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Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« on: Jan 04, 2010, 01:19 AM »
Hey guys I have been reading some posts on oil/fuel ratio's.  I have some questions for you all.  I have a Strike Master Lazer Mag that calls for a 40:1 ratio in the owners manual.  I have read some guys are using synthetics and having good luck (less smoke/running better).  Is the oil/fuel ratio different with the syn oil or would I still mix it 40:1?  Live in a smaller town have a NAPA and O'Riley's do you think they would carry the syn oil or do I need to order it online (kind of a pain if I do might just stay with the standard then).

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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #1 on: Jan 04, 2010, 01:27 AM »
Do a search "synthetic oil" there are numerous posts on this subject

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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #2 on: Jan 04, 2010, 02:24 AM »
The word is that you can run Amsoil Saber at any ratio up to 100:1 in any 2 stroke.
I'm still a little nervous about that, but there are people who say they have been doing it for years.

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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #3 on: Jan 04, 2010, 03:40 AM »
Wow 100:1 huh?  Seems a little risky to me.  What do you think would be average 60 or 70 to 1?

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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #4 on: Jan 04, 2010, 03:44 AM »
I have been running Amsoil Saber Pro at 100:1 in my auger, chainsaw, brushsaw, and I run Amsoil Saber Outboard in my Johnson motor at 100:1, with no adverse affects. I trust Amsoil and what they say. I see this same topics on here all the time. Call Amsoil and ask one of their techs. I'll stop using it the way they prescribe when I launch a motor.

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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #5 on: Jan 04, 2010, 03:58 AM »
Timber where do you find it?  Have a Farm and Home, NAPA, and O'Rileys here in town.  Any of them stock it? 

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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #6 on: Jan 04, 2010, 04:45 AM »
I ordered mine from the amsoil web site.  Give those guys a call or e-mail them, they are nice people.  From reading the older posts, I switched to amsoil for this year and have it at 75:1 ratio.  Testing it in the fall, it ran very well with a lot less smoke.  I haven't been out fishing yet this year but if I have problems with it I will post it.
      

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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #7 on: Jan 04, 2010, 05:05 AM »
Timber where do you find it?  Have a Farm and Home, NAPA, and O'Rileys here in town.  Any of them stock it? 
I stock it my own bait shop...I don't know of any place that might stock it in your area. I don't think any of the chain stores have it. You might want to call the small engine places in your area, they will probably know or the dirtbike/atv shops.

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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #8 on: Jan 04, 2010, 05:47 AM »
I just bought a lazer mag express with the new solo engine and the instruction manual specifically says not to use synthetic oil?

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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #9 on: Jan 04, 2010, 05:59 AM »
I just bought a lazer mag express with the new solo engine and the instruction manual specifically says not to use synthetic oil?
There is a topic somewhere on that.... I think you will find that they have printed a new bulletin that states you can use synthetic, after you break it in. If it were me I would break it in like the manual says then switch to synthetic. Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #10 on: Jan 04, 2010, 06:45 AM »
The definitive word from SM is that any good quality synthetic oil can be used, but not mixed at ratios greater than 50:1.

This appears on SM's website in the FAQ section.

Q: CAN I USE SYNTHETIC OILS IN MY SOLO AUGER?
A: Quality two cycle oils (Regular or Synthetic) are approved for use in the Solo engine.
Mixture ratio MUST NOT exceed 50:1
Mixture ratios over 50:1 will VOID all warranties.
 
