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Title: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: Firefightertom32 on Sep 06, 2017, 08:45 AM
Here it is!

http://www.rapala.com/marcum/accessories/lithium-shuttle/MLS.html?cgid=marcum-accessories#start=4&cgid=marcum-accessories

Anyone going to bite the bullet and get one?
I don't see the LX-9 being a supported unit for this, even know it's basically a LX-7?? Maybe the rate of consumption on the 9 is greater than the 7? Lithium batteries can be a tricky beast!
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: vanhln on Sep 06, 2017, 09:29 AM
Wow!  $249 for that!???  I'm sure its a fine product but.... my wallet has a hole in it just thinking about it....
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: TheCrappieFisherman on Sep 06, 2017, 09:52 AM
Wow!  $249 for that!???  I'm sure its a fine product but.... my wallet has a hole in it just thinking about it....

The battery alone is probably $100-150. But yes, it is not cheap! Definitely looks nice though.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Sep 06, 2017, 10:08 AM
i'll buy one. 41 hours on a single charge is great! i have been waiting for the Li-po/lithium 12 volt to be more stable for us sonar users and it is not popular here yet, but this should change that.

you may want to watch the you tube video on where to place the transducer. it goes upside down and in the rear of the unit.. it looks like it is meant to be used w/o the soft shell carrying case being it has rod holders and the ducer placement in the rear.

the lx9 maybe heavy on the back with the added camera, so maybe they didn't mention it for that reason. i don't bring the camera much, so it won't be any problem to use it like a lx7.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: Firefightertom32 on Sep 06, 2017, 10:17 AM
Got a reply from Marcum. The LX-9 is compatible with the shuttle, but there are no clips for the camera pouch...
I think i can deal with that! LOL
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: Cfilbert on Sep 06, 2017, 10:20 AM
I was thinking of getting this for my Vexilar FL28.  Will it fit?
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Sep 06, 2017, 10:40 AM
i'm sure some us lx9 users will figure out a way to use the camera with it. thinking side mount so far.

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mine is on the way!
thanks tom!!
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: Firefightertom32 on Sep 06, 2017, 10:50 AM
I was thinking of getting this for my Vexilar FL28.  Will it fit?
Yes, they offer an adapter cable for other electronics, $30 i believe.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: Junkie4Ice on Sep 06, 2017, 11:01 AM
I thought I enjoyed ice fishing but if people are fishing for 40 hours straight then I need to step it up!
 
I have yet to drain through a full battery after fishing sun-up to sun-down. This will be my 4th winter with it so I might need to replace the battery (for $25) this year. Is a lithium ion battery really necessary or is it just about having the "best of the best". I could buy 10 batteries for that price which would last me 30+ years...The dual USB ports would be nice though, I suppose this set-up could replace a battery box inside a portable.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: mbart on Sep 06, 2017, 11:03 AM
IDO forum had some discussion on the shuttle.
https://www.in-depthoutdoors.com/community/forums/topic/marcum-m5-lithium-shuttle-combo-unveiled-at-icast/
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: TheCrappieFisherman on Sep 06, 2017, 11:06 AM
IDO forum had some discussion on the shuttle.
https://www.in-depthoutdoors.com/community/forums/topic/marcum-m5-lithium-shuttle-combo-unveiled-at-icast/

Some great photos of the unit in that thread from James Holst.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Sep 06, 2017, 11:15 AM
Yes, they offer an adapter cable for other electronics, $30 i believe.

25$
https://shop.marcumtech.com/product/lithium-shuttle-power-adapter/
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Sep 06, 2017, 12:06 PM
I thought I enjoyed ice fishing but if people are fishing for 40 hours straight then I need to step it up!
 
