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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #20 on: Jan 02, 2006, 06:53 PM »
Fishaholic I gonna try that on my buddies he'll probably get pissed if I can start it faster than he can.

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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #21 on: Jan 02, 2006, 07:07 PM »
 If anyone did not mentioned spark plug gap, try that too. Even though you got it from the package does not mean it is gapped correctly. This is vital with all  engines.

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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #22 on: Jan 02, 2006, 07:25 PM »
before you kill your engine for the day try running the engine completely out of fuel.just shut the fuel off and run untill she dies.if you do not have a fuel shut off between the tank and the carb then buy  a shut off and put it in the line.this will stop the carb from "gumming up".my next suggestion would be to buy a husqvarna.they are twice the engine and craftmanship.

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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #23 on: Jan 03, 2006, 08:36 AM »
I'm sorry to bother you but I'm new to this forum.
I can't seem to find the " Submit New Post " or Post a new thread " button anywhere.
How do I go about starting a new topic post ?

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Greg-Go to the main page i.e. IceShanty Forums/IceShanty Main/General Chit Chat and look at the top right corner of the main forum area.  You will see it there.  It will give you two options "Mark all as read/Start New Topic".
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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #24 on: Jan 03, 2006, 09:20 AM »
I had a Jiffy three hp and  now I have a two hp. I would prime it, turn on the choke, and give it about half a pull before I turned the switch on. It would start on the first pull with the switch on. I also leave fresh gas in the carburetor with a stabilizer in it for the summer (was told by a mechanic that this will keep seals and diaphragms from drying out). I had the three hp for 12 years with no problems. If your plug is wet when you take it out when it doesn't start, you may have to have it leaned out some. Two cycles can be temperamental until you get used to your engines own little quirks. Just my.02.
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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #25 on: Jan 03, 2006, 10:03 AM »
Two cycle engines ARE tempermental little bastages.  I worked on them for years.   

That's why I use a hand auger.  :)    No gas, no stink, no noise, no hauling heavy crap around, no frustration of an engine that won't start.   Consider using one unless you're a.) a hardcore fisherman who drills a LOT (and I mean a LOT) of holes in very very deep ice, and/or b.) have a knack with two stroke engines and their quirks.

I ended up giving my power auger to my father, who doesn't use it either.

Consider using a 28V Milwaukee drill on an auger.   With the lithium ion batteries they now have, you ought to be able to reliably and without stink, gas, noise, frustration or harm to the environment or disturbing other fisherman, drill your little heart out.

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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #26 on: Jan 03, 2006, 10:03 AM »
make sure the gas cap vent is open ... i bought a new one because the original was causing the same problem rite out of the box . it would appear to be open but wouldn't vent

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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #27 on: Jan 03, 2006, 03:59 PM »
Two cycle engines ARE tempermental little bastages.  I worked on them for years.   

Boob, don't mean to sound like an ass here but if you used to work on them for years you should be good with them, no?  I find if you spend the time to get to know the little quirks your particular unit has then it's easy to start them everytime.  My buddy has the same auger w/ same engine and his starts first pull with full choke, no throttle, and sits and idles til he gives 'er gas.  Mine on the other hand wants half choke and two or three pulls while giving it a little throttle.  Identical units bought at the same time. 

Just my .02,
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PS, if you like drilling by hand I'll take you out for a run and gun session for crappies up here when we have 40" of ice in February.  And leave the cordless Milwaukee at home, I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face watching you use that thing!

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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #28 on: Jan 03, 2006, 05:29 PM »
Boob, don't mean to sound like an ass here but if you used to work on them for years you should be good with them, no?  I find if you spend the time to get to know the little quirks your particular unit has then it's easy to start them everytime.  My buddy has the same auger w/ same engine and his starts first pull with full choke, no throttle, and sits and idles til he gives 'er gas.  Mine on the other hand wants half choke and two or three pulls while giving it a little throttle.  Identical units bought at the same time. 

Just my .02,
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PS, if you like drilling by hand I'll take you out for a run and gun session for crappies up here when we have 40" of ice in February.  And leave the cordless Milwaukee at home, I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face watching you use that thing!

I said "unless you're a.) a hardcore fisherman who drills a LOT (and I mean a LOT) of holes in very very deep ice".   40" of ice is a lot of ice, and run and gun season with Crappies in that much ice is a lot of hole drilling.

