ??? ???
Amsoil Saber Professdional 100:i premx oil. I use it in all my two strokes mixed at about 80:1. Amsoil should be good for your snow machine or ATV, but probably not Saber. I'm sure someone on here will know what to recommend for them. I use Arctic Cat synthetic 0w40 in my cat which works well for me.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Idahogator on Nov 22, 2011, 11:26 AM
As a lifetime dealer for more than 20 years, the best advice I have for all, is go to this link, scroll to the various products and click the "For more information" with the RIGHTHAND button and select "open in a new TAB". Keeps you from loosing your place. Do this for each of the products, read, understand and keep notes, or print the page.


    http://www.amsoil.com/a/synthetic-2-cycle-oil (http://www.amsoil.com/a/synthetic-2-cycle-oil)


They also have a few Fuel additives.


     http://www.amsoil.com/a/Fuel-Additives-Performance-Improver (http://www.amsoil.com/a/Fuel-Additives-Performance-Improver)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: vexvision on Nov 25, 2011, 09:04 PM
Using Sabre Pro but I mixed it at 50:1 with some Seafoam.........the dealer I bought it from wasnt home but I talked to his wife. He's gonna set me up with the Interceptor for my sled and Im not sure about the ATV, I think he has somthing else for that.

Im happy so far, all Ive been able to do is let-er run in the garage and pretend like I was fishin' ;D
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Coss13 on Dec 27, 2011, 05:49 PM
Just picked up the OPTI2 at the local hardware store.  Going to mix it tomorrow and put it in my Auger . 

Just some FYI for anyone in the Northern IL or Southern WI area looking for OPTI 2 , you can find it at the local ACE Hardware for $2.50 or so
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: laclabiche walleye hunter on Dec 27, 2011, 11:53 PM
I use reg gas and 40:1 mix with stihl oil
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Walleye Annihilator on Dec 27, 2011, 11:56 PM
I use reg gas and 40:1 mix with stihl oil

SAME
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Coss13 on Dec 28, 2011, 12:09 PM
I use reg gas and 40:1 mix with stihl oil

SAME

And hows it work , Less smoke ? 
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: sperley03 on Jan 01, 2012, 03:53 PM
Sweet, but since Im half retarded can someone tell me what kind of Amsoil to purchase for my Eskimo z51. There is quite a variety.

In addition, I purchased a new Honda ATV in 2010. It suggests to use the recommended oil made by Honda. Should I use Amsoil in my ATV as well? Snowmachine? Sorry, not much of an engine guy............ ??? ??? ??? ???

Amsoil Sabre Professional100:1 pre mix oil. Can order it in 1.5oz, 3.5oz, 8oz bottles, or by the quart.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: teamlund on Jan 12, 2012, 12:31 PM
well, I have been running my first tank of amsoil saber pro through my Eskimo Z71..... It seems to warm up faster, run smoother, starts easier, ect.... Well worth the $10 for a quart. Should last me about 5 years. I also run seafoam in my gas. My first tank was mixed 80:1....
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: MNEric90 on Feb 04, 2012, 10:39 PM
I just bought a StrikeMaster Lazer Mag today and used the strikemaster oil and 91 octane mix. should i just throw out the other gas and switch to amsoil? I also looked and there are only 8oz bottles, how do i go about measuring 2.6oz of oil to mix? any utensils to buy to do this?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: fishville on Feb 06, 2012, 10:54 AM
Try this
http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=17090
or this
http://www.amazon.com/Hopkins-10111-2-Cycle-Oil-Mixing-Tool/dp/B000G72U0K
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Feb 06, 2012, 12:32 PM
I just bought a StrikeMaster Lazer Mag today and used the strikemaster oil and 91 octane mix. should i just throw out the other gas and switch to amsoil? I also looked and there are only 8oz bottles, how do i go about measuring 2.6oz of oil to mix? any utensils to buy to do this?
I have a cheep OXO kitchen measuring cup I bought and leave it in the garage..  my wife got mad when I used her pampered chef one  :-) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: hoppy on Feb 28, 2012, 06:46 PM
Use it. I used interceptor before I switched over to klotz. I use klotz in all of my air cooled engines. I am a firewood dealer in the summer. No issues.

Going to use eskimo viper oil for the new auger for a few tanks, then not sure what I am going to use. Amsoil has left a sour taste in my mouth after my sled issues.