I have yet to drain through a full battery after fishing sun-up to sun-down. This will be my 4th winter with it so I might need to replace the battery (for $25) this year. Is a lithium ion battery really necessary or is it just about having the "best of the best". I could buy 10 batteries for that price which would last me 30+ years...The dual USB ports would be nice though, I suppose this set-up could replace a battery box inside a portable.
i run LED lighting for (quick) charging and fishing in the dark. it's a COB bar type daytime running light from amazon and it does run the sla battery down and i carry a spare because of it. this will resolve that problem and offer 2/3 less weight and have 12 amp hours instead of 8 amp hours (stock). it gets dark around 5pm and i fish til midnight at times. depends on the bite and company. so that's up to seven hours with the lighting on nonstop plus the day time fishing on the battery. i start around 3pm. so that's up to nine hours fishing and i fish a lot. on digital display, the sun tries to fade them away so you turn up the back light. the back light is one of the biggest battery killers on board besides the high power output of the sonar. like your smart phone, if you turn it to see in strong day light it kills your battery much faster.
the LED lighting i use is hot glued to the bottom of the head unit and works very well as you can see. i can grab the sonar and fish all the holes i have with out needing a head lamp on and it's always there. with this shuttle having a light w/o knowing the throw of it, i will leave my LED lights on my head unit and see if i still need them. I like how this set up works and having an optional light with this shuttle will be nice if it works even better than i think it will. maybe i can change the LED to a ultraviolet one for charging bait.
(https://s20.postimg.cc/yrtfazct9/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Sep 08, 2017, 11:19 AM
mine showed up today.  i did take un-boxing photos i can put some up later.
here's what i can share.

*the bucket is in a sealed 5 gal  you have to open it like a new bucket of paint. at least you know it's not used or would think that as hard as it is to open.

*the front light is on a momentary switch and does not offer full time fishing light like i thought it would be. i will keep my COB LED lighting intact.

*the switch is off/on/light. when you turn iton the battery indicator lights up at 72% and the USB charge ports light up in blue.

*the USB charge ports are 3.1 amps it has a vinyl cap that flips up instead of allowing gravity hold it down. it can be damaged or torn off, but is attached.

*the base has screw in inserts on both side to hold some thing, but not sure yet what they are for.

*the base comes pre-drilled to mount your sonar on the base.

*carries a one year warranty. would be nice to be able to extend that some how. such as offer an extended warranty.

*feels like it weighs about 3 pounds.

*has dual articulating handle with locking spokes.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: hardwater diehard on Sep 08, 2017, 12:29 PM
mine showed up today.  i did take un-boxing photos i can put some up later.
here's what i can share.

*the bucket is in a sealed 5 gal  you have to open it like a new bucket of paint. at least you know it's not used or would think that as hard as it is to open.

*the front light is on a momentary switch and does not offer full time fishing light like i thought it would be. i will keep my COB LED lighting intact.


*the base has screw in inserts on both side to hold some thing, but not sure yet what they are for.



Is it a regular size 5 gallon bucket  or oversized like pool chemical bucket ?. Not liking the momentary switch . I believe the screw holes are standard 1/4 20 ...for Ram type mounts ...you can then add options for GPS ...cellphones etc
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Sep 08, 2017, 03:20 PM
Turns out the light switch is a stay on type and not a momentary. The ducer arm is bolted on so tight that it was pushing on the bottom of the switch. the bucket is a standard 5 gal size. 12 x 14.5 inches.

After getting it put together i found ir leans hard forward when you lift it.

It is still heavy with out the camera and a few pounds lighter than the stock shuttle.
Adding the camera bag will help with the balance like does with the stock shuttle.

The lx9 will nor fit the bucket with head leaning at the stock angle. You have to loosen the side screws on the head so it points straight up and then it's a tight fit, but fits.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: DBV on Sep 08, 2017, 04:33 PM
Thanks for the early comments, so do you think it is worth the upgrade?

Turns out the light switch is a stay on type and not a momentary. The ducer arm is bolted on so tight that it was pushing on the bottom of the switchthe bucket is a standared 5 gal size. 12 x 14.5 inches.

After getting it put toghether i found ir leans hard forward when you lift it.

Ir is still heavy with out the camera and a few pounds lighter than the  stock shuttle.
Adding the camera bag will help with the balance like does with the stock shuttle.