I restored old snowmobiles and fixed chain saw engines and outboards for a good many years.  Air cooled 2 strokes are pains in the butt in the winter.   Heck, any engine can be a pain in the butt in the winter, no matter how well tuned.  There's a lot of people out there that don't know much about engines, and don't NEED to, they just want to drill holes and fish, and for those people, who fish in a foot of ice or less and typically drill < 20 holes each time they go fishing, a cordless is ideal. 

I've sat and listened to about a third of the people outside my favorite ice fishing spot pull their ass off, trying to start their gas augers in the time that I can hand-drill 2 or 3 holes.    Then, half of those have blades so dull that it sounds like they're going for the core of molten magma at the center of the earth, not 9 inches of ice.   Admittedly, that's a different matter, but I get a little sick of these guys showing up with a bazooka to kill a squirrel.

I also used to work for Milwaukee Electric Tool, leaving just after they released the new V28 line of tools that use a lithium ion battery.   I'll put one of those 1/2" drills with a couple charged batteries up to a day fishing the run and gun with you in 40" of ice...I think they'd surprise you even if they didn't replace your gas auger completely.

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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #29 on: Jan 03, 2006, 06:38 PM »
Boob, what do you think blacklabsrule's problem might be with his Jiffy? I know they had problems with EPA emission standards for a while, but I thought they got that corrected. My 3 hp was about a 1991 or 1992 model and it seems like they started having problems about 3 or 4 years ago. I'm a long way from being a mechanic.
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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #30 on: Jan 03, 2006, 07:58 PM »
Well, that's hard to say without looking at the unit in question, but the old rule applies..you need 3 things to fire a two stroke:  Spark, compression and fuel mixture. 

Spark should be easy to confirm...check for the correct mfg recommended spark plug.  Just cuz it fits the hole and looks right doesn't mean it's the correct heat range.   Once you have the right plug, lay the plug against the head for a good ground and crank it over with the plug out a few times, look for a consistent, bright blue spark.  If it's yellow and/or intermittent, that's a weak spark....caused by bad plug, dirty points or some other electrical issue.  If there's no spark, you really have a problem, of course.

If there's spark, what does the plug look like?  If it's wet, black and sooty, it may be running rich.  If it's whitish grey, it may be running lean.   It should be, on a two stroke, about the color of charcoal or a little lighter, and not jet-black-wet.

It might be flooding out.   In which case, pull the plug, pull the motor over a few times to clear the combustion chamber, dry off the plug and put it back in, and don't choke it.    Another trick on flooded two strokes is to hold throttle wide open, no choke, and pull until it sputters to life.

The carb could be set way out of whack.   Simple as two strokes are, once they start, they'll probably run, though maybe not well.  Hard starting usually...*usually* is a carburetion issue...too much gas in the air/fuel mixture or not enough.

Maybe you just want to 'cheat' a little and start right out by pulling the plug and 'priming' it with a blast of WD-40 (assuming they havent' changed the formulation and it's still flammable, it works as a not-so-volatile starting fluid)

Like I've said, they're tempermental beasts, each with it's own personality.  A person almost has to develop a relationship with each two stroke engine and learn it's tricks and quirks. 

The easiest thing to do is to leave it home and crank by hand, or set yourself up with a cordless drill rig.   Of course, again, that's if you're not chasing crappies all over by drilling 50 holes thru 3 feet of ice, but rather punching maybe a dozen 6 inch holes in a foot or less of ice, more if you have a fancy drill.   

I go fishing because it's relaxing.  Fighting with stubborn, heavy, tempermental engines doesn't fit the bill for relaxing in my book.   

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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #31 on: Jan 04, 2006, 06:11 AM »
i have 12 year old jiffy 3 hp. was hard to start from the git go. the carbaretor on these motors are not the best. when cold use full choke, prime two times,open throttle 3/4 . should start . when warm, no choke do not prime still use 3/4 throttle. carb may need adjustment. do a google search for tecumseh and see what others say about it. also always mix oil 24 to 1. i have never taken mine apart but was told many years ago that 50 to 1 engines have needle bearings in the conecting rod and  older engines and some newer ones (24 to 1) do not. when in doubt follow manufacturers instructions. jiffys are a well built unit and will last a long time.

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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #32 on: Jan 04, 2006, 12:45 PM »
A post of mine after I ran into similar problems...  Enjoy.



 Re: Carb Adjustment on Jiffy Auger
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1.  Pull the yellow plastic caps out of the carb adjusters.

2.  Lightly seat both of the carb adjustment screws.

3.  The left screw, the "low" idle adjustment should be turrned out 1 1/8 turns.

4.  The right screw, the "high" idle adjustment should be turned out between 5/8 and 3/4 turns.

Adjust from there....

