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trot line under the ice?
« on: Dec 19, 2013, 12:38 PM »
is there anything in the regulations about trot lines under the ice? what a way to score some fillets! wonder how this could be done? hum anyone have any suggestions on how you could do it? 
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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #1 on: Dec 19, 2013, 12:47 PM »
Don't know if I t would be legal, but if it were you would need some thing to plain the line away from the hole.   


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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #2 on: Dec 19, 2013, 01:21 PM »
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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #3 on: Dec 19, 2013, 01:25 PM »
If there is a way it would be sooo kewl. Lots of people would be baiting 25-50 hooks. Have to have a careful eye on the limits. Would be a killer walleye getter. LOL

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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #4 on: Dec 19, 2013, 01:48 PM »
Regulations Guide, Page 14

"Ice Fishing. When ice fishing, no more than three lines may be used at any one time. Each line may contain no more than two hooks or two artificial baits"

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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #5 on: Dec 19, 2013, 02:06 PM »
is there anything in the regulations about trot lines under the ice? what a way to score some fillets! wonder how this could be done? hum anyone have any suggestions on how you could do it?

Setting a trot line, long line, etc. would be really simple actually... but illegal in most if not all areas unless you're a commercial outfit and even then...

Anyways you would use the same contraption they use for setting a net under the ice, which is called a jigger.  You can google it and there should be videos.  Here's a wiki on it --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_jigger

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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #6 on: Dec 20, 2013, 10:51 AM »
I thought that the regs have changed to 3 hooks per line , am i wrong ?
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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #7 on: Dec 20, 2013, 11:04 AM »


1.  Trot lines seem wasteful in my opinion.  I snag them on my lures and end up cutting them off and throwing them in my boat to pitch in the trash, people rarely seem leave their name and address on them.

2.  People would set them and then the ice would be unsafe and they would leave them and they would end up in the lake. 

3.  I cut like 20 of them down on the Iroquios River a few years ago.  Someone set them all over the place and left them. 

4.  Loose string is not good for wild life.

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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #8 on: Dec 20, 2013, 11:24 AM »
i agree with the bishop, what a walleye getter! lol but also pike, catfish and bass. would be interesting to see how it worked. you could put a large fish on the end hook and use him to stretch out the line. then yank him off when it got to the end. you would need a blow up hole saver too, so you didnt have to chop out the line.

 
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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #9 on: Dec 20, 2013, 11:34 AM »
I had been thinking this myself but was afraid to post it.  Setting the line I don't think would be too difficult if two or more people were going to do this. Drill a hole then drill another hole some distance away. Use a long pole to pull a guideline from one hole to the next. Continue until you are at the end of your main line. As you attach bait, pull the set line and continue.

Of course you would have to follow any regulations from your state. In Indiana you would have to check the line every 24 hours. Now, if you are only allowed so many poles while ice fishing then that's another story.


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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #10 on: Dec 20, 2013, 12:01 PM »
I thought that the regs have changed to 3 hooks per line , am i wrong ?

http://www.eregulations.com/indiana/fishing/fishing-information/

In the link above it says.

Hooks for Hand or Pole Fishing
You may not fish with more than three poles or hand lines at any one time. Each line may have no more than two single or multi-barbed hooks, two artificial baits or two harnesses for live bait
Ice Fishing
When ice fishing, no more than three lines may be used at any one time. Each line may contain no more than two hooks (single, double or treble) or two artificial baits. Holes cut for ice fishing cannot be more than 12 inches in diameter. Tip-ups must be identified with the name and address of the user, and must be in constant visual contact of the person using them.





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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #11 on: Dec 20, 2013, 12:33 PM »
Here is another one for the IDNR t answer: Can you use "Set Lines" during the winter while ice is on a lake?

I do believe there is precedent: During the softwater season, you can use three poles, a trot line and a number of limb lines all at the same time. During the ice season, you can use three poles and . . . ? ? ?

Interesting topic for sure.

Also, I do run a trot line at times here in Indiana during the softwater season. One way to catch catfish but mainly for turtles. I do run them as the law states and I do not leave them in the water when not in use. (I really  cannot afford to do that!) I now use Kahle Hooks and have found that these tend to hook in the jaw better and allows for release of fish not intended to be kept.

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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #12 on: Dec 20, 2013, 12:44 PM »
WARNING: If its illegal to run a trot line thru the ice, don't blame me when getting arrested. If its legal remember it has to be taged with name and full address.

Here's my input on Ice trot line fishing. I would never try it but this may work. it would be a 2 man setup wouldn't hurt to have a 3rd.

If you can understand my drawing here's how it may work. First u would need something light, maybe PCV pipe, about 10ft long with a 90 angle and maybe 2-3ft handle after the 90 bend. It should float so it wouldn't sink after its down the hole making it easier to snag the line w/hook. If the ice was thick it may be hard to get the elbow down the hole so the hole may need to be 10-12". Put a non abrasive hook on the end.

