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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #20 on: Nov 24, 2010, 01:02 PM »
I can't seem to find it anywhere on MN DNR website or the regulations book..Is this hook set rod method legal or illegal in MN?

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #21 on: Nov 24, 2010, 01:07 PM »
I can't seem to find it anywhere on MN DNR website or the regulations book..Is this hook set rod method legal or illegal in MN?
Go to the "Slammer" website,-->http://www.slammertipup.com/faq.html 
Scroll down and read the red print-you can use one, but only in freespool! Defeats the purpose , turning it into a rod-holder

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #22 on: Nov 24, 2010, 01:37 PM »
Huh! Didn't know that. Thanks for the info. Now..I'm trying to understand this clearly, as this stated on the slammer website..

"Q: Are Slammer Tip-Ups legal to use in the state of Minnesota??

A: Yes!! You must leave your bail open and/or line spool in freespool mode. You can not use your Slammer Tip-Up in the conventional way according to the "directors" of the Minnesota DNR.

We have yet to hear of ANYONE IN MINNESOTA receiving a ticket or going to court over the use of a Slammer Tip-Up. We have heard that Conservation Officers are telling people that they can't use them.

The State of Minnesota has a rule that makes "spring devices that impale, hook, or capture fish" illegal to use for fishing and has classified the fishing rod held under compression and used in conjuction with a Slammer Tip-Up - a spring. Wouldn't this make downriggers and possibly ALL FISHING POLES illegal to use also?

97C.325 RESTRICTIONS ON TAKING FISH.(a) Except as specifically authorized, a person may not take fish with:(4) spring devices that impale, hook, or capture fish.

(c) The commissioner may, by rule, allow the use of a nonmotorized device with a recoil mechanism to take fish through the ice.

Unfortunately, there is no "commissioner" anymore and there is instead a group of "directors"."


What you mean by "freespool mode" that would mean leaving the flywheel flip over open, free of line..right?

Oh boy..this like a very fine line here..It's like I need to print out this info and keep it with me in case a conservation officer show up, and I'd show him the note.

I'm a bit "lazy" to built my own hook set platform..I'm interested in this Automatic Fisherman type..http://www.automaticicefisherman.com/ (ftp://http://www.automaticicefisherman.com/) Would this be legal if I leave the flipover open on the flywheel making it "freespool mode" making it a tip up type or a rod-holder?

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #23 on: Jan 13, 2011, 05:27 PM »
Here is what I made, I call it the "Awe Toe Set".  Used it for the first time today, caught an 18" Rainbow.  :icefish:







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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #24 on: Jan 08, 2012, 09:31 PM »
Here is what I made, I call it the "Awe Toe Set".  Used it for the first time today, caught an 18" Rainbow.  :icefish:







I see the Awe Toe Set is for sale on eBay?

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #25 on: Jan 09, 2012, 03:13 PM »
this is the one i recently built...






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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #26 on: Jan 10, 2012, 01:43 PM »
If some of you guys wanted to cut down on the weight of your contraptions... just take a trigger mechanism(bent wire) like Awe Toe Set's,  tie a shoe lace or any piece of string to where the split ring is connected and tie it back to your rod holder. I use the little spring clamp things that are used on hood strings and what not so I can adjust the length of the string to fit any length of rod or to adjust the hook set power. 

With this set-up all you need is a rod holder, string, and trigger which weighs less and packs up nicer.

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #27 on: Jan 10, 2012, 05:38 PM »
Got a picture?
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Not enough ice or time... not necessarily in that order.

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #28 on: Jan 10, 2012, 06:39 PM »
This may not be the best design, but it does involve bending wire, so, it's not all bad.     :woot: :roflmao:

Questions?
Coat-hanger wire is just one way to bend up the trigger. Start with the 90 degree bend for the trigger and leave no tool-mark, as that must be smooth.



That thing hanging on the line is an 8" piece of bright colored trail flagging ~ much eaiser to work with than a float, as some folks use. It lets the fish run a little before the surprising hook-set.

Put the ice screw in first to anchor the base, then stretch out the string and trigger and mark the ice for the center of the ice hole at the "V"notch in the trigger.

Open the bail, put the hook/lure/bait a few feet down the ice hole. Then bend the pole and set the trigger. Always stay to one side while you carefully adjust the depth of bait.
Special note: That wire attached to the top guide frame is plastic coated and the square knot pulled tight, is away from the line. A loop of STRONG string will do just as well.