Klotz Fan Here!!!!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Mar 19, 2012, 10:15 AM
I have now switched to using OPTI-1. as it runs really good at 80:1 mix. Whens thats gone I will switch to Saber. As i can get it locally and now they stock the 2 gal bottle with a qt bottle.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: thebigshowshel on Nov 02, 2012, 10:57 PM
Is it better to use a pre-mixed solution or to mix it yourself?
I just bought an ice auger that calls a 50:1 solution and I haven't ever had to think about it before using a hand auger lol.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks,
thebigshowshel :)

Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Chris338378 on Nov 02, 2012, 11:38 PM
I mix my own using sthil 2 cycle oil and never had a problem.  Mixing your own is a lot cheaper than premix especially if you have to order it and have it shipped.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: blufloyd on Nov 03, 2012, 03:03 AM
Stihl here too.  And they call it premix because to use it you got to add it to gas. It doesn't come mixed with gas so do not buy a 2 gallon bottle and pour in your engine.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: thebigshowshel on Nov 04, 2012, 08:15 PM
Thank you, appreciate it!
thebigshowshel  :)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Nov 05, 2012, 07:30 AM
Is it better to use a pre-mixed solution or to mix it yourself?
I just bought an ice auger that calls a 50:1 solution and I haven't ever had to think about it before using a hand auger lol.
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks,
thebigshowshel :)
If this is a brand new auger, run your first tank with standard mix oil at 50:1 to let all the piston rings etc to seat..  then you can swith to a amsoil sabre and mix it approx 80:1 and it will run great!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: thebigshowshel on Nov 08, 2012, 10:57 PM
Thank you, I really appreciate that. 
I just picked up some Amsoil Sabre today based on what I've read about it.
I do have a brand new auger so would I be able to use the Amsoil at a different ratio?  Or what is your opinion and suggestion?
Thanks again,
thebigshowshel  :)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Nov 09, 2012, 07:52 AM
you can run the first tank at 50:1 with the sabre and then increase the ratio  i ran mine 80:1 mixed with 2x the dose of regular stabil and 93octane gas. 

to calculate the amount of oil you need
(#us gallons of gas X 128ounces) divided by your ratio you want (i.e 80, for 80:1)

for example   1gal gas X128oz/80   = 1.6 ounce of 2 stroke oil
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: anglerbrian on Nov 11, 2012, 03:35 PM
I have a 1997 Jiffy with the Tecumseh TC300 2 hp motor.  For the first 10 years I ran it at the reccomended 24:1 ratio. The last 4 at 40:1 with the jiffy oil that comes in the tune up kits.
After cleaning out my carboned up muffler this year I switched to Amsoil saber at 100:1 with a couple capfulls of Seafoam in my 1 gallon container. I put  A TANKFUL THROUGH IT AND IT IS RUNNING as good as ever probably better than ever. I did have to adjust my idle screw after to slow it down. I think this is great stuff no smoke starts good lots of others swear by it. You can teach an old dog new tricks.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ice dawg on Nov 11, 2012, 03:54 PM
This old dawg has been using Amsoil Saber for a long time in everything and swear by it.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: WalleyeTom on Nov 11, 2012, 04:08 PM
I'll stick with Opti-2.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Nov 12, 2012, 08:00 AM
This old dawg has been using Amsoil Saber for a long time in everything and swear by it.
Its great stuff
I did have to adjust my idle screw after to slow it down. I think this is great stuff no smoke starts good lots of others swear by it. You can teach an old dog new tricks.
you are correct in having to adjust the carb screws...  after the first tank I ran through mine it seemed it would bog, but after some adjustment it ran like the best with great shift into that strong cutting gear.....
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: teamlund on Dec 05, 2012, 05:04 AM
i switched to sabre last year after reading some of the info here... Well, a year later I have been running it in my chainsaw, leaf blower, eskimo shark, weedeater, ect and its awesome stuff! All my small engines start easier, run with less vibration, less smoke ect.... I will never buy any other type of oil. It costs twice as much as everything else but I use half as much oil so it evens out financially and my equip performes alot better!!!!! also, I run 80-1 and add alittle seafoam to every 1 gallon tank that I mix.... Great stuff!!!!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Voltaire on Dec 05, 2012, 08:21 AM
i switched to sabre last year after reading some of the info here... Well, a year later I have been running it in my chainsaw, leaf blower, eskimo shark, weedeater, ect and its awesome stuff! All my small engines start easier, run with less vibration, less smoke ect.... I will never buy any other type of oil. It costs twice as much as everything else but I use half as much oil so it evens out financially and my equip performes alot better!!!!! also, I run 80-1 and add alittle seafoam to every 1 gallon tank that I mix.... Great stuff!!!!


