probably doesnt help.... but i stopped at long pond today just to drill a hole to check ice. It was 3-4 inches of white soft ice, then about 11-14 inches of nice clear ice. Now last week it was one inch white ice and the rest clear and their was a pond in the middle of the ice and not today, cant even tell it was there. Looks dang good to me and i should be going to long pond tomorrow if the wife lets me.