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Author Topic: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?  (Read 5647 times)

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Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« on: Oct 10, 2010, 03:20 PM »
do any of you guys use charcoal as your heat instead of wood?

go idea or not?

I have a small wood burner and my shack is only 4'x7'. (insulated too)

how long does charcoal burn?

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #1 on: Oct 10, 2010, 07:24 PM »
It burns a long time (many hours), but I would think charcoal would get expensive. Do you not have a source of hardwood?

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #2 on: Oct 13, 2010, 05:56 PM »
I'm told that a wood burning stove doesn't like to burn charcoal. the heat that comes off of charcoal is a lot hotter and at some point will burn a hole in your wood stove. unless it's a cast iron model, they are a lot differant then the thin gauge steel one that i have. I've also run some charcoal in mine, yes it may be some what more money but when you walk, a day of heat in a bag is a lot lighter then wood. I'll pay a very little bit more for the ease of it.

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #3 on: Oct 14, 2010, 07:28 AM »
I've heard that same thing, not to burn charcoal in a wood stove.  I don't know why however. 

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #4 on: Oct 14, 2010, 08:11 AM »
I would not suggest using charcoal in a confined space.

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) warns consumers - including hunters and campers - never to burn charcoal inside homes, vehicles, or tents. Burning charcoal produces carbon monoxide. Carbon monoxide has no odor, cannot be seen, and can kill you. Consumers may not realize that burning charcoal produces carbon monoxide and that it will build up to a dangerous level. Opening a window or using a fan will not assure that carbon monoxide will be reduced to safe levels.

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #5 on: Oct 14, 2010, 08:28 AM »
if you burn anything in a shack have a co detector and smoke detector (the latter esp if over night)
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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #6 on: Oct 14, 2010, 09:34 AM »
I would not suggest using charcoal in a confined space.

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) warns consumers - including hunters and campers - never to burn charcoal inside homes, vehicles, or tents. Burning charcoal produces carbon monoxide. Carbon monoxide has no odor, cannot be seen, and can kill you. Consumers may not realize that burning charcoal produces carbon monoxide and that it will build up to a dangerous level. Opening a window or using a fan will not assure that carbon monoxide will be reduced to safe levels.


Burning wood gives off carbon monoxide!!

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #7 on: Oct 14, 2010, 02:11 PM »
I think that a slow burning charcoal will produce more carbon monoxied vs an open flame combustion.

Had some relatives who decided to use the charcoal grill to heat their house one day...All of them had serious headaches within the hour.

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #8 on: Oct 14, 2010, 06:57 PM »

Had some relatives who decided to use the charcoal grill to heat their house one day...All of them had serious headaches within the hour.
I don't think I'd ever admit to having relatives like that..

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #9 on: Oct 14, 2010, 07:57 PM »
Extended relatives....don't personally know them.  ;D

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #10 on: Oct 15, 2010, 05:44 AM »
Recently saw a pretty nice looking portable pellet stove, but they wanted around $1100 for it  :%$#!:

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #11 on: Oct 15, 2010, 06:45 AM »
I saw a basket you could put in a woodstove to burn pellets
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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #12 on: Oct 15, 2010, 07:21 AM »
Burning wood gives off carbon monoxide!!
Isn't charcoal "wood" in a different form ???
I think body heat is the answer to staying warm in a shanty.  ;D

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #13 on: Oct 15, 2010, 08:15 AM »
I would think that a few pieces of charcoal tossed in with the wood would add some 'staying power' to a wood fire. However, I wouldn't burn 'just' charcoal in a woodstove - it burns hot enough it could melt thinner steel. My stove is actually made from an old pressure tank, so I suspect it wouldn't last long with charcoal.

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #14 on: Oct 15, 2010, 08:37 AM »
Someone correct my chemistry if you see a flaw:

Charcoal is wood burned in an anaerobic environment, leaving it carbon rich, therefore can produce a greater concentration of CO (what with all that available O2) per volume than wood.

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #15 on: Oct 15, 2010, 09:01 AM »
CO forms when there isn't enough oxygen for full combustion.
With PROPER ventilation you should not have a problem. The exhaust AND AIR INTAKE should go outside your shack. If you don't have an exterior air intake, then definitely keep a window or a door open in your shack.
And it would be foolish to not have a CO detector. You can get battery powered ones.

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #16 on: Oct 15, 2010, 12:48 PM »
I must chime in here.

First, unless you are burning a clean fuel why use a co2 detector.  I have never heard of anyone dying from co2 when using a wood appliance such as a wood stove.  First off the appliance is vented outside and second, where there is c02 there will be smoke and you'll smell the smoke.  Every house that has a natural gas appliance should have a co2 detector because the bi-product of burned natural gas is pretty much just co2 and water.  When I use a Big Buddy propane heater in my ice shanty then I am cautious of co2.  Just a few hours in the shack and my eyes start to burn,  and that is with ventilation.  As well, the insides of the shack ice up from the humidity from the burned propane. That is probably why I prefer a wood stove.

As for charcoal, not sure.  I way give it a whirl. Foundries seemed to prefer charcoal over wood due to the hotter burn of charcoal, at least that is what I have read. I remember my dad using briquettes for the bar-b-q and after the food was cooked he'd extinguish the briquettes by briefly dipping them in water.  The briguettes then would be put back in the bar-b-q for the next time.

I am partial to wood fires because that is what I am used to... don't want to get out of my comfort zone!  My wood source is free and I know when to feed a fire and how much. Its like having a thermostat on the shanty wall.

If you try the charcoal please let us know how you make out.  I wouldn't think a day of burning charcoal in your wood stove would wreck it but you could always lay an extra sheet of metal under the charcoal.

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #17 on: Oct 15, 2010, 02:05 PM »
I must chime in here.

First, unless you are burning a clean fuel why use a co2 detector.  I have never heard of anyone dying from co2 when using a wood appliance such as a wood stove.  First off the appliance is vented outside and second, where there is c02 there will be smoke and you'll smell the smoke.  Regards,
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Happens more than you know  and it is CO   carbon monoxide   not carbon dioxide  CO2  both are products of combustion    everyone should have one   esp if you nap or sleep out on the ice
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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #18 on: Oct 15, 2010, 03:06 PM »
Yup, cancel that 2 on the co2.  You are right, carbon MONOXIDE can kill and does kill  people.  Having one in the ice shanty wouldn't hurt and this topic alone could have its own thread.  I wouldn't count on a home co detector working in the varying climate of a ice shanty.  I'd have to invest in a pocket version if I was to have any faith in it.  I've read the instructions on my home unit and at least mine is  built only for home use.  And with a wood stove I'd be better off with a smoke detector.  Its doubtful someone is going to die from co coming from a inefficient homemade welded fire box, its going to be the smoke that gets you.  But then, is that smoke detector rated for an ice shanty?

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Re: Using Charcoal in wood burner as a heat source?
« Reply #19 on: Oct 15, 2010, 03:15 PM »
CO is dangerous that long term exposure to it even with plenty of oxygen will disorient you and then possible kill you.  CO bonds to the hemoglobin in your bloodstream and prevents the oxygen molecule to bond in hemoglobin.  Your body slowly becomes starved for oxygen.  CO will stay in your system for several hours and usually takes about 24 hours to breakdown from the hemoglobin bond.

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