x3852
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: william bennett on Dec 07, 2012, 08:43 PM
i have been running the opti mix in all my  mixed gas for the auger to  chainsaws to weedeaters  leafblowers and snowblower.. man this stuff is so darn good. been using for for  a few years now   never looked back..bill
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Idahogator on Dec 07, 2012, 09:03 PM
I've found that I can't afford anything but the best on the Planet ~ Amsoil Sabre.     ;)2
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Dec 08, 2012, 07:47 AM
I've found that I can't afford anything but the best on the Planet ~ Amsoil Sabre.     ;)2
If you like that then you need to look into AMSOIL interceptor for Snowmobiles... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaImEatPebQ&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaImEatPebQ&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Idahogator on Dec 08, 2012, 01:34 PM
If you like that then you need to look into AMSOIL interceptor for Snowmobiles... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaImEatPebQ&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaImEatPebQ&feature=player_embedded)

It's been part of my inventory on the shelf since it was developed.  When I think back 34 years, to my first encounter, it's just amazing the knowledge one accumulates in that time. And being a Lifetime dealer helps, too.
Too bad they quit allowing LT's.  Something I've learned ~ some folks just can't be told the truth, as, it seems so unbelievable that only the best is in the line of products.
This isn't aimed at you MDB, I know you know this. Just spreading the facts to help non believers.    ;)2
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: BlueDevil on Dec 26, 2012, 09:59 PM
I'm running my Eskimo Shark 100:1!!!!

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb303/bluedevil98/2012%20Ice%20Fishing/7ADF6970-E11A-419B-883D-FFA276AC325E-1333-000000D89AB3B20B.jpg)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: jerrife on Jan 04, 2013, 03:22 PM
For all you Adirondack  boys, I was down in Queensbury today and FISH307 has pillow packs of the Amsoil Saber. I baught the last one the had today but they have more coming :thumbsup: :clap: :bow:
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: TightlineMT on Jan 10, 2013, 10:47 PM
If this is a brand new auger, run your first tank with standard mix oil at 50:1 to let all the piston rings etc to seat..  then you can swith to a amsoil sabre and mix it approx 80:1 and it will run great!
THANK YOU!!!

Was wondering if i should burn up the couple of single gallon 50:1 doses of Eskimo 2 stroke oil in my brand new Tanaka, then switch to the Saber Professional. I will order some of the Saber and do a break in on my new Nils powerhead tomorrow with this info you provided. Thanks!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Jan 11, 2013, 05:25 AM
THANK YOU!!!

Was wondering if i should burn up the couple of single gallon 50:1 doses of Eskimo 2 stroke oil in my brand new Tanaka, then switch to the Saber Professional. I will order some of the Saber and do a break in on my new Nils powerhead tomorrow with this info you provided. Thanks!
  I would say that you can run that extra stuff you have.  Then do the amsoil, no sense in wasting it.  you may want to change the plug when you switch..  make sure you add Seafoam and some Stabil (double dose) or Amsoil quickshot fuel system cleaner and stabilizer.  you will not be disappointed.  especially since you will then be able to use one mix for every 2 stroke you own!!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: TightlineMT on Jan 13, 2013, 11:18 PM
  I would say that you can run that extra stuff you have.  Then do the amsoil, no sense in wasting it.  you may want to change the plug when you switch..  make sure you add Seafoam and some Stabil (double dose) or Amsoil quickshot fuel system cleaner and stabilizer.  you will not be disappointed.  especially since you will then be able to use one mix for every 2 stroke you own!!
Looks like I have a couple of the little 2.6 oz bottles of Ardisam 2 cycle Viper oil that I will be burning first, then to the Saber. If I am not mistaken, Ardisam owns Eskimo. Thanks.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: pole_smoker on Jan 24, 2013, 10:53 AM
I purchased a gently use Strikemaster Lazer Mag that really did not run that hot. Calls for a 24:1 mix. When I got it, you should have seen the oil mix coming out of the muffler and the smoke it was bellowing.
I changed that gas and put in a 80:1 mix of Saber/Seafoam/Stabil and fresh fuel. Also changed the plug once I had the new fuel mix in and there is a noticable difference on the color
The thing now runs awesome and start very nice. I am now a fan of the saber.
Have ran it in others without issue but for some reason it just seems that the motor (tecumseh) runs best on the mix.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Jan 24, 2013, 05:42 PM
I purchased a gently use Strikemaster Lazer Mag that really did not run that hot. Calls for a 24:1 mix. When I got it, you should have seen the oil mix coming out of the muffler and the smoke it was bellowing.
I changed that gas and put in a 80:1 mix of Saber/Seafoam/Stabil and fresh fuel. Also changed the plug once I had the new fuel mix in and there is a noticable difference on the color
The thing now runs awesome and start very nice. I am now a fan of the saber.
Have ran it in others without issue but for some reason it just seems that the motor (tecumseh) runs best on the mix.
another happy customer... tell your friends!!!  Now you have 1 mix for all your 2 strokes!!
 ;D
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Nam 69 on Feb 12, 2013, 02:18 PM
I have been mixing my gas with Amsoil and never had a problem with starting and running on the ice. I have a old friend that has a Jiffy and he is pulling his to try and start it and he is wore out . I told him Amsoil baby
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Bull Giller on Mar 08, 2013, 10:14 PM
Amsoil Saber 50:1
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Idahogator on Mar 08, 2013, 11:54 PM
Amsoil Saber 50:1