The lx9 will nor fit the bucket with head leaning at the stock angle. You have to loosen the side svrews on the head so it points straight up and then it,s a tight fit,but fits.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Sep 08, 2017, 06:59 PM
The run times and being made for it and the features are why i bought it, so yes i am glad to have one to use this upcoming season.
I was concerned about using this type of battery. With marcum selling it for their units, it takes my concerns away.
They should have put the battery to the rear to help balance it is the biggest issue i can see with it.

They did add a float tray for folks that still use them. It has a drain slot that empties into the rear center rod holder and that drains out the rear of that.

I think the built in light will be fine and i can retire the cob lighting.

The extra ram mounts sounds great too.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: hays47 on Sep 08, 2017, 10:30 PM

I have two lithium lifepo4 batteries wired in parallel. Which holds voltage to same as one battery but doubles the AH. In my case @ 48 AH and it only weighs about 5 lb. Overkill probably but I rather have way too much than run out. Expensive but cheaper than this shuttle.

Running a 9 in Garmin ECHOMAP 92sv with panoptix. Plus any lighting I care to use. Got everything bundled in an old milk crate with unit on top.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: Firefightertom32 on Sep 11, 2017, 06:55 AM
I have two lithium lifepo4 batteries wired in parallel. Which holds voltage to same as one battery but doubles the AH. In my case @ 48 AH and it only weighs about 5 lb. Overkill probably but I rather have way too much than run out. Expensive but cheaper than this shuttle.

Running a 9 in Garmin ECHOMAP 92sv with panoptix. Plus any lighting I care to use. Got everything bundled in an old milk crate with unit on top.

What are you using for a charger?
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: hays47 on Sep 11, 2017, 09:28 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/nA4JBoW.jpg) (https://imgur.com/nA4JBoW)

Best one I found. If regular SLA charger is used battery cannot reach full potential.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Sep 11, 2017, 10:02 AM
looking forward to using my new shuttle. a milk create seems a little bulky to hole hop for me. thanks tho.
i do use and enjoy garmin products and their newest sonar line up looks promising for other sonar manufactures to incorporate. i do watch them as the progress with time.

specs on hays charger
https://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-14-6V-LiFePO4-Battery-Charger/dp/B008RPGU5E

 Intelligent charger designed for 4 cell LiFePO4 battery packs.
CPU control and pulse width modulation (PWM) technology, charging current and output voltage is controlled accurately to ensure fully-charged and avoid over-charging.
Built-in cooling fan to ensure charger long service life.
Safety protection: Over Voltage Protection, Short Circuit Protection, Output Reverse Protection
Built-in IC to cut-off power automatically when battery is fully charged.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: hays47 on Sep 11, 2017, 02:45 PM
As a fellow hole hopper I understand your concern. But the main mission is to locate and catch fish. Covering a 200' diameter of any given area with just one hole. Helps to eliminate the reason to move continually. Not only that the panoptix tells which direction to move and how far. The Lake Vu Ultra map chip with hotspots also is a big help.

Just applying what I used in open water fishing onto the hard stuff. It is bulky but really light. Thanks to the Lifepo4 batteries. If it works the way it does on open water. The need to move to keep on the fish will be much faster and easier. Most guys carry something to mount their fish finder on anyways. To prevent bending on knees to see the display like the " experts" in the videos do. Just too darn old to do that anymore.

To me the increase of info is worth the bulk. To others it may not.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: joemx1825 on Sep 12, 2017, 08:24 AM
the shuttle idea is cool, but I like to keep my electronics protected in a case, the LX7/9 soft case is fine with a little modding of the strap.  How long before we see the first post of a opened Marcum bucket with a LX6/7/9 in pieces after a long run on the lake?

