we have lost fish realizing it was just holding the bait. last year , I fished with a young man, flag tripped, no spin. and when we got within 5 ft. he stomped pretty hard on the ice , and spin city, we both laughed, and he told me his grandpa told him about it. cool to learn something from a young man, who in turn learned it from and old man. By the way , it happened twice that day, Now I always do that