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Offline Slabseek3r

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What's a good amount of torque?
« on: Dec 25, 2018, 12:01 PM »
Received a milwaukee m18 brushless, and am thinking about hooking it up to my auger. Would 500 inch-pounds be too little to turn an eskimo quantum 8in?
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #1 on: Dec 25, 2018, 12:05 PM »
That’s not going to cut it. You need at least 725in/lb for a 8”. But that should do a 6” ok.

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #2 on: Dec 25, 2018, 12:05 PM »
Minimum torque required for 8" auger is 725 in pounds
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #3 on: Dec 25, 2018, 12:32 PM »
i figure 100 inch pounds per inch of auger with sharp blades.

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #4 on: Dec 25, 2018, 01:04 PM »
Does anyone have experience with the geared ice kicker? Would that possibly work?
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #5 on: Dec 25, 2018, 07:06 PM »
i have zero experience with the ice kicker 2. it is chain drive and geared 2:1. looks heavy to me. would be a great option for under powered drills to turn augers it couldn't turn otherwise, but slowly.

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #6 on: Dec 26, 2018, 05:30 AM »
I have been wanting to pull the trigger on a brushless hammer drill. NONE OF THEM specify the torque rating on the box or the description of the tool on the ebay BIN auction I have looked at. Every time I copy and paste a number that a guy recommends here I will find that drill but there is always an "A" or "B" on the part number after the one that comes up in my search!! I have pretty much given up because I am SURE whatever comes to my door will not have enough torque
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #7 on: Dec 26, 2018, 06:06 AM »
Ebay?!? Try looking online @ Home Depot. Their Ridgid Octane is sweet!

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #8 on: Dec 26, 2018, 06:14 AM »
i figure 100 inch pounds per inch of auger with sharp blades.

Sounds about right. I use a 600 in.lb. on my 4" laser and based on the performance, I see no reason it will have any problem turning my 6" as well. Gonna give it a shot...as soon as we get our ice back. ::)
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #9 on: Dec 26, 2018, 06:41 AM »
I have been wanting to pull the trigger on a brushless hammer drill. NONE OF THEM specify the torque rating on the box or the description of the tool on the ebay BIN auction I have looked at. Every time I copy and paste a number that a guy recommends here I will find that drill but there is always an "A" or "B" on the part number after the one that comes up in my search!! I have pretty much given up because I am SURE whatever comes to my door will not have enough torque
Milwaukee has the torque rating on their box for the brushless drills. A 2704- 20 Milwaukee will be a good one for you and if that can't be found the 2804-20 will work. These are the bare tool numbers that are signified by the -20 at the end. The 2704 and 2804 can be purchased in multiple kits. You will also need XC-4.0 batteries at a minimum, XC-5.0 will be better.

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #10 on: Dec 26, 2018, 07:41 AM »
Milwaukee has the torque rating on their box for the brushless drills. A 2704- 20 Milwaukee will be a good one for you and if that can't be found the 2804-20 will work. These are the bare tool numbers that are signified by the -20 at the end. The 2704 and 2804 can be purchased in multiple kits. You will also need XC-4.0 batteries at a minimum, XC-5.0 will be better.

Would this do it Shack Man?   https://www.ebay.com/itm/Milwaukee-2804-22-FUEL-18V-1-2in-Hammer-Drill-Driver-Tool-Only-Replaces-2704-22/223118973614?epid=13020357204&hash=item33f2ed5aae:g:w7UAAOSw07lbehTG:rk:23:pf:0
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #11 on: Dec 26, 2018, 07:54 AM »
That drill will be fine, but you’ll still need to get a battery.  it says tool only even though it’s listed as a kit. For that price your better off ordering from Home Depot with their guaranteed.

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #12 on: Dec 26, 2018, 08:16 AM »
That drill will be fine, but you’ll still need to get a battery.  it says tool only even though it’s listed as a kit. For that price your better off ordering from Home Depot with their guaranteed.
.  Farther down in the description it says it includes 2 5ah batteries, charger, side handle, belt clip,  one bit holder and the case.

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #13 on: Dec 26, 2018, 08:33 AM »
Yes, the description says the battery is included. The guy needs to fix the title
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #14 on: Dec 26, 2018, 08:37 AM »
Yes, the description says the battery is included. The guy needs to fix the title
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #16 on: Dec 26, 2018, 08:54 AM »
Would this do it Shack Man?   https://www.ebay.com/itm/Milwaukee-2804-22-FUEL-18V-1-2in-Hammer-Drill-Driver-Tool-Only-Replaces-2704-22/223118973614?epid=13020357204&hash=item33f2ed5aae:g:w7UAAOSw07lbehTG:rk:23:pf:0

Yes, that one will work well. I would also recommend a Clam plate as well. The Rigid drills don't seem like they are very compatible with the plate, we will see as the season goes on but I think this is probably only the beginning of troubles for those drills. What size/kind of a auger are you going to use???

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #17 on: Dec 26, 2018, 09:29 AM »
6" NILS - I can rip through a foot of ice with it by hand with no problem - But why not let a drill do the work
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #18 on: Dec 26, 2018, 01:26 PM »
Does anyone have experience with the geared ice kicker? Would that possibly work?

A friend of mine got one, it works well and is very solidly built, definitely heavy though.

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #19 on: Dec 29, 2018, 09:24 PM »
I just ordered the Dewalt 991 drill on amazon. Drill without hammer action as I don't think you'll gain anything with a hammer drill. The dewalt has 850 in/lbs of torque. Comes with 2 5ah batteries and charger for $245.00 can't wait to try it.