I would have really liked to see them build this shuttle that replaces the one in the existing soft pack..

for those who buy a new brushless M series or a new LX combo, the added shuttle price is only $150
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: DBV on Sep 12, 2017, 09:16 AM
Agree with you.  I would rather have a carryable soft case than a bucket.  Don't understand why they did not provide both.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Sep 12, 2017, 10:22 AM
Agree with you.  I would rather have a carryable soft case than a bucket.  Don't understand why they did not provide both.
because it looks like they tried to balance the shuttle better by removing the front platter to rest your transducer on when not in use. now it lays upside down in the rear of the unit next to two rod holders. kind of hard to do this with a casing around it all.
it is water tight enough for ice fishing. i wouldn't go scuba diving with it.

it also now has an adjustable angle carry handle and adjustable height. the soft side carry case would hinder this too.

i know i won't be using the bucket that came with it. there isn't much you can hurt on the unit with leads not being in the open/exposed energy and the rain/snow shield on the display. there is a warranty on it all if any thing goes wrong anyway. if some thing does go wrong, we always have the original shuttle to use while the new one gets repaired.

i think marcum was listening to the complaints of those who use buckets (must have had many of them) and couldn't get their lx6 to fit one, so they changed the shuttle they used to use (the lx6 used to use the lx7 shuttle) and switched to the lx5 shuttle. they gave the lx6 a different name after that so you would know which shuttle you were buying.
this new shuttle should become popular for more than just marcum brand because it does fit a bucket. at least that had been the complaint prior to the shuttle change on the lx6 and now this shuttle comes in a bucket so people know it fits one.

i know there is not many photos for people to check it out, so here are some of mine i took for you.

(https://s20.postimg.cc/imobe10gt/SEALED.BUCKET.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/su6uqfmot/OPENED.BUCKET.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/6nct6puvx/TOP.FRONT.jpg)

here you can see the slots built in for water draing for those who might still use a float system. under the handle is a tray for that with a drain slot that dumps into the rod holder that then drains out of the back. you can also see the handle slots that allow you to extend the handle up or down. the right pocket is the transducer stand and there are three hooks to weave the transducer cable around on the bottom and next to the stand.
(https://s20.postimg.cc/o1x1ezs0t/TOP.REAR.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/llv8159y5/CLOSE-_UP_LEFT.FRONT.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/ou4arxllp/CLOSE-_UP.RIGHT_FRONT.jpg)

one could use the battery charge port as a power tap in this lower picture.
(https://s20.postimg.cc/q1dn6emcd/TOP.LEFT.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/srrkhc8f1/TOP.RIGHT.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/5jsoura8t/CARD.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.cc/64cbb6sv1/CARD.B.jpg)
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: joemx1825 on Sep 12, 2017, 12:40 PM
i'll wait to see real world run times and how it holds up after a season, I like the idea, just wish it offered more protection for my $1,300 LX9

For those looking to use a LX-9 with it, you could easily buy some spare female snap connectors and attach them to the carry handle for the camera bag..
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: missoulafish on Sep 30, 2017, 12:21 PM
quick review video...
Click here (https://www.facebook.com/TargetWalleye/videos/1958069731127909/?hc_ref=ARQuyi0A7L55dAI9BIuN8ccpeGbUHyGty9zLlziNCmJV36OEraVU_aFgDEcTTqNeHBM)
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: Papa Sly on Oct 01, 2017, 11:21 AM
wish they would make one similar for the showdown
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Oct 01, 2017, 07:21 PM
you should be able to mount your showdown onto the gimbal mount platform area. it is hollow underneath where the 4 pre-drilled holes are. you can see it is hollow looking at the third photo you can see the white plastic of the buckets lid thru the holes that are pre-drilled. seems like the showdown i had for a very short time (shipped with a damaged gimbal) had a tiny square foot print/mount that should fit easily.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Oct 13, 2017, 01:49 PM
i found where to get the replacement 12 volt 12 amp hour battery for when you need a new one. you only get so many chargers before needing to replace them. they are 130$ if you want to do the work or 140$ if you want them to install it.
the charger, should it burn out some day or get lost, is 40$

here is the link for the battery:
https://shop.marcumtech.com/product/lithium-shuttle-battery-replacement/

per item costs are:
battery is 130$
charger is 40$
shuttle is 55$ when using the 10% discount code.
that's 170$ with out the shuttle.
buying the combo means a free shuttle. you only pay for the battery and charger.


