we went out today in a bay with 15 inches of ice and the shore line is great right now. not going to venture in any channels for sure. had 5 flags and only caught one perch on 11 tip ups but one flag took my smelt and bent the hook so bad i had to replace it. kind of thinking it was a fin because it didnt take alot of line. your right no time for atv,s on the ice.