Would you care to tell us your reason why such a rich ratio is needed?    ;)2
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Mar 09, 2013, 07:35 AM
Would you care to tell us your reason why such a rich ratio is needed?    ;)2
yeah... mine ends up being about 80:1 then I add seafoam and AMSOIL quickshot.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: xcr440 on Mar 12, 2013, 05:02 PM
I am now using vp fuels 50:1 Pre mixed 94 octane.  No ethananol and 2 year shelf life.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: OldSailor on Nov 02, 2013, 07:07 PM
http://homes.yahoo.com/news/dont-put-wrong-gas-mower-blower-190000477.html (http://homes.yahoo.com/news/dont-put-wrong-gas-mower-blower-190000477.html)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Rebelss on Nov 02, 2013, 07:37 PM
As we've been saying all along..... ::)  Good post, Sailor.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: rlvb on Nov 02, 2013, 09:30 PM
don't use gas with ANY ethanol in it.Period........
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: lefty2053 on Nov 02, 2013, 10:58 PM
I am lucky the nearest gas I can buy is the only Non-Ethanol gas with in 200 Plus miles of me. My Post office doubles as a Petroleum Store selling gas and Oil products to Farmers. It is less then 1/2 Mile away. So when I fill up the Truck I also fill up the tank  I use on the Lawn Mower. I usually buy Mid grade at 87 Octane.  So this is what I use during Ice fishing season as well.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: PowerHour on Nov 03, 2013, 12:03 AM
I been wondering this myself. I work at a Airport, anybody running 100LL? People come in and get it for small engines but I'm not risking my strikemaster. Info please ?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Idahogator on Nov 03, 2013, 12:19 AM
Here you go PowerHour. Good luck.       Let us know if this info is still valid.  Thanx.

    Columbus    HYVEE    87    Hy Vee Gas [402-563-0802]    3012 23rd St             ;)2
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: IceBalls on Nov 03, 2013, 12:31 AM
There's no such thing as NON-ETHANOL gas around here (Long Island, NY), so I'm just stuck and hoping for the best.  Now our S.O.B. government wants to INCREASE  the Ethanol to 15%.  Why don't they just take an axe to my equipment and save me the aggravation???
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mr.clean on Nov 03, 2013, 01:59 AM
Oldsailor thank you for posting the link. PowerHour there was a member from New Hampshire user name of Surf Lizard who started a thread a few years back about using what he called AV gas in his auger.
 Someone also posted on here about a device called the Mix Mizer it looks like the flavor injectors used to marinate meats. It has scales on each side one in metric the other in English. The scales show you how much oil to withdraw from a bottle to make the various gas/oil mixture ratios by U.S. pint or quart or metric half and full liter.The U.S. ratios shown range from16 to 1 up to 100 to1 . I know not everyone has quick access to gas stations so mixing small batches of 2 cycle mixture may not be an option for everyone. The only power equipment I currently own that uses 2 cycle mixture is a Toro snow blower . My driveway is small only 30 feet long.Also I reside in a suburban town near it's business center so have multiple gas stations with in ten miles of my home.
  Please someone refresh my memory as to why ethanol was first added to gasoline. I believe it does what lead and then mtbe once were used to do and provides more oxygen and boosts the octane of gasoline.  I will if I still have the product info. that came with the Mix Mizer so anyone interested can try to find the item. I purchased mine at Walmart.
Steve
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: bugchazer on Nov 03, 2013, 05:54 AM
Lowes and home depot both sell tru fuel . Non ethanol fuel in cans ,(about $6:00 a quart). Expensive but I just burned up my chain saw with crap ethenal fuel , not gonna risk auger any more. We will see. :whistle:
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: filetandrelease on Nov 03, 2013, 06:23 AM