 
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: prospector on Oct 14, 2017, 01:12 PM
how hard would they be to change during a trip on the ice do you think?
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Oct 14, 2017, 04:18 PM
it is rated for up to 40 hours and you can charge it in your vehicle or a/c outlet, but if you had to change it, it has 17 screws under it holding the bottom plate on.

(https://s1.postimg.cc/3pdw3780zf/DSC_0099.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3pdw3780zf/)
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: prospector on Oct 14, 2017, 06:12 PM
Thanks 3300. I will be interested to see how long it lasts with an lx7 or 9 at 50% backlight. Big difference in run times on a flasher versus an 8" Lx screen.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Oct 14, 2017, 06:25 PM
i could turn it on and just let it run to find out if you want to know. i might have to aim a security camera onto it in case i'm not watching it when it dies.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: prospector on Oct 14, 2017, 06:42 PM
i could turn it on and just let it run to find out if you want to know. i might have to aim a security camera onto it in case i'm not watching it when it dies.
I wouldn't turn down the offer. If you do, could you put the ducer in some water and run it as well. You have a 9 right? 50% back light and I use the night mode on the settings. If you get 30 hours or more, I may have to pick up a couple of shuttles. Thanks! :bow:
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Oct 14, 2017, 07:39 PM
working on charging to 100% first. yep, it's a 9. why would you want the transducer in water?
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test one:
started at 1am on 10/15/17
50% back light.
demo mode.
first charge on the battery.

update 2:
12 hours in and the battery indicator says 57% remaining.

update 3:
it shut down and had 15% battery left at 9pm.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
i know your not supposed to run this type of battery down to zero voltage, so some thing told it to quit before then. it should be a bms circuit preventing damage from over discharge.

so it had a 20 hour continuous run time with the 50% back light and in demo mode.
(end of test one)

i don't run mine that bright and only use it on 10% near sunset and it stays at 10% for the rest of the time on ice.
being marcum said up to 40 hours, it must mean with the digital screens set to a minimum and the lx6 would be a smaller screen to draw less energy. their claim maybe for their mechanical flashers and not their digital sonars. flashers go a long time on a single charge with sla batteries.

i'll probably run another test with it on 10% back light next. back lights are what kill our phones and tablets batteries the most.
the battery is on the charger again.
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test 2:
started @ 10am on10/16/17.
not in demo mode.
ice mode.
12 sensitivity.
20 degree cone angle.
0 target separation.
0 ir.
10% back light.

update on test 2:
12 hours in.
73% battery remaining.

update 2 on test 2:
24 hours in.
44% battery remaining.
so it's used 29% to run 12 hours non stop usage on this phase.

final update:
29 hours in and the unit shut off.
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so it gained another 9 hours turning the back light down to 10% from 50%. yet another test might prove that turning the back light up to 100% would loose 9 hours from the 20 hour 50% back light test.
it's not the claimed 40 hours marcum said it can get up to, so i suspect that claim to be for their older tech, that uses less energy like their mechanical flashers.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: prospector on Oct 14, 2017, 08:27 PM
 Probably doesn’t need to be in water. Just as long as it is in use, because I assume a lot of your battery power is directed to it. For some reason I have always been uncomfortable running my ducer too much out of the water. Probably just a little superstitious And shows my lack of understanding of how they really work on the inside.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: BaitBucket on Oct 15, 2017, 07:11 AM
I built a Lithium Ion battery pack for my unit last season. I used 4x LG HG2 3000mAh 18650. I was able to get all four for about 30$ on amazon. The battery pack fits into a small waterproof box. The whole thing fits perfect in a hard-side 6x8 cooler. Weighs about 2lbs, about half the weight of a lead acid battery. Have had it on for over 8hrs without it dying.

(https://i.imgur.com/Gtoebhnh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/K044XkBh.jpg)

Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: prospector on Oct 15, 2017, 07:24 AM
Nice work! Please tell us about your light as well!
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: BaitBucket on Oct 15, 2017, 07:34 AM
Nice work! Please tell us about your light as well!