I like to leave the cap on the auger and find myself a big pile of snow.  That way I can run the thing, at idle and wide open and everywhere in between without digging a hole or harming the blade etc...
I also prefer doing this with two people, one person to hold the auger and one person to set the fine tuning on the carb. 

So, have one person start up the auger.  The idle should be fairly strong. If it's not, open up the left screw a bit...  If you turn it too much the engine will stall.  Then have the other person gun the throttle.  If the engine chokes, turn out the right screw a "c" hair and try again.  You want to be able to go from idle to full on with no hesitation.

If worse comes to worse, I live in the Worcester area...  lol.



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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #33 on: Jan 04, 2006, 06:51 PM »
Okay here is my 2 cents worth.
If it is a Yellow Jiffy it most likely hasn't had the recall. They need to put a new carb on. Take it to a dealer and this will be done free of charge. If it has had the carb replaced or is a WHITE Jiffy then take it to a shop. REMEMBER to tell the guy you will be starting it outside and the carb needs to be adjusted outside the shop. A Friend of mine had his back 4 times before the mechanic set the carb OUTSIDE in the cold weather. Runs like a champ for 2 years now. A good oil gas mixed properly with a little Stabil in it and you won't have any problems.

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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #34 on: Jan 04, 2006, 07:29 PM »
Now we're getting somewhere!!!
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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #35 on: Jan 04, 2006, 07:33 PM »
A post of mine after I ran into similar problems...  Enjoy.



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1.  Pull the yellow plastic caps out of the carb adjusters.

2.  Lightly seat both of the carb adjustment screws.

3.  The left screw, the "low" idle adjustment should be turrned out 1 1/8 turns.

4.  The right screw, the "high" idle adjustment should be turned out between 5/8 and 3/4 turns.

Adjust from there....

I like to leave the cap on the auger and find myself a big pile of snow.  That way I can run the thing, at idle and wide open and everywhere in between without digging a hole or harming the blade etc...
I also prefer doing this with two people, one person to hold the auger and one person to set the fine tuning on the carb. 

So, have one person start up the auger.  The idle should be fairly strong. If it's not, open up the left screw a bit...  If you turn it too much the engine will stall.  Then have the other person gun the throttle.  If the engine chokes, turn out the right screw a "c" hair and try again.  You want to be able to go from idle to full on with no hesitation.

If worse comes to worse, I live in the Worcester area...  lol.



excellent post, sounds like I may need to fine tune my jiffy too. Thanks so much for the jiffy expert way to adjust the carb.  :thumbsup: Awesome stuff.

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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #36 on: Jan 04, 2006, 10:35 PM »
Okay here is my 2 cents worth.
If it is a Yellow Jiffy it most likely hasn't had the recall. They need to put a new carb on. Take it to a dealer and this will be done free of charge. If it has had the carb replaced or is a WHITE Jiffy then take it to a shop. REMEMBER to tell the guy you will be starting it outside and the carb needs to be adjusted outside the shop. A Friend of mine had his back 4 times before the mechanic set the carb OUTSIDE in the cold weather. Runs like a champ for 2 years now. A good oil gas mixed properly with a little Stabil in it and you won't have any problems.

Was there a recall on 2hp Jiffy Legend(yellow)? And if so what years?

Thanks
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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #37 on: Jan 05, 2006, 11:39 AM »
Most augers that come into my shop for repairs have basically the same problem...Fuel related:: Not enough ,none, old fuel, wrong fuel (no oil or too much oil in fuel).
Many fishermen have "what works for me" and others are just lost when it comes to engines :unsure:
 Fresh fuel is a good thing. Unleaded with no alcohol is a good thing. A good grade/brand of oil is a good thing. A new spark plug ( non-champion) is good as well.
These engines start better at WOT (wide open throttle) with the choke fully closed. They are very "cold blooded" and will not run right until they reach operating temperature. Some will get to this temp. sooner than others. Carb. adjustments will be the issue here unless there is a physical problem with the carb. and needs a kit or replacement.
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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #38 on: Jan 05, 2006, 03:12 PM »
i have never had a starting prob with my jiffy until i bent the metal gas cap and bought the plastic replacement now i have to loosen the cap because the breather doesnt aloww enough air in to run properly
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Re: Jiffy Ice Augers starting problems
« Reply #39 on: Jan 05, 2006, 03:15 PM »
i have never had a starting prob with my jiffy until i bent the metal gas cap and bought the plastic replacement now i have to loosen the cap because the breather doesnt aloww enough air in to run properly
That's a new one on me. The "new" plastic cap has a vent you open..right???

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