i'm lucky we now have stations close by that carrie non E 91 octane and everything I own gets it and you can see a big difference
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Rebelss on Nov 03, 2013, 07:25 AM
  (Quote)  (Please someone refresh my memory as to why ethanol was first added to gasoline. I believe it does what lead and then mtbe once were used to do and provides more oxygen and boosts the octane of gasoline. )
Steve


As stated, Ethanol has nothing to do with octane rating. It is an additive. Ethanol was first developed and used as a renewable energy source during the early gas crisis; and developed to be used as a Biofuel additive, and because it is a renewable energy source. Also, subsidies paid to certain groups to produce ethanol turned into a political gambit forcing it upon the American public, in the race to compete with Brazil's almost total usage of Ethanol as a motor fuel. As stated, it is nothing but grain alcohol which destroys anything it is put into.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: scmelik on Nov 03, 2013, 08:08 AM
don't use gas with ANY ethanol in it.Period........

Rlvb, we can't (or shouldn't be able to) get any gas in sd that doesn't have ethonal in it anymore.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: PerchAssault on Nov 03, 2013, 09:00 AM
I have sold a product for three years made by VP Racing fuels.  It is called SEF 94 and it was specifically designed for use in small engines that may sit for a year between uses.  Originally formulated for emergency crew tools, generators, jaws of life etc.

NO ethanol, 94 octane and premixed in 40:1, 50:1 and straight gas. Quarts, Gallons, and larger.  The quarts are the best thing for the ice angler as you can keep a can with you at all times.

Indefinite shelf life in un-opened can, recommended to use within 2 years once opened.  You will not believe the difference in starting, running and cleaning out old, poor running engines.  In fact there is a new product this year called "Fix It Fuel".  If you have any small 2 or 4 stroke engine that is not running due to a fuel related issue, it will FIX IT!

There are several threads here on Ice Shanty you can search for more info, success stories etc.  Just search "SEF 94".  I am in Montana and can arrange for shipping or delivery this winter to SD, MN, WI.  I will be at the ST Paul Ice show, the Wasau Ice Show and at the Ice Duels tournaments in the afore mentioned states.  PM me for more info.

It is the ONLY fuel I and many, many others run in our augers, weedeaters, chain saws, etc.

Mike
www.iceduels.com (http://www.iceduels.com)
www.howesfishing.com (http://www.howesfishing.com)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: neveruminda on Nov 03, 2013, 09:10 AM
wreaks havoc on small engine lubricity     

Sea Foam seems to help offset the issue when non-ethanol isn't available
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Idahogator on Nov 03, 2013, 09:50 AM
There's no such thing as NON-ETHANOL gas around here (Long Island, NY), so I'm just stuck and hoping for the best.  Now our S.O.B. government wants to INCREASE  the Ethanol to 15%.  Why don't they just take an axe to my equipment and save me the aggravation???
You may need drive a few miles to find it, but NY has a few outlets for Pure-gas.     ;)2
   
  http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=NY (http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=NY)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Idahogator on Nov 03, 2013, 09:55 AM
Rlvb, we can't (or shouldn't be able to) get any gas in sd that doesn't have ethonal in it anymore.
Have you tried here scmelik ?         Brookings    BP    87 91    Bp [605-692-6880]    2420 6th St

    ;)2
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Rebelss on Nov 03, 2013, 09:56 AM
I think we should all fire up our augers and do a march on Washington... :woot:
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Idahogator on Nov 03, 2013, 10:15 AM
Good plan Reb, use a rich mix and smoke 'em out.   :roflmao:
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Greg2ha on Nov 03, 2013, 10:43 AM
I lost my weed whacker and now hav e issues with my gas auger  because of using gas with ethanol in it. Hopefully they can fix the auger.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Idahogator on Nov 03, 2013, 10:52 AM
I lost my weed whacker and now hav e issues with my gas auger  because of using gas with ethanol in it. Hopefully they can fix the auger.
Have you tried here, Greg2ha ?