Its a GloCup. There was a ember on the forums here that made them with a 3D printer. Its completely waterproof. I just drop my glow jig in the cup and it charges up in a few seconds.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: prospector on Oct 15, 2017, 07:37 AM
Thanks, I remember reading that thread. Now to find it.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: FarNorth on Oct 15, 2017, 08:47 AM
Thanks, I remember reading that thread. Now to find it.
I bought one last year.  Works great.

https://www.facebook.com/IceJagerCustom/

I contacted him through Facebook.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: prospector on Oct 15, 2017, 10:27 AM
Thanks! You guys are great!!!
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: Fishtrekker on Oct 18, 2017, 10:22 AM
There probably is some misinformation out there and people throwing the 40 number around as that is what they will get on every unit they put the shuttle on. (People only hear what they want to hear sometimes right? haha)  I have heard many people out there saying 40 when everything that I have seen advertised says UP TO 40 hours of continuous use. On the bucket itself, under specs it does say up to 40 hours depending on use, settings, configurations and many other factors. I would think that the up to 40 hours would be for the mechanical flashers as they pull power then the digital series do. I am excited to run my shuttle this year on my 7 and personally I would be happy at 29 hours along with all the other awesome features they incorporated into the shuttle. Tight lines!
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: prospector on Oct 20, 2017, 12:22 AM
working on charging to 100% first. yep, it's a 9. why would you want the transducer in water?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
test one:
started at 1am on 10/15/17
50% back light.
demo mode.
first charge on the battery.

update 2:
12 hours in and the battery indicator says 57% remaining.

update 3:
it shut down and had 15% battery left at 9pm.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
i know your not supposed to run this type of battery down to zero voltage, so some thing told it to quit before then. it should be a bms circuit preventing damage from over discharge.

so it had a 20 hour continuous run time with the 50% back light and in demo mode.
(end of test one)

i don't run mine that bright and only use it on 10% near sunset and it stays at 10% for the rest of the time on ice.
being marcum said up to 40 hours, it must mean with the digital screens set to a minimum and the lx6 would be a smaller screen to draw less energy. their claim maybe for their mechanical flashers and not their digital sonars. flashers go a long time on a single charge with sla batteries.

i'll probably run another test with it on 10% back light next. back lights are what kill our phones and tablets batteries the most.
the battery is on the charger again.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
test 2:
started @ 10am on10/16/17.
not in demo mode.
ice mode.
12 sensitivity.
20 degree cone angle.
0 target separation.
0 ir.
10% back light.

update on test 2:
12 hours in.
73% battery remaining.

update 2 on test 2:
24 hours in.
44% battery remaining.
so it's used 29% to run 12 hours non stop usage on this phase.

final update:
29 hours in and the unit shut off.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
so it gained another 9 hours turning the back light down to 10% from 50%. yet another test might prove that turning the back light up to 100% would loose 9 hours from the 20 hour 50% back light test.
it's not the claimed 40 hours marcum said it can get, so i suspect that claim to be for their older tech, that uses less energy like their mechanical flashers.
29 hours is way more than I expected. Not bad at all!
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: river_scum on Oct 20, 2017, 06:54 AM
I was thinking of getting this for my Vexilar FL28.  Will it fit?

this mite be what you want? 100 for 10ah litium battery
https://www.electric-bike-kit.com/12v-lithium-lifepo4-replacement.aspx?gclid=eaiaiqobchmi8ose85d_1givbmsgch3xywyneayyaiabegjdcfd_bwe
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: missoulafish on Oct 20, 2017, 10:25 AM
check this LINK (https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=347556.0) if you want that battery and want to save 30$$ on this battery..
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: rschoenh1 on Dec 18, 2017, 01:07 PM
working on charging to 100% first. yep, it's a 9. why would you want the transducer in water?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
test one:
started at 1am on 10/15/17
50% back light.
demo mode.
first charge on the battery.

update 2:
12 hours in and the battery indicator says 57% remaining.

update 3:
it shut down and had 15% battery left at 9pm.
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i know your not supposed to run this type of battery down to zero voltage, so some thing told it to quit before then. it should be a bms circuit preventing damage from over discharge.