Most importantly, check your regulations.
      

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #29 on: Jan 11, 2012, 10:37 AM »
wow idaho that looks way more convenient then having the pieces of wood. could you get a picture of your set up with rod and reel? which style rod holder do you use?

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #30 on: Jan 11, 2012, 11:10 AM »
The rod holder is a piece of 1 1/4" pvc pipe attached to a 16" 1x4 that gets anchored to the ice, behind the pvc, with a screw-anchor. A screw-eye towards the front end gets the string loop.
This is just the "working model". A coiled wire rod holder is much easier to stick in one of various angled holes in the base for different pole angles.

  See above post for modifications and additions.

Questions?
      

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #31 on: Jan 11, 2012, 05:52 PM »
thanks for the pics guys i just finished building 3 today. total cost for all 3 ways 2.50! i had to buy 6 inch eye bolts with nuts and 3 additional nuts. the rest of the materials i had laying around. tested them out with numerous rods and all seemed to work fairly well. they are not hair trigger by any means but think they will get the job done. only time will tell.

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #32 on: Jan 11, 2012, 06:21 PM »
Boder, if you'll set the pole,(carefully) and look from the side, at the trigger, whatever kind you've gone with, and note which direction to move/bend for easier release, by going slowly, you should be able fine tune, for a lighter set-off.
      

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #33 on: Jan 11, 2012, 07:04 PM »
The rod holder is a piece of 1 1/4" pvc pipe attached to a 16" 1x4 that gets anchored to the ice, behind the pvc, with a screw-anchor. A screw-eye towards the front end gets the string loop.
This is just the "working model". A coiled wire rod holder is much easier to stick in one of various angled holes in the base for different pole angles.

  See above post for modifications and additions.

Questions?

I was thinking of something similar.  I was planning on PVC all the way around.  If it was up to me, I'd put the anchor in the front, and use it to attach the trigger.  I was also wondering if you get good hook sets?  Seems to me with the set up you're showing that the rod is bent way back behind the trigger.  Lots of movement before the slack is taken up.  If the trigger was straight below the rod tip it would have less slack.

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #34 on: Jan 11, 2012, 07:44 PM »
This is a copy cat model i made and it sure does work.


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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #35 on: Jan 11, 2012, 08:30 PM »
I was thinking of something similar.  I was planning on PVC all the way around.  If it was up to me, I'd put the anchor in the front, and use it to attach the trigger.  I was also wondering if you get good hook sets?  Seems to me with the set up you're showing that the rod is bent way back behind the trigger.  Lots of movement before the slack is taken up.  If the trigger was straight below the rod tip it would have less slack.

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I've found the fish is going away, has already traveled a few feet, has the hook/lure/bait well engaged, has tasted it, is hanging on well and the trillionth of a second, if any, lag time to be negligible. Sharp or dull hooks are BURIED beyond the barb.
If you just think of the leverage and stability of the rear placement of the screw anchor, you'll come to understand it's advantage there. As far as negating the screw-eye, they're very inexpensive and it does the job.
I used and changed these for some time now, they don't miss( unless loose or hanging bait). It's just an idea that works well for me. Change it as you would like, even though the planning and refinement has taken a while.

On a side note, only one trout was not hooked in the mouth ~ it was hooked cross-ways through the nose about 1/4" up it's head, past the barb. The quick firing of this rig is almost impossible to dodge.
      

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #36 on: Jan 11, 2012, 08:42 PM »
I would challenge the ruling, I do not see any springs on the devices.  Ask this "if during open water I am using a rig from the shore with a sinker above the hook and the sinker lodged on the bottom is holding tension on the rod and a fish takes the bait, unlodges the sinker and the rod springs back, is this also against the law?"  Looks like the same thing to me.  Lots of luck guys.
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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #37 on: Jan 11, 2012, 09:04 PM »
It's just a tip-up.    ;)2
      

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #38 on: Jan 12, 2012, 08:44 AM »
they are not hair trigger by any means but think they will get the job done. only time will tell.

The longer the trigger the lighter the pull, i found this when making mine, i actually have 3 different triggers that i carry out with me, they swap out pretty easy too.  though even with the shortest trigger i've never missed a bite.

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Re: Hook Setting Rod Holders
« Reply #39 on: Jan 13, 2012, 08:39 PM »
This is what I'm gonna try when we get some Ice.

            

 

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