Then after you have the long end down the hole you try to snag the line in the 1st hole(1st man holding line). When snaged 2nd man pulls the L shaped piece out the 2nd hole. 3rd man Grabs the line comeing out of 2nd hole then go to the 3rd hole and repet. After you get as many holes as you want go back to the holes and tie on the line w/baited hook. Then set back and take a break.

Seems allot of trouble to me but may work.



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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #13 on: Dec 20, 2013, 12:52 PM »
Here is another one for the IDNR t answer: Can you use "Set Lines" during the winter while ice is on a lake?

I do believe there is precedent: During the softwater season, you can use three poles, a trot line and a number of limb lines all at the same time. During the ice season, you can use three poles and . . . ? ? ?

Interesting topic for sure.

Also, I do run a trot line at times here in Indiana during the softwater season. One way to catch catfish but mainly for turtles. I do run them as the law states and I do not leave them in the water when not in use. (I really  cannot afford to do that!) I now use Kahle Hooks and have found that these tend to hook in the jaw better and allows for release of fish not intended to be kept.

Modified circle hooks are actually even better than Kahle hooks. Both for hooking percentage and for hooking in the corner of the mouth... been scientific studies on it and everything, both trotlines and juglines



Back to the topic at hand, I do not believe you could use a trotline under ice as it explicitly states in the Ice Fishing subsection that you may not have more than 2 (or perhaps 3 with the new clarifications) hooks per line.

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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #14 on: Dec 20, 2013, 01:20 PM »
Back to the topic at hand, I do not believe you could use a trotline under ice as it explicitly states in the Ice Fishing subsection that you may not have more than 2 (or perhaps 3 with the new clarifications) hooks per line.

It also says the same thing in fishing regs for hand or pole fishing(wet water fishing). So for running a trot line under the ice I would be inclined to say that would fall in the Trot line regulations. In the winter when there is no ice on rivers, what regs apply? It will be an interesting question to ask the DNR.

http://www.eregulations.com/indiana/fishing/fishing-information/
Hooks for Hand or Pole Fishing
You may not fish with more than three poles or hand lines at any one time. Each line may have no more than two single or multi-barbed hooks, two artificial baits or two harnesses for live bait.



Trot lines no matter if ice or no ice I would think go by Trot line regs. Below is mentioned in the link above

Trot Lines
A trot line (also called a set line or throw line) is a fishing line with smaller lines attached to it extending out into the water from a fixed point, such as a boat dock or tree. You may fish with no more than one trot line at any one time. The trot line must have no more than 50 single- or multi-barbed hooks. Each drop line on a trot line may have only one hook. Trot lines must bear a readable tag clearly showing the name and address of the user, and be checked at least once every 24 hours. It is illegal to use a trot line in Lake Michigan or within 300 yards of any partial or full dam structure on any stream, river, ditch, canal or reservoir.


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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #15 on: Dec 20, 2013, 01:28 PM »
50, minnow baited hooks in 40 f.o.w. laying on the bottom on a perch flat could produce a bucket of green gold...just sayin'
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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #16 on: Dec 20, 2013, 02:04 PM »
My take is that regardless of method if you're fishing thru ice, you're ice fishing. So that section on ice fishing would trump the ability to use a trotline

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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #17 on: Dec 20, 2013, 02:11 PM »
in minnesotta the indiana set nets out for tulibee through the ice. they drill a hole on an angle to start setting the net, they use long push poles that attach to each other to keep pushing the net until its desired location/position. then drill a hole on the other end at an angle to set the other side. they 'molly-whop' all other species of fish while doing this. have seen piles and piles of walleye, pike, musky, perch just thrown to the side.wardens have been called, photos taken and the whole nine yards. nothing can be done cause the indians are on their own reservation grounds. but that is how they set the nets to begin with for tulibee.
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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #18 on: Dec 20, 2013, 02:11 PM »
Trot lines tend to deplete fish stocks rather quickly and they are dangerous to the fisherman. Experienced trot line fisherman always carry a razor sharp knife while hauling in the lines because if they end up with a big fish on the line or multiple heavy fish, there is always a chance that the fish can pull the fisherman into the water and drown him. Don't assume that fish on a trot line are tired out or dead; they may be just loitering in the water with a hook in their mouth. So when you haul in the line, there is a chance that they are strong and well rested, you could be in real trouble because when they start taking line from you, you can get hooked and/or entangled and dragged into the water.

Saw a reenactment of this sort of accident on river monsters (Congo). Jeremy Wade was holding up a 20 lb catfish and explaining how a fish of that size could easily drown a person hooked and entangled on a trotline.

Now I can see where guys can argue with me saying: "Well I would wear a float suit and I would only target small fish...."

If the danger of this fishing method doesn't deter you then the technical issues should...

Just setting and hauling the lines can be problematic. Lines freeze and get tangled. Ice conditions can change suddenly. The line fails because it get cut up on the sharp ice.

I just don't recommend trot lines as a means of "sport fishing".

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Re: trot line under the ice?
« Reply #19 on: Dec 20, 2013, 04:54 PM »
Oh man could you imagine cutting a hole someone's line below gets caught in the blades wraps up hooks sticking all over the place. I wouldn't be a happy camper for sure!

 

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