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #20 on: Dec 29, 2018, 09:37 PM »
I didn't think that DeWalt used torque rating. They seem to use anoother measure that they claim is more accurate?
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #21 on: Dec 29, 2018, 10:09 PM »
I didn't think that DeWalt used torque rating. They seem to use anoother measure that they claim is more accurate?

They don't, but reviewers have tested it. Some google searches show the 991 as 885 in/lb torque.
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #22 on: Dec 29, 2018, 10:14 PM »
For what its worth, I don't think you need 900-1300 in/lb for a typical 6" auger, but it is HIGHLY recommended for the 8". Heck I used a normal cheapo 320 in/lb drill with a 5" and 6" for 2 years and never had any issues. I think the 750+ range is where you want to be though for 6", and 850/900+ for 8"... anything for a 4-5" auger. 6"+ a clam plate really helps, especially with lazer augers that like to grab at the bottom of the hole. $60 is a lot cheaper than going to the ER with a sprained/broken wrist because your hands were cold and your reaction time too slow.
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #23 on: Dec 29, 2018, 11:24 PM »
I just ordered the Dewalt 991 drill on amazon. Drill without hammer action as I don't think you'll gain anything with a hammer drill. The dewalt has 850 in/lbs of torque. Comes with 2 5ah batteries and charger for $245.00 can't wait to try it.
go to dewalt europe to get the specs on the drill in newton meters and then use a converter site to covert that to inch pounds. their 996 is 840 inch pound max torque.
looks like approximately their posted output times 1.02 equals inch pounds.

you can get a 1300 inch pound ridgid drill for 170$ with one 9 amp battery and charger with lifetime warranty on all of it at home depot. then you have a spare 80$ for what ever.
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #24 on: Dec 30, 2018, 02:57 AM »
go to dewalt europe to get the specs on the drill in newton meters and then use a converter site to covert that to inch pounds. their 996 is 840 inch pound max torque.
looks like approximately their posted output times 1.02 equals inch pounds.

you can get a 1300 inch pound ridgid drill for 170$ with one 9 amp battery and charger with lifetime warranty on all of it at home depot. then you have a spare 80$ for what ever.
https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=362605.0

Why are people looking at dropping $250 on a drill with battery that is outdated when they can just pick up the Octane with a 9 ah battery for $179....it's a no brainer. Lifetime warranty and bluetooth capable battery. Seems just as good if not better than the Fuels judging from every video I've seen.

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #25 on: Dec 30, 2018, 08:25 AM »
go to dewalt europe to get the specs on the drill in newton meters and then use a converter site to covert that to inch pounds. their 996 is 840 inch pound max torque.
looks like approximately their posted output times 1.02 equals inch pounds.

you can get a 1300 inch pound ridgid drill for 170$ with one 9 amp battery and charger with lifetime warranty on all of it at home depot. then you have a spare 80$ for what ever.
https://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing/index.php?topic=362605.0

Thx for that. I will check out my 18 V Ni-cad as a possible backup to my Ridgid.
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #26 on: Dec 30, 2018, 09:36 AM »
Yes, that one will work well. I would also recommend a Clam plate as well. The Rigid drills don't seem like they are very compatible with the plate, we will see as the season goes on but I think this is probably only the beginning of troubles for those drills. What size/kind of a auger are you going to use???

Obvious Milwaukee fanboy is obvious. There is nothing wrong with the Ridgid Drills. The Clam extensions on the other hand...mine is ridiculously out of true, wish I'd noticed earlier in the year when they were easy to find.

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #27 on: Dec 30, 2018, 11:57 AM »
Obvious Milwaukee fanboy is obvious. There is nothing wrong with the Ridgid Drills. The Clam extensions on the other hand...mine is ridiculously out of true, wish I'd noticed earlier in the year when they were easy to find.
the problem is they (clam corp) don't seem to care about specs and tolerances and so the extension is way too big inside diameter to be practical and throws any thing attached into huge wobble. if you have a clam plate with the bent shaft like mine is, then this will make it all the worse because there is no way for the extension to be able to float. kovac icemaster 2 has this figured out because theirs floats already.

take one wrap at a time, up to tree wraps (depends on brand/thickness) with out overlapping the layer of the wrap and shim it out with cellophane tape like scotch tape as a work around/hack. i went one layer at a time.

another work around/hack would be to drill out the threaded side of where the wing bolt threads into and use a snap pin. if using a plate this would make it much easier to reduce the foot print of that system. or make your own new holes so you have both options. this will allow the extension to float on the what ever adapter your using so it can self center under load.

looks like hardened steel, but probably just zinc coated for rusted treatment.

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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #28 on: Dec 30, 2018, 12:15 PM »
the problem is they (clam corp) don't seem to care about specs and tolerances and so the extension is way too big inside diameter to be practical and throws any thing attached into huge wobble. if you have a clam plate with the bent shaft like mine is, then this will make it all the worse because there is no way for the extension to be able to float. kovac icemaster 2 has this figured out because their floats already.

take one wrap at a time, up to tree wraps (depends on brand/thickness) with out overlapping the layer of the wrap and shim it out with cellophane tape like scotch tape as a work around/hack. i went one layer at a time.

another work around/hack would be to drill out the threaded side of the where the wing bolt threads into and use a snap pin. if using a plate this would make it much easier to reduce the foot print of that system. or make your own new holes so you have both options. this will allow the extension to float on the what ever adapter your using so it can self center under load.

looks like hardened steel, but probably just zinc coated for rusted treatment.
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I just noticed that the extension says FOR CLAM AUGERS ONLY
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Re: What's a good amount of torque?
« Reply #29 on: Dec 30, 2018, 12:17 PM »
the clam plate and clam extension have about a 2 inch wobble. no auger need to see it.

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