so it had a 20 hour continuous run time with the 50% back light and in demo mode.
(end of test one)

i don't run mine that bright and only use it on 10% near sunset and it stays at 10% for the rest of the time on ice.
being marcum said up to 40 hours, it must mean with the digital screens set to a minimum and the lx6 would be a smaller screen to draw less energy. their claim maybe for their mechanical flashers and not their digital sonars. flashers go a long time on a single charge with sla batteries.

i'll probably run another test with it on 10% back light next. back lights are what kill our phones and tablets batteries the most.
the battery is on the charger again.
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test 2:
started @ 10am on10/16/17.
not in demo mode.
ice mode.
12 sensitivity.
20 degree cone angle.
0 target separation.
0 ir.
10% back light.

update on test 2:
12 hours in.
73% battery remaining.

update 2 on test 2:
24 hours in.
44% battery remaining.
so it's used 29% to run 12 hours non stop usage on this phase.

final update:
29 hours in and the unit shut off.
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so it gained another 9 hours turning the back light down to 10% from 50%. yet another test might prove that turning the back light up to 100% would loose 9 hours from the 20 hour 50% back light test.
it's not the claimed 40 hours marcum said it can get up to, so i suspect that claim to be for their older tech, that uses less energy like their mechanical flashers.

I did a test on my LX6 to see what results I'd get for run time similar to what 3300 did.   I charged it to 100%, light went to green on the charger, and used the same settings I used last March at the end of the season.

Background was set at 50%.

At 24 hours, I was down to 5%, when it got to 3% it started flashing, so I shut it down.   I restarted the Shuttle and it showed 5% charge left .  So total was a little over 24 hours, not too bad.

At 5% charge, it took about 7 hours to get it back to a full charge.  I periodically checked it, and after about 5 hours, it had 83% charge, another 2 hours to complete it. 

The feel of the Shuttle compared to the old setup felt very light, easier to carry, with no fear of the dropping the transducer.  Don't know how secure additional poles will be in the back, but will play with different "carrying modes" before my first trip out.   Should be fun to use for this ice fishing season.   

I paid $212.49 at FishUSA after using a 15% coupon, with no tax charged.  Still expensive, but a little less painful   They were very easy to deal with and did it over the phone with customer support.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Dec 18, 2017, 02:11 PM
thanks for joining us!

so based off of your test, the 10% back ground light test setting should be at least another 4 hours compared to the lx7/9 display because of it's smaller size, since you got 4 hours more at 50% back light. should be more than that, but it's safe to assume at least that much more run time.

thanks for taking the time and sharing with us. lots of people read these posts, even if not very many respond.
these topics do show up in search engines and are often the only resource for many.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: tbern on Dec 18, 2017, 02:13 PM
Also would like to thank you guys for sharing your findings, interesting to look over the numbers.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: prospector on Dec 18, 2017, 04:52 PM
Traded an Otter tent for an RT9 and now need to figure out how to increase the run time on it. From what I hear, they suck the juice something fierce!
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: Iceicemike on Dec 18, 2017, 05:42 PM
Good info!
Had my lx7 since they came out
What does your voltage say on screen after full charge?
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Dec 18, 2017, 07:25 PM
Traded an Otter tent for an RT9 and now need to figure out how to increase the run time on it. From what I hear, they suck the juice something fierce!
i haven't had my hands on one yet, but maybe it has a way to shut off the gps modual. it drains any phone/tablet fast and some chargers can't keep up with the fast draw rate with it on.

Good info!
Had my lx7 since they came out
What does your voltage say on screen after full charge?
12.7 volts. has rested for over 2 weeks.

Also would like to thank you guys for sharing your findings, interesting to look over the numbers.
your welcome. i'm glad we all get some thing from it.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: joemx1825 on Jan 02, 2018, 09:46 AM
Thanks for the battery test info!