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Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: J_Edwards on Nov 03, 2013, 11:00 AM
From pure-gas.org

Alaska: all gasoline is ethanol-free.



 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: scmelik on Nov 03, 2013, 11:04 AM
Have you tried here scmelik ?         Brookings    BP    87 91    Bp [605-692-6880]    2420 6th St

    ;)2

Not sure where this info came from but it's dated. Every gas station in brookings is running a minimum of 10% ethanol in all blends
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Rebelss on Nov 03, 2013, 11:05 AM
From pure-gas.org

Alaska: all gasoline is ethanol-free.



 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


How spendy is your gas "up there"?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Rebelss on Nov 03, 2013, 11:07 AM
Not sure where this info came from but it's dated. Every gas station in brookings is running a minimum of 10% ethanol in all blends

I just found out a bit ago from someone else on IS that their state, which WAS ethanol free, as of October 31st, is now Ethanol....  I think it's being pushed down everyone's throat, regardless.  >:(
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: J_Edwards on Nov 03, 2013, 11:10 AM
It's about $3.60 for 87 and $3.95 for diesel in Anchorage. 

Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Rebelss on Nov 03, 2013, 11:13 AM
Thanks, henry. Down to $3.10 for 87 WITH ethanol here, in the corn belt.  :%$#!: One or two pumps in town with non-oxy for about $4.15 gallon.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Idahogator on Nov 03, 2013, 11:20 AM
 >:(
I just found out a bit ago from someone else on IS that their state, which WAS ethanol free, as of October 31st, is now Ethanol....  I think it's being pushed down everyone's throat, regardless.  >:(
YIKES ! Someone has been really busy to shut down all these stations.     Time to up-date the site.   

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=SD
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: toofuss on Nov 03, 2013, 11:56 AM
Star tron is another good additive if your forced into elthenol blended fuel. Here in iowa we can still find it here and there but its usually higher priced and lower octane than the regular blended fuel. Also finding regular diesel that is not a bio blend is near impossible.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: filetandrelease on Nov 05, 2013, 07:51 AM


when I was burning E fuel I dumped star tron and stabil in my gas and no trouble my verado ran fine as did the rest of my stuff

but now they have E free fuel around i'm on it
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: dbike988 on Dec 30, 2013, 01:39 AM
I lost my weed whacker and now hav e issues with my gas auger  because of using gas with ethanol in it. Hopefully they can fix the auger.

Replacing gas lines and maybe a carburetor should make it run like new.  Do note...that some carbs some in untuned for the engine.

Most Premium Unleaded fuel is ethanol free, most should probably run this in their auger.  Adding a fuel stabilizer with ethanol protection is not a bad idea either way.

Seafoam is a miracle worker.  It covers all of your bases.  Also, Amsoil is probably the best oil to use as they are the only ones that have true synthetic.  I like the Marine Saber or regular Saber oils.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: mainedukblaster on Jan 01, 2014, 07:51 PM
Replacing gas lines and maybe a carburetor should make it run like new.  Do note...that some carbs some in untuned for the engine.

Most Premium Unleaded fuel is ethanol free, most should probably run this in their auger.  Adding a fuel stabilizer with ethanol protection is not a bad idea either way.

Seafoam is a miracle worker.  It covers all of your bases.  Also, Amsoil is probably the best oil to use as they are the only ones that have true synthetic.  I like the Marine Saber or regular Saber oils.
Premium fuel has ethanol in it, but usually less than 87 octane, but it is still susceptible to phase seperation,  I agree with using AMSOIL, and using a good fuel stabilizer, Stabil or startron ;)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ice dawg on Jan 22, 2014, 12:01 PM
I'm still running ethanol free gas since one station in town blends 91 octane premium with 84 octane regular so we can buy 87 octane regular. It's 20 cents per gallon more, but beats running premium in everything.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Kevin23 on Jan 25, 2014, 04:15 PM
We have 2 stations in town that have non oxy. Both BP. its 91 non oxy and was 3.49 when I filled the auger can a couple weeks ago. No need to use ethanol here.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ice dawg on Feb 16, 2014, 02:29 PM
I think we should be able to buy non-oxy gas everywhere. If ethanol is so great make it a choice instead of forcing it on us as consumers. Take the subsidies away and let it stand alone as a choice at the pump. Then figure a way to get rid of it after it goes through fuel separation in the ground. I think government has taken enough choices away from us.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: thewyler on Oct 23, 2015, 03:50 PM
The problem with non oxy is there is still the bulk tank issue, go with tru fuel, its much more expensive but i doubt you will use more than 1 can a season.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: FishGut on Jan 01, 2016, 07:07 PM
Ten percent ethanol gas became a norm 25 years ago. Any company that can't engineer a motor to deal with it in that amount of time shouldn't be in business. The same goes for any "ethanol eats gaskets" argument.