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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #11 on: Jan 04, 2010, 07:35 AM »
All of the motors have cylinder bores and rings that require non synthetic oils to break in and seat properly. Most will be OK after they have some hours (whole season) on them. Run it the first season with the factory oil at the factory reccomended ratio. Why would you worry about ratios at less than the manufacture suggests? Oil is cheap. But use the best oil. Pennzoil blend is a great oil after you have some hours at the reccomended ratio. If the smoke is an issue get a 4 stroke or electric. Your 2 stroke needs the oil.
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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #12 on: Jan 04, 2010, 08:13 AM »
All of the motors have cylinder bores and rings that require non synthetic oils to break in and seat properly. Most will be OK after they have some hours (whole season) on them. Run it the first season with the factory oil at the factory reccomended ratio. Why would you worry about ratios at less than the manufacture suggests? Oil is cheap. But use the best oil. Pennzoil blend is a great oil after you have some hours at the reccomended ratio. If the smoke is an issue get a 4 stroke or electric. Your 2 stroke needs the oil.
I just bought a new Stihl product and asked about using synthetic oil in it. The guy told me that Stihl recommends synthetic oil mixed 50:1 from the first time it gets started and gave me a bottle of Stihl synthetic to mix with my first gallon of gas. They will break in with synthetic oil, but it takes longer and I have the time. All my other two strokes run on Amsoil Saber Professional mixed 80:1 and my new Stihl will be next year.
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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #13 on: Jan 04, 2010, 08:23 AM »
One word of caution.....Once you use sythetic stay with it. Synthetic oil actualy builds up a film on bearings/linings this is a good thing. THE BAD....regular oil does not penetrate this film and therefore will not be able to lubricate properly. FRICTION = FAILURE. 50/50 chance if you switch back. Your money! Just a word of caution. :whistle:
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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #14 on: Jan 04, 2010, 08:31 AM »
I guess I would be hard pressed to come up with a reason to switch back to dino oil other than liking blue smoke. Of course in some areas synthetic may be hard to come by, but it can be bought online and shipped.
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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #15 on: Jan 04, 2010, 08:40 AM »
Will you back that up with some reputable data? I've been around 2 strokes all my life and that's the first time I've seen this claim and I think it's pure B.S.


One word of caution.....Once you use sythetic stay with it. Synthetic oil actualy builds up a film on bearings/linings this is a good thing. THE BAD....regular oil does not penetrate this film and therefore will not be able to lubricate properly. FRICTION = FAILURE. 50/50 chance if you switch back. Your money! Just a word of caution. :whistle:
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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #16 on: Jan 04, 2010, 08:53 AM »
hey 63110 if you have a napa try asking them to order royal purple 2 stroke oil. I've been using for the past two years and never had a problem. Auger starts on the coldest of days.
  

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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #17 on: Jan 04, 2010, 08:59 AM »
I just bought a lazer mag express with the new solo engine and the instruction manual specifically says not to use synthetic oil?

I also bought a SM with the Solo motor and emailed Strikemaster about using synthetic oil and they said you can use it just no leaner than 50:1   They said the manual was printed before they had time to do proper testing with synthetics.  They also said no break in period with regular oil is needed so I went with synthetic right away. 

I never heard of synthetic oil putting a coating on metal that regular oil cannot penetrate.  If so there would be a lot of cars/trucks with blown motors.

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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #18 on: Jan 04, 2010, 09:22 AM »
Will you back that up with some reputable data? I've been around 2 strokes all my life and that's the first time I've seen this claim and I think it's pure B.S.


Check several oil sites for properties/physics of synthetic oil. That should give some insite as to how it works. It's a good thing by far. Just a word of caution that was all. Yes oil will penetrate, but not always enough. BINGO! Have motors in junk pile that's why I posted. Money tight for some. Here synthetic $8 + a qt. versus reg. oil $2 and change qt. We consume  quite a bit here. and after problems looked into it hard. It would take alot of running in a small engine (probably) to do damage. But some one may apply this info to vehicles also. And any damage then is expensive. (Just a chance) 40 plus years at engines myself and still learning.              :) Smoke = rich mix/bad rings.
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Re: Standard 2 stroke oil vs synthetic oil ratios
« Reply #19 on: Jan 04, 2010, 09:34 AM »
You're backpeddeling now. You are not spreading a word of cauton, it's a word of panic. What I asked was show the world something published that backs up what you say. I have NEVER read anything that says not to back to standard oil after using synthetic. How does the next guy know if you have ran synthetic in your snowmobile, outboard, auger, chainsaw or whatever when it gets traded in or sold? Why does synthetic blend oil work?


Check several oil sites for properties/physics of synthetic oil. That should give some insite as to how it works. It's a good thing by far. Just a word of caution that was all. Yes oil will penetrate, but not always enough. BINGO! Have motors in junk pile that's why I posted. Money tight for some. Here synthetic $8 + a qt. versus reg. oil $2 and change qt. We consume  quite a bit here. and after problems looked into it hard. It would take alot of running in a small engine (probably) to do damage. But some one may apply this info to vehicles also. And any damage then is expensive. (Just a chance) 40 plus years at engines myself and still learning.              :) Smoke = rich mix/bad rings.
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