Can you tell us what the weight savings are going from the stock LX-9 in the red marcum case vs the LX-9 & lithium shuttle? (both without the camera bag attached)

I tested the LX-9 weight savings with the older "Ice Force" lithium battery rapala sold and the weight went from the stock 11.4 lbs to 8.6 lbs 

So there was a 2.8 lb weight savings

(For reference, The LX-9 camera bag with camera adds 2.2 lbs)
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: joemx1825 on Jan 02, 2018, 10:48 AM
Thanks to 3300 for the info,

for those interested in the weight savings (not 100% accurate as a bathroom scale was used):

LX-9 with stock battery in red marcum case = 11.4 lbs

LX-9 on Marcum Lithium Shuttle = 8 lbs

Camera Bag with camera = 3 lbs...
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: J_Edwards on Jan 02, 2018, 12:14 PM
Funny to see people missing the soft case, I always hated that thing.  Everything is much more secure in the bucket.  But I travel by snow machine with the bucket in a freight sled.

This thing didn't like fishing at -20, but I don't either and it was to be expected.  I had the display at 50% and it dropped from 80% to 67% in one hour and it didn't recover when I went back inside where I belonged.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: Michigan Mafia on Jan 02, 2018, 01:27 PM
Have you guys been putting the shuttle directly on the ice? I've only been out twice with it and I've been using the bucket as a stand. It works great in the shanty but not a good method for hole hopping.

I just don't feel comfortable setting it down in the slushy wet elements.

Might have to do to brainstorming on a base or legs to mount on the bottom to raise it up a little.

 
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: joemx1825 on Jan 02, 2018, 02:22 PM
Depends on how much space is available under the battery/base plate cover.  If you can get a screwtop to fit when the cover is screwed down, then you could easily install some rubber stopper feet.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: bigredonice on Jan 02, 2018, 02:28 PM
All I know is that i just went lithium on friday, and will probably not ever go back to SLA batteries.   the lithium is so much lighter, holds its charge for so much longer, and is less effected by the cold (plus their service life is rated 3x longer than an SLA).
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: joemx1825 on Jan 02, 2018, 03:16 PM
They are great, but imo we really have no long term data on how they hold up to justify the huge price increase for them...I had an Ice Force lithium battery that literally went bad after 1 use... They also require a more costly charger...

If these Marcum Lithium shuttles hold up for 3+ years, then I'm all in with Lithium...but i'll hold my breadth until then...
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: bigredonice on Jan 04, 2018, 11:05 AM
They are great, but imo we really have no long term data on how they hold up to justify the huge price increase for them...I had an Ice Force lithium battery that literally went bad after 1 use... They also require a more costly charger...

If these Marcum Lithium shuttles hold up for 3+ years, then I'm all in with Lithium...but i'll hold my breadth until then...

you see the dakota lithium deal we had here on ice shanty?   new battery+charger shipped for $95 total.   Been using mine quite a bit, and it is awesome, super light, holds charge much longer than an SLA.
Title: Re: Marcum Lithium Shuttle released
Post by: 3300 on Jan 04, 2018, 11:32 PM
the battery is 12 amp and is 130$. the bulk buy is not 12 amp.
the charger is 40$
you can buy the combo with this shuttle for about 150$ more. that saves 100$ when buying separately.
if you want the shuttle by it's self the added cost is another 80$.
sign up for 10% off or use welcome10 to get the 10% off.
now your cost is 225$ and 170$ of that is the battery and charger.
so end cost is 55$ for the shuttle only.

Have you guys been putting the shuttle directly on the ice? I've only been out twice with it and I've been using the bucket as a stand. It works great in the shanty but not a good method for hole hopping.

I just don't feel comfortable setting it down in the slushy wet elements.

Might have to do to brainstorming on a base or legs to mount on the bottom to raise it up a little.
i am putting it directly on the ice with snow and slush and water. i want to know if it will be okay while it is under warranty. it was snowing hard on it last night no problem.
here is more on the same question:
https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=352644.new#new

some thing i just thought of. take a 5 gal bucket and cut off the bottom 1 or 2 inches and use a few longer screws and screw the cut off bucket to the bottom of the shuttle using the shuttles screw holes.  it can be right side up or upside down.. if you go right side up, it would still fit into a bucket for transport if you wanted all of that.

i really don't think you need to worry about it. i might take mine apart to check for water. maybe set it in a tub with water and then check it.