Buying and mixing more fuel than you'll use in a week or two is your own fault.

Once a week, whatever's in the gas cans (summer gas for the mower, winter mix for the snow thrower) gets poured into my kids' car. They get an extra 10 to 20 miles, and I start every time with fresh fuel.









Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: ryan3703 on Jan 01, 2016, 07:09 PM
VP small engine 40:1 mix 94 octane no ethanol is what I use in my strikemaster
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: JonPerry on Jan 02, 2016, 12:23 PM
Not sure if this has been posted yet. I came across it the other day ;)
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: esox_xtm on Sep 23, 2017, 07:24 PM
Ten percent ethanol gas became a norm 25 years ago. Any company that can't engineer a motor to deal with it in that amount of time shouldn't be in business. The same goes for any "ethanol eats gaskets" argument.

Buying and mixing more fuel than you'll use in a week or two is your own fault.

Once a week, whatever's in the gas cans (summer gas for the mower, winter mix for the snow thrower) gets poured into my kids' car. They get an extra 10 to 20 miles, and I start every time with fresh fuel.

Since you poked the zombie Jon I'm bumpin' this with a "two thumbs up" rating.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

FishGut is the 2nd smartest man on the planet!
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: icemann13 on Jan 19, 2018, 06:50 PM
I am new to power augers and bought a Eskimo Fi this year. Have almost used a small can of Tru fuel so far and it fires right up with a good RPM. Nice pink color too to see through the gas tank. For my limited usage I can handle the premium cost of this fuel.

I have always used Stabil on all my 2 cycle tools in the summer for winter storage. I store them wet and they always start come spring with a few pulls. Should I do the same come late winter for my auger storage?
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: esox_xtm on Jan 22, 2018, 06:03 AM

I have always used Stabil on all my 2 cycle tools in the summer for winter storage. I store them wet and they always start come spring with a few pulls. Should I do the same come late winter for my auger storage?

Absolutely! Dry storage is harder on stuff than running ethanol.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: badger132 on Dec 30, 2018, 06:16 PM
I always keep a 5 gallon can of non- ethanol fuel in the garage- in a steel gas can without a vent. A gas can with a vent, or even a plastic one breathes enough that I can smell it, and if gas fumes get out, air gets in, and if it is humid, the ethanol in the gas absorbs it, and over time seems to form a webby stringy mess in the tank. I try to keep the tanks in the engines completely empty and drain the carb, or completely full.
My dad took several small engine classes at the tech college, and they started him on Seafoam. That seems to make his snowblowers and mowers start every time.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: Iceattic on Dec 30, 2018, 06:50 PM
I had issues with my jiffy gas auger from day one. And someone told me to use tru fuel and what a difference it's in a quart can at Home depot  ($6). I have a landscaping business and I use the no spill gas cans with stabill.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: dbike988 on Jan 02, 2019, 08:33 PM
X2 for the TruFuel or VP Small Engine Pre-mix.  This stuff lasts forever as I believe they both have stabilizers in it.

For those who run tons of fuel, non-ethanol and stabil then mix with Amsoil Saber before you add it to the machine.  Stabil your fuel right away, never know if a can sits for a week or a few months.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: SnowPlane22 on Feb 02, 2019, 11:43 AM
https://www.husqvarna.com/us/accessories/2-stroke-fuel-oil/xp-2-stroke-pre-mixed-fuel/581158701/


I've been picking up this stuff this year once I finally got my auger going after being accidently stored with ethanol junk in it (last time out wasn't intended to be last time out and never got summarized) and it has worked great for me.
Title: Re: Proper gas for small engines!
Post by: my-marty on Feb 03, 2019, 09:26 AM
Just switched to VP premixed 94 octane in my jiffy legend yesterday. It awakened that auger instantly. Idle is much smoother and no longer dies in between holes. I never even had to choke it when starting. I will never go back to mixing regular gas again.